Originally posted by noncley

I'm sorry btu I still can't get over the fact that in March - today - they announced they have 1.7 m subscribers.

But in Janurary, Eric Brown their CFO also said they have 1.7 m subscrbers.

So, in two months, they have lost precisely 0 subscribers?

More importantly, they managed an 85% conversion rate from purchasers to paying subscribers. I mean that's unheard of. Even Blizzard didn't manage to achieve that when it released Cataclysm - they only got 70%, and that's from an existing, already tied-in and already paying subscriber base.

Eric Brown left the company a month ago. 

 People will continue to be oblivious and fall for companys statements that twist the information...

 - I'd say this looks like around 1.2-1.3m

And these would support that sub number...

Ok, this doesn't make sense. TOR has 227 servers total. If you spread 1.7 million evenly on all those servers you get 7,488 players per server. Now since not everyone is logged on at the same time, it would be best to take a snap shot of how many are on during peak hrs. of the day. From what i've been seeing on my server, which is, Grand Master Zym, which i have 2 characters, one Empire and the other republic. On the fleets, empire has like 150 to 175 and Republic is around 120. Going from planet to planet on each character, you only have like 20 to 40 players on each of those planets and sometimes it's less. So, if you add it up, Empire during peak hrs has around, i'll take a high number, 735 players logged on. Republic has around 680 players. Now, i know i had my share of extended playing sessions, but after peak hrs. those numbers fall drastically. So either that 1.7 million is alot of people who are paying and not loggin in or someone is flat out not telling the truth.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by noncley

I'm sorry btu I still can't get over the fact that in March - today - they announced they have 1.7 m subscribers.

But in Janurary, Eric Brown their CFO also said they have 1.7 m subscrbers.

So, in two months, they have lost precisely 0 subscribers?

More importantly, they managed an 85% conversion rate from purchasers to paying subscribers. I mean that's unheard of. Even Blizzard didn't manage to achieve that when it released Cataclysm - they only got 70%, and that's from an existing, already tied-in and already paying subscriber base.

Eric Brown left the company a month ago. 

 People will continue to be oblivious and fall for companys statements that twist the information...

 

 - I'd say this looks like around 1.2-1.3m

 

And these would support that sub number...

 

Well the point is that any existing tool or website which measures SW:TOR population data shows a clear decline. Be it TORSTATUS.NET, XFIRE or MMODATA.NET. All of them shows a decline ranging from 25-50%. No way in hell have the subscriber numbers stabilised it is clearly in decline.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by William12

You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by William12

You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

 

 

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

Originally posted by Yamota

 

Well the point is that any existing tool or website which measures SW:TOR population data shows a clear decline. Be it TORSTATUS.NET, XFIRE or MMODATA.NET. All of them shows a decline ranging from 25-50%. No way in hell have the subscriber numbers stabilised it is clearly in decline.

Again, a decline in server use, particularly this close to launch, DOES NOT EQUAL a decline in subscribers.

The SWTOR hate train  cannot stand a revelation of 1.7million subs, and even more infuriating to them is their impotent trolling is doing little to abate the rise in subscription numbers.

Originally posted by Dredphyre

The SWTOR hate train  cannot stand a revelation of 1.7million subs, and even more infuriating to them is their impotent trolling is doing little to abate the rise in subscription numbers.

 We are not trolling, we are simply supplying evidence that a company like EA is perfectly capable of twisting information to portray something as good when it really isn't. 

Also many people claiming these drops in subs due to evidence provided just about everywhere are not on the SW:TOR "hate train" we are just simply trying to point out none of this adds up...

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by William12

You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

 

 

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

 

He was clearly referring to the "mountains of evidence" he could see from the 1000 you tube videos showing the dead lifeless world rather than the opinions of 1000 posters, but hey, if you want to twist his words to make a "smart" comment then carry on.

yeah you're right, it's less than 0.058% becuase not all of them would be subscribers. I didn't mention "posters", but hey if you want to twist my words to make yet another smartass remark then carry on.

Making slurs against Suzie Ford for her journalistic opinion is pretty pathetic, much like most of anti-mmo garbage posted in these forums [mod edit]

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by William12

You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

 

 

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

 

He was clearly referring to the "mountains of evidence" he could see from the 1000 you tube videos showing the dead lifeless world rather than the opinions of 1000 posters, but hey, if you want to twist his words to make a "smart" comment then carry on.

yeah you're right, it's less than 0.058% becuase not all of them would be subscribers. I didn't mention "posters", but hey if you want to twist my words to make yet another smartass remark then carry on.

 

Making slurs against Suzie Ford for her journalistic opinion is pretty pathetic, much like most of anti-mmo garbage posted in these forums[mod edit]

I have made no slur against anyone, merely put a memorable quote in my signature, please explain how quoting someone's own words from an article they have written and published be a slur?

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Dredphyre

The SWTOR hate train  cannot stand a revelation of 1.7million subs, and even more infuriating to them is their impotent trolling is doing little to abate the rise in subscription numbers.

 We are not trolling, we are simply supplying evidence that a company like EA is perfectly capable of twisting information to portray something as good when it really isn't. 

 

Also many people claiming these drops in subs due to evidence provided just about everywhere are not on the SW:TOR "hate train" we are just simply trying to point out none of this adds up...

Here's why the hate train is impotent: You all are screaming to the choir. You're on these boards, or Massively, or any other niche forum trying to convince people who already agree with you.

Meanwhile, BioWare and EA are spending marketing dollars in areas where you don't visit. I've seen ad posters at bus stops for cripes sakes, lol.  They were just on Big Bang Theory as a plot device (or so I'm told).  BioWare knows a lost cause, namely the hate train, when it sees it...and quite frankly has no interest in trying to pursuade you.  No. They're going after the wide open world of geekdom out there who cares nothing of your crusades here at MMORPG.com.

Originally posted by Dredphyre

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Dredphyre

The SWTOR hate train  cannot stand a revelation of 1.7million subs, and even more infuriating to them is their impotent trolling is doing little to abate the rise in subscription numbers.

 We are not trolling, we are simply supplying evidence that a company like EA is perfectly capable of twisting information to portray something as good when it really isn't. 

 

Also many people claiming these drops in subs due to evidence provided just about everywhere are not on the SW:TOR "hate train" we are just simply trying to point out none of this adds up...

 

Here's why the hate train is impotent: You all are screaming to the choir. You're on these boards, or Massively, or any other niche forum trying to convince people who already agree with you.

Meanwhile, BioWare and EA are spending marketing dollars in areas where you don't visit. I've seen ad posters at bus stops for cripes sakes, lol.  They were just on Big Bang Theory as a plot device (or so I'm told).  BioWare knows a lost cause, namely the hate train, when it sees it...and quite frankly has no interest in trying to pursuade you.  No. They're going after the wide open world of geekdom out there who cares nothing of your crusades here at MMORPG.com.

They could have that number of subs, even when activity seems to indicate people playing far less thatn you'd think they would when they're paying a sub. Maybe a lot of people payed up front, maybe a lot of people are hanging on for upcoming patches. If they can keep up these kinds of numbers they're bound to start turning a profit soon.

Originally posted by Dredphyre

Here's why the hate train is impotent: You all are screaming to the choir. You're on these boards, or Massively, or any other niche forum trying to convince people who already agree with you.

Meanwhile, BioWare and EA are spending marketing dollars in areas where you don't visit. I've seen ad posters at bus stops for cripes sakes, lol.  They were just on Big Bang Theory as a plot device (or so I'm told).  BioWare knows a lost cause, namely the hate train, when it sees it...and quite frankly has no interest in trying to pursuade you.  No. They're going after the wide open world of geekdom out there who cares nothing of your crusades here at MMORPG.com.

  If we are arguing with people how is it possible that we are trying to convince people who agree with us already?

And of course if something stating SW:TOR has 1.7m subs ends up on this board multiple times, in different months, we are obviously going to point out we believe it is false due to evidence we have received in the past and are currently gathering, rather than just ignoring it and letting EA continue to manipulate people.

If they initially stated they had 1.7m subs and nobody questioned it, we would not be debating it right now either. Everyone would still think it is fact, which is not something anyone wants, companies shouldn't be allowed to get away with twisting the informaiton.

Guys your getting excited over nothing!  In a few months it will be clear what the numbers really are and if that makes any difference to the game in the long run. 

Remember we who post here seem to have a different spin on what a MMO should be compared to the masses.  WoW's model seems to be what is commerically viable, most posters here seem to depise that game.  I have little piety for those who bought the game after seeing the reviews on here before release and than come post about the very same stuff that was warned.  That said I'm enjoying the game for now and will continue to play until I've done multiple characters main stories.  At this time I don't see anything high lvl that will hold my interest.  I must agree with those that think the designers made a hugh mistake using this engine which doesn't seem capable of holding a large group of peeps in a single thread.  Anyways i'm not upset about the value of what I'm paying for at this time and will quit paying when I hit that threshold.

Heres a tip for those that seem to think that the designers deliberately made the game this way to piss you off (STO, SWToR, etc), they didn't!  I'm pretty sure they never even had you in mind lol!

Originally posted by Dredphyre

 

 

Here's why the hate train is impotent: You all are screaming to the choir. You're on these boards, or Massively, or any other niche forum trying to convince people who already agree with you.

Meanwhile, BioWare and EA are spending marketing dollars in areas where you don't visit. I've seen ad posters at bus stops for cripes sakes, lol.  They were just on Big Bang Theory as a plot device (or so I'm told).  BioWare knows a lost cause, namely the hate train, when it sees it...and quite frankly has no interest in trying to pursuade you.  No. They're going after the wide open world of geekdom out there who cares nothing of your crusades here at MMORPG.com.

This is all very true.

If they feel a certain demographic is problematic they are going to ignore them and go for customers that might actually want what they are peddling.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Dredphyre

Here's why the hate train is impotent: You all are screaming to the choir. You're on these boards, or Massively, or any other niche forum trying to convince people who already agree with you.

Meanwhile, BioWare and EA are spending marketing dollars in areas where you don't visit. I've seen ad posters at bus stops for cripes sakes, lol.  They were just on Big Bang Theory as a plot device (or so I'm told).  BioWare knows a lost cause, namely the hate train, when it sees it...and quite frankly has no interest in trying to pursuade you.  No. They're going after the wide open world of geekdom out there who cares nothing of your crusades here at MMORPG.com.

  If we are arguing with people how is it possible that we are trying to convince people who agree with us already?

 

And of course if something stating SW:TOR has 1.7m subs ends up on this board multiple times, in different months, we are obviously going to point out we believe it is false due to evidence we have received in the past and are currently gathering, rather than just ignoring it and letting EA continue to manipulate people.

 

If they initially stated they had 1.7m subs and nobody questioned it, we would not be debating it right now either. Everyone would still think it is fact, which is not something anyone wants, companies shouldn't be allowed to get away with twisting the informaiton.

Apologies...my thought was incomplete regarding preaching to the choir. To clarify, you're trying to convince people who've already made up their minds...one way or the other. 

That point also stands for debating 1.7m subs. You're trying to convince who? People on here? No. You're trying to win an interweb argument...plain and simple.  Do you think Wall Street gives a flying fuck what you say on MMORPG.com? lol. They sure as hell don't.  They DO care about what advisory companies like Cowen say, however.  And if you think a company that survives by advising its investors is going to paint a rosey picture just to satisfy EA, you're woefully naive.

I'll take a Cowen estimate over some annonymous, unaccountable forum trolls who have zero skin in this game any day of the week.

Its so funny to watch these threads contradict all the trolling that goes on these forums and watch how so many who continue to be proven wrong over and over again desperately cling to generalities as if they represent everyone. First it was after the first 30 days, the game would fail. Then it was after the first sub month. Then its 3 months. Then its 6 months. Then its lets see what happens when we are all 90.

Ok folks, get a grip. Whether you like it or not, the game appeals to a certain crowd. They are not naive and its not that they didn't do their homework. Its that they just like it, just as most of the professional outlets did. They were tired of elves and gnomes and were tired of click, accept wall of text, ignore story, and grind. Get a grip and find something else to do, like a game to play that you actually enjoy. If anything there are way too many in these forums who actually didn't do their homework for something they don't like, still can't accept that people like themeparks, and continue to have ridiculous over-all judgements because of minor delayed omissions to the game that are about to be fixed or will be in the near future.

I like Skyrim better than this game, I doubt I'll be playing this as long as I initially played WOW (being that was my first MMO), and it won't stop me from playing GW2 in parallel, but its a solid polished game with tons of room for improvement, like just about every MMO before it.

Congrats Bioware on the solid numbers.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by evicton

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by William12

You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

 

 

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

 

He was clearly referring to the "mountains of evidence" he could see from the 1000 you tube videos showing the dead lifeless world rather than the opinions of 1000 posters, but hey, if you want to twist his words to make a "smart" comment then carry on.

yeah you're right, it's less than 0.058% becuase not all of them would be subscribers. I didn't mention "posters", but hey if you want to twist my words to make yet another smartass remark then carry on.

 

Making slurs against Suzie Ford for her journalistic opinion is pretty pathetic, much like most of anti-mmo garbage posted in these forums[mod edit]

 

I have made no slur against anyone, merely put a memorable quote in my signature, please explain how quoting someone's own words from an article they have written and published be a slur?

I wasn't refering to you, I was reffering to this;

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype.

I had no intention of suggesting you had done such a thing.

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You people saying CEOs lie while true THEY DO NOT LIE on offical financial reports or to investors as often as you may pretend to think.   You cannot lie about something so easy to find out the truth about.  Do CEOs misrepresent themselfs sure ?  But they do not outright lie about offical numbers.  What they do is mix that data in with other parts of the company so no one notices that is not lying or illegal,  but it would be VERY illegal for them to say we have 1.7 mil Subscribers and not actually have that number in one way or another.    What do you people not get about that ?  He is giving an exact number CEOs DO NOT do that for investors when it would be so easy to get caught.

Not to mention Bioware and this game are a fraction of EAs revenue and business interest why would a CEO risk his job and freedom over such a small part of the company ? 

No, he didn't give an exact number.  He gave an estimate.  What don't YOU not get about that?

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million, which means its under 1.7 mil and he rounded up. The only estimates from this article came from a seperate industry analyst that estimated it will reach 2 million by june 2012. No where in the ceo's statement did he mention anything about estimating.

I think some of you are having a difficult time understanding the definition of estimate lol.

Boggles the mind.

And just under your post. The guy admits he was reading the article wrong.

Boggles the mind.

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode.

 

That there is an estimate.

 

When you say:

He didn't give an estimate, he said near 1.7 million

You're saying he didn't give an estimate and then turn around and quote his estimate! 

 

Dude, it's sad, read my sig, but they have virtually 1.7m current subs at the end of feb. now how many of those will fall down at the end of march is a different estimate.

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype. I've seen mountains more evidence to the direct contradiction to her statement. I'll trust more than 1000 players all spamming youtube with how lifeless SWTOR is rather than a board admin on an MMO forum.

 

Additionally, they were correct in the fact that they "guestimated" their numbers rather than giving a definitive number on their subscribers. Additionally, they had 1.7million current subs in January. So either the numbers are going down, or they're not gaining ANY subscribers since January. So, again, SWTOR is not doing well, and will probably drop like a rock come another "Hope of the MMO genre" like GW2, TERA, etc etc.

 

I'll sit here and patiently wait for PlanetSide 2 :)!

riiight, good for you that the opinion of a whopping 0.058% of the subscriber base considering the world "lifeless" is proof enough.

 

 

So conversly that would make oooohhh I dunno, Auto Assault the best MMORPG ever produced because I'm sure we could find 0.058% of that games subscribers to agree.

 

He was clearly referring to the "mountains of evidence" he could see from the 1000 you tube videos showing the dead lifeless world rather than the opinions of 1000 posters, but hey, if you want to twist his words to make a "smart" comment then carry on.

yeah you're right, it's less than 0.058% becuase not all of them would be subscribers. I didn't mention "posters", but hey if you want to twist my words to make yet another smartass remark then carry on.

 

Making slurs against Suzie Ford for her journalistic opinion is pretty pathetic, much like most of anti-mmo garbage posted in these forums[mod edit]

 

I have made no slur against anyone, merely put a memorable quote in my signature, please explain how quoting someone's own words from an article they have written and published be a slur?

I wasn't refering to you, I was reffering to this;

Indeed, it is sad when Suzie Ford of MMORPG.com is either paid to give a positive opinion of SWTOR, or buys into the hype.

I had no intention of suggesting you had done such a thing.