Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I ask this after seeing the following 3 links in order from top to bottom:

Link#1

Link#2

Link#3

 

 

I was pretty shocked when I saw these :(. Trolls & Fanbois aside (god, I HATE those terms) I think this speaks at least SOME amount of volume towards what Bioware has become ever since EA aquired them. I had people telling me "Well anyone and their brother can write a review & vote on metacritic" which is true. However, when the first two have an average score of around 8.5, and the last one is 3.3 last I checked I think that speaks of a different picture.

 

OR,

 

The exact opposite happened, and people just like hating on the so called "Pinnacle" of a game's franchise.

 

Which do you think happened? Do you think Bioware has completely lost touch with how to make a proper game, or is it simply people overreacting to a "Dramatic" ending to one of the most popular franchises to be created in the past 10years?

 

:o

  Do some research into EA's history once the founder retired and you'll see that EA has a history of doing just that. They fall under all sorts of criticsm for their activies. And yes I do think that Bioware being bought by EA was the worst thing that could have happened to Bioware. As a dozen other studios how their buy outs went. ;>

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by ste2000

Answer: Yes

Just look at the long list of EA casualties:

- Origin System (Ultima and UO)

- Westwood Studios (Command and Conquer)

- Bullfrog (Magic Carpet and Dungeon Keeper)

- Mythic (DAOC and WAR)

- Maxis (Sim City)

Great Studios killed by EA marketing machine, and now it's Bioware turn

/sadface

I had some good times playing Origin and Bullfrog games. Populous anyone?!

  Loved Populous and Dungeon Keeper. :)

They sold there soul to EA and now they are just cash machine.It happens when corporation suits takes over.

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If you look at GTA scores only without RDR though, it fits more into the ME category.

I really think about 75-90 percent of the negative scores stem almost entirely from the big commotion over the at-release DLC.

BioWare isn't BioWare anymore. It's EA/Bioware.

The taste changed, and if you want to call that taste soulless I'd not really argue.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Ea destroy every developer they get their gruby hands on

Origin
Maxis
Bullfrog
Westwood
Mythic
Bioware?

Quoted for truth. EA are a soul destroying great SATAN these days. Back in the early 90s is when they were good, now they just ruin devs who made fantastic games.

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
Ea destroy every developer they get their gruby hands on
Origin
Maxis
Bullfrog
Westwood
Mythic
Bioware?

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God this list was a blast from the past.

There is no surprise here , many of us saw this coming a long time a go and tried to warn Bioware fans of EAs influence, but they scoffed , and claimed we didnt know what we were talking about...

Originally posted by Sorrow

If it is still up go to the EA investor site and listen to the November investor call.

They flat out say they aquired Bioware for its name and that they intend to use it for its reputation only outsourcing the actual development to cut costs.

Can haz source?

Couldn't find it on their investor site :(!

While it is not uncommon for developers to change companies, Bioware has recently lost quite a few senior developers that used to work for the company over the past 10 years or more. 

Yea dude they did. Just look at dragon age 2 and compare it to some older bioware games like baldurs gate or even KOTOR ...

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Sorrow

If it is still up go to the EA investor site and listen to the November investor call.

They flat out say they aquired Bioware for its name and that they intend to use it for its reputation only outsourcing the actual development to cut costs.

Can haz source?

 

Couldn't find it on their investor site :(!

Yea sorry just looked they already have 2012 third quarter call up now. The one that made me gag was 2011 fourth quarter

Lol ah these thread titles, getting more imaginative by the hour.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

I really think about 75-90 percent of the negative scores stem almost entirely from the big commotion over the at-release DLC.

The day one DL is a big factor, I am more pissed that the DL content affects the main story line.  If they wanted to have side things I probably could have dealt with it, but this shows no respect for the storyline which is what many of the ME fans loved about this game.  What this game felt like was just a pure money grab by EA/Bioware .

The DL content aside the lack of detail put into this game from the running animations to no holstering is really unacceptable.  Then we have story aspects taken right out of Dues Ex, bad dialog that does not fit in the story like suddenly I hard core soldier should care about some kid getting killed, after 2 games of watching men, woman and children get slaughtered, the nonsense story lines like I am going to kill this guy, to prevent the other guy from killing him first....I can go on and talk about the horrible endings but I do not want spoil it for those that have not finished.  They should get the full let down....

And do not get me started on the wide ranging Orgin spyware you have to install on your computer....

Bioware is gone.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

I really think about 75-90 percent of the negative scores stem almost entirely from the big commotion over the at-release DLC.

Well of course thing like that IS and WILL affect score greatly.

After all people judge a PRODUCT not only gameplay.

Price and business model affect product rating in consumer eyes.

That is old as a world and nothing new.

Yes.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

I really think about 75-90 percent of the negative scores stem almost entirely from the big commotion over the at-release DLC.

 

You would be wrong to think that. I could point you to a 600 page thread, one of several though easily the largest, on the Bioware official forums of people complaining about the ending. The majority of them not only don't give a crap about day 1 DLC, it's at their own suggestion that Bioware offer more DLC just for a happy ending. They're that fanatical. No one cares about the DLC anymore, that's old news. People are pissed that the story itself hocked a big, thick, blood-tinged loogey in the eyes of people who were fans of the ME universe.

The only reviews that matter are sites like IGN/Gamespot anyways when it comes to sales. No one with any sense takes user reviews with a grain of salt. Sure, some of the popular sites have bias or agendas, but user reviews almost always do. 

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by SuperXero89

I really think about 75-90 percent of the negative scores stem almost entirely from the big commotion over the at-release DLC.

Well of course thing like that IS and WILL affect score greatly.

After all people judge a PRODUCT not only gameplay.

Price and business model affect product rating in consumer eyes.

That is old as a world and nothing new.

Not to mention that:

a) The at-release DLC isn't the only thing wrong w/ the game. There are quite a few examples floating around of parts of the game that are either rushed, made poorly, or are poorly written (in regards to plot lines).

b) Hyper-monotization, as well as having at-launch DLC that is part of the central plot IS a pretty big deal. Why? Because it means that they took development resources away from the actual game to develope something that they will charge extra for, WHILE charging the standard price for the box. This is a fairly blatant move to cut costs and maximize profits, at the expense of game quality.