Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced? No it HAS INSTANCES in it but the WORLD isnt instanced... the world is free roaming where everyone goes, instances such as dungeons and PRIVATE story quests are apart from the world as it has to be. So stop being a jerk and READ.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced?

With all the phasing it has? Mostly.

You folks were trying to tell me that elements of the game world were not instanced. This is false. The dungeons are instanced. So yes, the feature I want, is an entirely uninstanced game world, whereas now we have a partially instanced game world.

Now that I've broken it down for you, can you understand?

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced?

With all the phasing it has? Mostly.

You folks were trying to tell me that elements of the game world were not instanced. This is false. The dungeons are instanced. So yes, the feature I want, is an entirely uninstanced game world, whereas now we have a partially instanced game world.

Now that I've broken it down for you, can you understand?

have you ever played AoC? That midlvl dugeon that isnt instanced... ever had to wait for 2 hours waiting for a boss to spawn? Its a BAD IDEA!

Originally posted by Fir3line
So, wow is an instanced game by your parameters?

Warhammer too?

Yes and double yes. And not by my parameters, by the very definition of what an instance is.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced?

With all the phasing it has? Mostly.

You folks were trying to tell me that elements of the game world were not instanced. This is false. The dungeons are instanced. So yes, the feature I want, is an entirely uninstanced game world, whereas now we have a partially instanced game world.

Now that I've broken it down for you, can you understand?

Yes, you want the game to change to something it's not by removing content from the game instead of suggesting something which can be added without changing the game and removing content.

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced?

With all the phasing it has? Mostly.

You folks were trying to tell me that elements of the game world were not instanced. This is false. The dungeons are instanced. So yes, the feature I want, is an entirely uninstanced game world, whereas now we have a partially instanced game world.

Now that I've broken it down for you, can you understand?

have you ever played AoC? That midlvl dugeon that isnt instanced... ever had to wait for 2 hours waiting for a boss to spawn? Its a BAD IDEA!

That's because AoC was badly designed. Ever play in Darkness Falls? That level 10-50 dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot? The one where you never had to wait for a spawn or mob ever? Yeah, that was a GOOD IDEA!

See, I can do it too. Just because WoW and AoC are so badly designed that they cannot function without instances doesn't mean all games are like that.

Originally posted by Diovidius

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by ariboersma

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
I'm literally speechless with this astounding stupidity

I know right? Trying to pretend there aren't instances in this game. Someone needs to read up a bit on the game.

And please, no one try that line of "in what game AREN'T dungeons instanced?". We've not fallen so far from real MMOs that we believe that instanced dungeons aren't part of the game world, have we ?

So by your statement the world of wow is also instanced?

With all the phasing it has? Mostly.

You folks were trying to tell me that elements of the game world were not instanced. This is false. The dungeons are instanced. So yes, the feature I want, is an entirely uninstanced game world, whereas now we have a partially instanced game world.

Now that I've broken it down for you, can you understand?

Yes, you want the game to change to something it's not by removing content from the game instead of suggesting something which can be added without changing the game and removing content.

Precisely. The thread is about what would be the icing on the cake FOR ME. And that'd be it. I hate instancing in almost all its forms in MMOs because it makes the game feel less like an MMO. So that is the change I would personally want to make this game perfect FOR ME.

Originally posted by Fir3line
Fuck this, im leaving for uni and cba with this stupid shit

Translation : I didn't realize that uninstanced games can function perfectly with halfway decent development teams! I better leave this argument in a huff so I don't lose face.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
Fuck this, im leaving for uni and cba with this stupid shit

Translation : I didn't realize that uninstanced games can function perfectly with halfway decent development teams! I better leave this argument in a huff so I don't lose face.

Until now this was just a heated difference of opinion but this crosses a line sir.

Originally posted by Diovidius

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
Fuck this, im leaving for uni and cba with this stupid shit

Translation : I didn't realize that uninstanced games can function perfectly with halfway decent development teams! I better leave this argument in a huff so I don't lose face.

Until now this was just a heated difference of opinion but this crosses a line sir.

I believe the line was crossed with "cba with this stupid shit was said". And I wouldn't say its a difference of opinion, more of someone who is ignorant (Fir) trying to tell someone who appears to have actually played a lot of MMOs (Garvon) that instancing is necessary in all MMOs. Which is absolutely laughably false and kudos to Garvon for calling them out on it.

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Distopia

Not much more to the question than what's in the OP.

One thing I'd like to see would be a TES form of lore introduction within the world. While scripted events and dialogue do the trick to an extent. Nothing does it better than how TES handles it, books, lots of collectable books to purchase, find, or even steal. I am not familar with the lore in GW, I played GW1 but I really only PVP'd and unlocked skills. It would be great to learn about it in such a fashion.

 

I would also like to be able to have bookshelves in my personal instance, to store said books.  :T

Even if they didn't show up physically, just being able to click on a bookshelf and read various stories from books I've put into the bookshelf.

It'd also be nice to be able to write your own stories in custom books, but that's super unlikely. D:

That would rock as well..

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by Distopia

Not much more to the question than what's in the OP.

One thing I'd like to see would be a TES form of lore introduction within the world. While scripted events and dialogue do the trick to an extent. Nothing does it better than how TES handles it, books, lots of collectable books to purchase, find, or even steal. I am not familar with the lore in GW, I played GW1 but I really only PVP'd and unlocked skills. It would be great to learn about it in such a fashion.

 

If your asking for books with some lore in it scatered around the world then im pretty sure its already in. Saw it in a video of TB i believe i think there is also a video where it shows all the ones that are available, i think they are 30 or so.

That is good to hear, wasn't aware of this at all.

Originally posted by SignusM

 

I believe the line was crossed with "cba with this stupid shit was said". And I wouldn't say its a difference of opinion, more of someone who is ignorant (Fir) trying to tell someone who appears to have actually played a lot of MMOs (Garvon) that instancing is necessary in all MMOs. Which is absolutely laughably false and kudos to Garvon for calling them out on it.

This thread has nothing to do with this topic anyway, so please focus on the point of this thread.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Diovidius

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Fir3line
Fuck this, im leaving for uni and cba with this stupid shit

Translation : I didn't realize that uninstanced games can function perfectly with halfway decent development teams! I better leave this argument in a huff so I don't lose face.

Until now this was just a heated difference of opinion but this crosses a line sir.

I believe the line was crossed with "cba with this stupid shit was said". And I wouldn't say its a difference of opinion, more of someone who is ignorant (Fir) trying to tell someone who appears to have actually played a lot of MMOs (Garvon) that instancing is necessary in all MMOs. Which is absolutely laughably false and kudos to Garvon for calling them out on it.

Icing would be Tengu or Kodan (for illustration) or some other minor race aiming to break the ranks and join the major 5 races: Evidence of this & story continuation after Zhaitan. : )

Originally posted by RefMinor
I agree with that. Also EvE and Vanguard works fine without instanced dungeons, so it is perfectly possible. As for not being happy that someone's opinion is that they would like an uninstanced world as their choice of icing, I can only say, don't create threads on a generic MMO site if you don't want to hear a variety of opinions debated. Head off to the official site and all sing off the same hymn sheet.

What I said had nothing to do with what Garvon orginally posted, rather the squabble that followed, this thread isn't about whether games work with instanced dungeons or not, it's not about whether GW2 is instanced or not, those debates are for a different thread.

Originally posted by Distopia

Not much more to the question than what's in the OP.

One thing I'd like to see would be a TES form of lore introduction within the world. While scripted events and dialogue do the trick to an extent. Nothing does it better than how TES handles it, books, lots of collectable books to purchase, find, or even steal. I am not familar with the lore in GW, I played GW1 but I really only PVP'd and unlocked skills. It would be great to learn about it in such a fashion.

GW2 have some stuff like that. Heck it even have different alphabets that you can figure out (you, not your character) so you can read old inscriptions and stuff like that if you really are in to the lore.

No collectable books though, you have to puzzle it together as you play.

Here is a little reading: http://booncontrol.com/threads/content-designer-matthew-medina-alphabets-of-gw2.174/

For me personally, mounted combat is high on the list of features I would like to see. Good mounted combat that just like underwater combat changes your skills and weapons.

As for smaller stuff I would like personal insignias. I would like some heraldry to put on my shield and to be able to put it or some runes on the items I craft if I feel for it.