Ill agree to the game being a second game but not because of your reasoning. the only thing i see that makes it a second game is because of its Buy To Play model. The game actually looks reletively good from my perspective. Don't clump me in with the fans either i have no interest in this game. your just talking out of your ass OP.

it'll be the "second game" like the Wii is the "second console", meaning the game will outsell everything except WoW(once again) and be the "only game" to the majority of its player base.

during the beta weekend the devs defended a keep for 10 hours straight, I dont know many "2nd games" you need that kind of attention to the game with a purpose other than grinding to max level or raiding dungeons?

100% agree with A and B (the rest is opinion). GW2 will be one of my 2nd games. much like starcraft 2 has been for the last year+

It isnt the mmorpg time-sync that i prefer. it is a perfect 2nd game. I am enjoying the beta and when I am not feeling like playing Tera online im sure you will find me in GW2 at those times. Not having a monthly sub makes it a great "im currently bored of my main game today".

Im not sure why there is so much negative feedback on this post because it is there opinion even if stated as a fact.

(not a gw2 fanboy, disliked gw1 a lot. this game is better though. I PLAY GW2 BETA)

Guild Wars a second game for most players ? Try first game for 5+ years for millions of players. Next.... :)

Originally posted by alkarionlog

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

after some time yes it will become a person second game, but a second game is better then you just leave it behind and later become a f2p to gather more peeps and then abuse of CS because we have people stupid enough to spend 10k on a top weapon.

 

dynamic events you can't say what it is till the game launch, till now I know its looks like the rifts in RIFT, it happens at anytime you can't controll it and with more peeps more difiicult it would become, at least that was one thing nice in rift.

 

better then wow raid grind skill spam for endgame, L2 and AION have a better endgame then wow have, WAR HAMMER failed not because its was pvp game but because it had several bugs and unbalanced classes, not considerationg most people choose chaos side because the art work was better for chaos side, darkfall same problem several bugs and exploits who make people be top skill lvl killing people and looting they corpse didn't help.

 

dude its ok you say you don't like the game or so but at least try to find some real info

I just don't get why people literally imagine a bunch of random assumptions about a game, and then proceed to argue how said game will fail, or be a second game, or whatever, based on these assumptions.  TBH, I've never seen this phenomenon more than with GW2.  

SWTOR got a lot of hate even prior to the NDA drop, but it was typically due to things people actually KNEW about the game.  Like the graphic quality, focus on story, reliance on the WoW model, etc.  I just don't see the point in concluding that a game will fail and then just making up reasons why.

Originally posted by Mephster

Guild Wars a second game for most players ? Try first game for 5+ years for millions of players. Next.... :)

And this fact is exactly why I don't trust the hype for GW2.  I want to.  I want GW2 to be great.  Some of the features definately sound cool (others less so).  But, although I understand lots of people liked GW1 (including most of those hyping GW2) but I honestly, not trying to be a hater, but honestly would rank GW1 as one of the 10 worst games I've ever played.  The fact that most of those hyping GW2 also liked GW1 makes me think "Well, maybe it's just not for me."

I can accept that.  But I'll be jealous if others are having fun and I can't LOL...

Originally posted by deziwright

100% agree with this. GW2 will be one of my 2nd games. much like starcraft 2 has been for the last year+

It isnt the mmorpg time-sync that i prefer. it is a perfect 2nd game. I am enjoying the beta and when I am not feeling like playing Tera online im sure you will find me in GW2 at those times. Not having a monthly sub makes it a great "im currently bored of my main game today".

 

Im not sure why there is so much negative feedback on this post because it is there opinion even if stated as a fact.

 

(not a gw2 fanboy, disliked gw1 a lot. this game is better though. I PLAY GW2 BETA)

Your post is perfectly reasonable, because you make it clear that it's all your opinion.  I personally despise raiding, but I know other people like it, and that's cool.

The reason the OP is getting "attacked" is exactly why you say...it's opinion stated as fact.  And not only that, all his arguments are ridiculous.

He's not arguing that GW2 will be his second game...he's arguing that GW2 will be a second game.

On second thought, GW2 does have a strong chance of being a first game simply because of their demograpic. ill use TSW as a example (as i always do) GW2 has what TSW doesn't offer, that being said TSW has what GW2 doesn't offer. thus GW2 has to compete with TERA and pre exisiting games. TSW and GW2 are too different and wont be directly competeing with eachother. Everything else that is being released other than TSW GW2 and TERA are sandboxes. so do people really believe that GW2 can't beat TERA, i find this thought laughable, GW2 has the stronger support between the 2. This is the best time for GW2 to release seeing as the competition for their demographic has little that can challenge them. Put out a product that can compete in a strong market when the market is middle to weak at best and it will be a success.

once again, i'm not a GW2 fan, but the OP is talking out of his ass.

After ArcheAge,Kingdom Under Fire 2 , Firefall,Planetside 2, and whatever theres coming,it might be my "5th game" but because i dont need to pay monthly fees,well well well it might be my "top game" just Like NetHack,its my "Top Game" of all time,and i can play that whenever i want.

Hard question ,right now i thinks it will be my 2½ game maybe 3 game or maybe 1 or even 42.

Cool story bro.

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

Source of your data please.

It will be a second game until people realize they are paying for a game they don't play anymore.

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

My question to you is, what does it matter? 

And because you're so smart you forgot to read about the game, I'll fill you in on a couple of things. Dynamic events and PvP are not the only things you can do in the game. Now get your smartass out of here.

Clearly the OP hasnt done much research on GW2. Especially when he goes on about the dynamic events. He simply doesnt understand that the dynamic events effect the environment and has many many phases to it over a large scale. Being a gamer who loved and played Warhammer and has played Rift to mid 40s, the events cant compare to GW2 as described and shown in videos as that is comparing apples to oranges. GW2 will own dynamic events if what they say and shown is true, and I dont see why it wouldnt.

Of all the second games in my library, GW1 is by far my most enjoyable. I don't know what my first game is, though. I am not even sure what a second or first game is for that matter as I constantly switch between games to keep an open mind and play the best games on most platforms.

Originally posted by LadyNoh

Ill agree to the game being a second game but not because of your reasoning. the only thing i see that makes it a second game is because of its Buy To Play model. The game actually looks reletively good from my perspective. Don't clump me in with the fans either i have no interest in this game. your just talking out of your ass OP.

Personally, the B2P pushes it even further to a "first game" for me... I can't justify paying a subscription to another game that will inevitably get smaller and smaller shares of my time. I've already cancelled three Eve subs waiting for this (and the fact that it simply got boring...), and now do a little TF2 and the original GW while I wait.

Have to admit... really starting to like the soldier class in TF2. Engineers need rocket launchers.

gamers must have a lot of time on their hands then

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

ok we wont argue because your points are valid for you.  But for me and most people I know they are completely invalid.

a) played GW as a first game and a lot of people I know didn't play it at all.

b) no subscription has absolutely NOTHING to do with it infact many have proven that Subs are not needed to run a great game.

c) Warhammer was a crappy comparison because it wasn't a great game in its entirety so that is negated.  RIFT on the other hand was an amazing game and brought dynamic events in a completely different way.  That being said GW2 will have "dynamic" events but your actions will cause changes unlike anything we've experienced before.  As they will get boring after doing them over and over the game offers so much more then just this.  BUt like I said at top these might not interest you as they do so many other people.

d) bad computers and internet connects make for bad experiences in massive battles.  Some of us didn't have any issues as you described.  and the point about end game content is totally invalid because this is a different type of MMO that you nor I have ever seen so we can not expect the same cookie cutter garbage such as end game raiding and such.  Mind sets are mainly going to be the reason people are going to be held back.

I've played nearly every game that has been on the market in the last 10 years, WoW was way to simplistic for me and most of the people I play with.  I believe that it has caused people to stop learning and to stop being productive as gamers.  ALL of the changes and inivation that GW2 is bringing to the market = something that will be my full time game if atleast for 2-3 months until something bigger and better comes out.

Sub fee's will soon be a thing of the past, traditional grind fest linear questing will follow it because its BORING.  I'm sick and tired of playing the same MMO with different names and slightly different graphics as have been EVERY game that has been released since everquest.... Time for change and GW2 looks like the start of this change.

Will it be a second play when bored with main game?? HELL NO because right now there is nothing on the market worth playing, NOTHING....

With Gw2 having so much to offer I don't see myself playing any other mmo beside it. I hate P2P model so SWTOR, Tera or Archeage go off my list. Secret World is just not for me. I'd rather play Gw2 and from time to time some good single player game releases.