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  drbaltazar

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Joined: 3/28/07
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3/08/12 7:29:01 AM#41

yep!ncsoft only say in guild wars ! this:they link microsoft ,ncsoft,arenanet together!to make sure if differential compression is needed it get implemented the proper way or of they need donnybrook ((for large scale battle )it get implemented properly!

payment stuff etc! but you would be surprised ncsoft doesnt say much from beginning to almost the end!why would they bother

gw1 was a huge success with insanelly limited ressource from that team!i am pretty sure tho that that part is over and now ncsoft and arenanet are insanelly hard at work for server,microsoft and ncsoft optimising everything!they ll have month of this before arenanet is satisfied cause yes ncsoft will suggest stuff ,but arenanet id the one making it cause they re the one that will have to live with the stupid or insanely genious idea they put on server or software side!

  Kalmarth

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3/08/12 7:33:51 AM#42
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

I agree this game will be nothing more than an Addon to a games libary but not a main game that really grips you

  ShakyMo

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3/08/12 7:41:19 AM#43
Oh boo hoo a game that finally looks after casual pveers and pvpers first instead of pandering to a squekiest wheel tiny raider minority
  Nasa

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3/08/12 7:42:28 AM#44

I should be clear by now. For some GW2 will be their main game and for others it will be their secondary.

For me it will be my main game, until something even better is released.

 

  Pratt2112

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3/08/12 8:03:40 AM#45
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

You're posting a controversial topic and making absolute statements without providing any data to back them up, and you don't want anyone to argue it? So, was your expectation that everyone would just say "oh, well, Mustarastas must be right. Obviously they know what they're talking about and are in possession of objective data to back up what they say, or they wouldn't have posted it! So let's not argue their statements, and just discuss why they're right"?

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

Has it? For most? You have actual numbers to back that up?

Personally, I've met plenty of people who played it as their main game for years, as well as those who played it on and off, as well as those who've played it as a "second game", as you describe.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

Again, perhaps for some that's the case. There are people who play it as their main game simply because they really enjoy playing it as their main game. No subscription is a bonus. How "easy" it is or isn't is irrelevant because that's entirely subjective. It's not "almost f2p". There is no "almost". It is, or it isn't. You have to buy the games, the original and all expansions, in order to play at all. If you have to pay for something, it isn't free, almost or otherwise.

And anyway, what do any of those things have to do with whether people play it as their main game or not? All kinds of people play all kinds of games as primary and secondary, even tertiary games, for all kinds of reasons.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

You seem to be making the common mistake that so many make on forums in that you assume whatever you feel about something must be what everyone else feels about it.

Whether or not Dynamic events are special, to you , has absolutely nothing to do with how others feel about them. Also, that Rift or Warhammer, or any other MMO has/had them is absolutely irrelevant. Not everyone plays, or has played those games and not everyone who does or has necessarily enjoyed their implementation.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

Really, I seem to remember my frame rate dropping at times during sieges in L2, but never to the point that I couldn't see what was happening or be involved. Sieges have been one of the cornerstones of Lineage 2 for years. If they were as bad as you make them sound, it's kinda doubtful they'd have been as successful as they have for as long as they have.

Is it a lag-fest for people who are trying to run the game in full settings at a siege when their systems clearly are underpowered to do so? Probably. But that has more to do with the player choosing not to turn down settings to something their system can handle, than it does to do with the game itself. You also don't need a power-house to play it. I've never had a high end machine, and since NC began to optimize the engine and character rendering real early on (talking around C1-C3 here), I've never had bad lag at all at sieges.

But people don't even have to take my word for it. Go to youtube, look up castle sieges and check out many of the videos. You'll see really crappy, laggy ones. But you'll also see plenty of those that are very smooth and not even remotely as bad as you make them sound. Same goes for footage of mass PvP.

Here's just one example I found in a quick YouTube search: Click Kinda cool finding that vid, in paricular. I knew, or knew of a number of the players in it from my time playing. MysticLance was a trip.
 

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinions just as much as anyone else. You really should take some time to differentiate between what is assumption or opinion, and what is actual fact before posting things like you did. There's almost nothing in your entire post that could actually be called fact, outside of Warhammer Online and Rift having dynamic events, and even that's been up for debate.

  Superduper69

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3/08/12 8:07:21 AM#46
Originally posted by Caldrin

Im gonig to get GW2 thats a no brainer but i Dont think its going to be as good as its being hyped up to be. Hell if im wrong awesome but I think we all know by now what happens when games get hyped up as much as GW2 is..

 

 

They never are, but i do agree with OP in one thing that GW2 will always be my second game simply because of its B2P model. 

  Arawulf

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3/08/12 8:11:31 AM#47
Originally posted by Mustarastas

 

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. 

Please define what you mean by "endgame content".  For almost every MMO I've played endgame content = gear treadmill

  Dragviper

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3/08/12 8:12:56 AM#48

 

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  Dragviper

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3/08/12 8:16:07 AM#49
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Loke666

I do think many people will use GW2 as an alt game.

Many of the players in the first GW were players of Wow and other games that played it for the PvP. Other just had it when they felt burnt out of their regular game.

But there were plenty of people playing it as main game as well. GW is still one of the largests MMOs in number of active players and it is still number 3 on the top voted games here.

It would not surprise me the least if half of the GW2 players would play the game as their second MMO, but I don´t see why that would be a problem? There is no rule that say that you only can enjoy one MMO at the same time.

 

Don't be reasonable, there can only be one bestest MMO ever at a time, and all that came before or after are shit.

Not really, some people will always prefer something different no matter what you do. You can´t make a perfect game for everyone so I am happy enough if the game is fun for me.

I liked GW and played it as a main game a rather long time, other of my friends have always used it as an alt game. And those people paid the same sums as me.

I plan to play GW2, hopefully as main game, but I will also try out other games, like WoDO, Class 4 and Copernicus. I only want to have a good time when playing, why would I care if the guys I am grouping with play Wow as well?

People are just taking gaming to serious and forget that it is about having fun, not whos game that is best.

Agreed with you ;)

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  mazut

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3/08/12 8:16:44 AM#50
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this

! ... why do you start such thread then? You dont want to start the fire, but you light the cigare at the gas station. Yeah right... ty and bye

  gotha

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3/08/12 8:18:57 AM#51
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

After the game has run a while I can see it becoming a second game.  But the initial launch is going to run like any other MMORPG and be popular for a few months and pitter out.

Yes no subsciption will lead this to be second a game over a long term period.  But time will lead this to be a first game for the months after launch.

Dynamic events actually are a lot more evolved and better implemented then either rifts or PQ.  And the game is also created to support them instead of being a WoW clone with them sprincled ontop.  They also flow a lot differently.

Your last point is all over the place and not cohesive enough to warrent a responce.  GW1 and 2 are very different in mechanics and end game PvP.

 

ALso you confidence about your poorly thought out  points far exceeds your knowledge on the subject.  Tone it down some son.

 

 

 

  someforumguy

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3/08/12 8:42:53 AM#52
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

a) It has been my main game for a long time. Especially because for a long time it was the only MMORPG (or CORPG whatever) that had PVP that interested me. But yeah, after that it became a game I went back to in between other games. This doesnt make GW1 a 'second' game for me. I would've done the same with some p2p games, but the problem with that was having to resub.

b) I think that it makes more sense to make your point b part of a. GW1 is definately not easier then any other MMO out there. Try some of the dungeons in GW1 in hardmode without reading a guide.

c) Yeah, so according to you dynamic events == public quests from WAR. *sigh*

d) NCSoft isnt developing GW2. And didnt develop GW1. ARENANET ffs. So there is no reason to start talking about L2/Aion in this context. Those were developed by a different company.

I'm willing to admit that you are just another uninformed person.

 

  daniel!!!

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3/08/12 8:45:12 AM#53
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

the point that you put i dont want to argue, then put it on a forum is absolute trolling....

 

and Guild Wars was never my second game, it was my first, the one i focused on, because even if the endgame wasnt the greatest it was at least fun, unlike wow, rift and god knows what else where it was all about having the best equipment otherwise no one would invite you.

  Thane

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3/08/12 8:47:10 AM#54

well, other people would say if it ain't lineage, it ain't propper "mass pvp" or rather siege.

 

 

seriously dudes, stop hating, hate does not offer anything positive ^^

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  Naral

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3/08/12 8:50:11 AM#55

Meh, for some people, the OP will be absolutely 100% spot on, I have no doubt. For me, who knows. It will depend on the game.

I have to admit to being a bit skeptical about DEs being the next best thing to sliced bread. I think there are going to be ample opportunities for them to become every bit as stale as traditional quest hub levelling, and sooner than folks think. I hope I am wrong, but maybe not.

For me it could be a second game, if TSW is decent.  The point is, who gives a crap? I mean, so what if it is all the things you said it was, OP? If people have fun playing it, and feel like they got their money's worth, does it really matter?

I would agree that this game will probably fall short of many's people's unrealistic expectations, but who am I to judge? I am one of seven people left on this site who still like SWTOR. ;-)

And with that in mind, GW2 will probably blow my mind. =)

The truth is, the only reason I am not all that super excited, is I am just sick and tired of the fantasy genre MMORPGs. Probably why I am hanging on to SWTOR harder than I normally would. 

  Morcotulcon

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3/08/12 8:59:13 AM#56
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

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This! The best post on the Thread!

Some people just need to stop expecting Guild Wars 2 to "fail". Theory crap without any fact whatsoever. Wait for the game to release please.

  alkarionlog

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3/08/12 9:08:37 AM#57
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

after some time yes it will become a person second game, but a second game is better then you just leave it behind and later become a f2p to gather more peeps and then abuse of CS because we have people stupid enough to spend 10k on a top weapon.

 

dynamic events you can't say what it is till the game launch, till now I know its looks like the rifts in RIFT, it happens at anytime you can't controll it and with more peeps more difiicult it would become, at least that was one thing nice in rift.

 

better then wow raid grind skill spam for endgame, L2 and AION have a better endgame then wow have, WAR HAMMER failed not because its was pvp game but because it had several bugs and unbalanced classes, not considerationg most people choose chaos side because the art work was better for chaos side, darkfall same problem several bugs and exploits who make people be top skill lvl killing people and looting they corpse didn't help.

 

dude its ok you say you don't like the game or so but at least try to find some real info

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  RizelStar

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3/08/12 9:10:20 AM#58
Food for thought...

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  BrokenSpoon

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3/08/12 9:13:13 AM#59

?! All games become second games to some people at some point, who gives a flying sh*t though? Will this game be good in 1 year? Dunno.. Will it be my "second game"? dunno... will I be playing this in 2 years time? Dunno... Who fking knows? what a uselsss topic :P 

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  Creslin321

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3/08/12 9:13:24 AM#60
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

You're posting a controversial topic and making absolute statements without providing any data to back them up, and you don't want anyone to argue it? So, was your expectation that everyone would just say "oh, well, Mustarastas must be right. Obviously they know what they're talking about and are in possession of objective data to back up what they say, or they wouldn't have posted it! So let's not argue their statements, and just discuss why they're right"?

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

Has it? For most? You have actual numbers to back that up?

Personally, I've met plenty of people who played it as their main game for years, as well as those who played it on and off, as well as those who've played it as a "second game", as you describe.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

Again, perhaps for some that's the case. There are people who play it as their main game simply because they really enjoy playing it as their main game. No subscription is a bonus. How "easy" it is or isn't is irrelevant because that's entirely subjective. It's not "almost f2p". There is no "almost". It is, or it isn't. You have to buy the games, the original and all expansions, in order to play at all. If you have to pay for something, it isn't free, almost or otherwise.

And anyway, what do any of those things have to do with whether people play it as their main game or not? All kinds of people play all kinds of games as primary and secondary, even tertiary games, for all kinds of reasons.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

You seem to be making the common mistake that so many make on forums in that you assume whatever you feel about something must be what everyone else feels about it.

Whether or not Dynamic events are special, to you , has absolutely nothing to do with how others feel about them. Also, that Rift or Warhammer, or any other MMO has/had them is absolutely irrelevant. Not everyone plays, or has played those games and not everyone who does or has necessarily enjoyed their implementation.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

Really, I seem to remember my frame rate dropping at times during sieges in L2, but never to the point that I couldn't see what was happening or be involved. Sieges have been one of the cornerstones of Lineage 2 for years. If they were as bad as you make them sound, it's kinda doubtful they'd have been as successful as they have for as long as they have.

Is it a lag-fest for people who are trying to run the game in full settings at a siege when their systems clearly are underpowered to do so? Probably. But that has more to do with the player choosing not to turn down settings to something their system can handle, than it does to do with the game itself. You also don't need a power-house to play it. I've never had a high end machine, and since NC began to optimize the engine and character rendering real early on (talking around C1-C3 here), I've never had bad lag at all at sieges.

But people don't even have to take my word for it. Go to youtube, look up castle sieges and check out many of the videos. You'll see really crappy, laggy ones. But you'll also see plenty of those that are very smooth and not even remotely as bad as you make them sound. Same goes for footage of mass PvP.

Here's just one example I found in a quick YouTube search: Click Kinda cool finding that vid, in paricular. I knew, or knew of a number of the players in it from my time playing. MysticLance was a trip.
 

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinions just as much as anyone else. You really should take some time to differentiate between what is assumption or opinion, and what is actual fact before posting things like you did. There's almost nothing in your entire post that could actually be called fact, outside of Warhammer Online and Rift having dynamic events, and even that's been up for debate.

+1, thanks for saving me the time of writing this up :).

 

You know, this thread is actually fairly typical of these forums.  And I'm sure some people will look to this thread as an example of GW's "bad community" and how we just snap at anyone with the slightest criticism.

But please, just read the Tangent's response to the OP.  The OP just lists a bunch of random baseless arguments and then just randomly concludes GW2 will just be a "second game."  I mean, it would be like if I went to the SWTOR forums while the NDA was still up and said:

I'm not even going to bother arguing about this, but admit it, SWTOR will always be the "second game" for people because...

A.  It is made by EA and EA is only good at making Madden.

B.  It is sci-fi and everyone knows fantasy is better.

C.  Everyone knows Knights of the Old Republic was terrible and EA/Bioware won't do any better with SWTOR.

Now if I posted that drivel over on the SWTOR forums prior to the NDA drop, I would have gotten torn apart...and deservedly so.  To be honest, I think that the responses to the OP have been remarkably civil, given the absolute inanity of his arguments.

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