You guys do realize that the OP is really Snaylor who is the biggest BW fanboi around, just saying..........................

I was reading that ME3's meta-critic score is such because of something called a critic-bomb which is an organized group bent on giving low score to certain publisher games etc.

Not sure of how valid this is but seems to make some sense. I am no where near completion but ME3 seems pretty darn good so far.

I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.

Originally posted by Mr.Wizard

I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.

Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Mr.Wizard

I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.

Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.

Really? Did you see an offiicial reviewer post something like "f*ck you BioWare" x10 or only rant about Bioware or EA and don't mention the game at all? Rants about just the DLC? Thats not something I've seen by any official reviewers. The most hilarious are about 'the officials getting paid' or 'that they just made an account to "review" the game' (which is in reality spitting their disgrunted opinion). Thats what I meant with nonsense.

Originally posted by Mr.Wizard

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Mr.Wizard

I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.

Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.

Really? Did you see an offiicial reviewer post something like "f*ck you BioWare" x10 or only rant about Bioware or EA and don't mention the game at all? Rants about just the DLC? Thats not something I've seen by any official reviewers. The most hilarious are about 'the officials getting paid' or 'that they just made an account to "review" the game' (which is in reality spitting their disgrunted opinion). Thats what I meant with nonsense.

For me personally, I prefer open and honest expression instead of deceitful, rose-colored spew from compromised sources. That's just me though, helps me cut through the BS.

  the same people who hate this are the same ones who hate SWTOR, they have no patience for story or cut scenes or voice overs, they skip over everything and then say " hey what happened the game was'nt very long"

Originally posted by Robsolf

Everything popular sucks, that's why:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/

7 and 6 are most relevent, here.

I laughed.

Originally posted by DarkPony

The problem is that a gaming company hired a former car salesman as head of their marketing strategy department. At least that is what it seems to me.

Games are not cars and I won't pay more for extra's which should have been on the standard version in the first place. I already hated the DLC trend, (as it stimulates selling low on content games) but offering it at launch is simply an appaling money grab at the cost of what was left of their reputation after Swtor and its VIP lounge and vendors.

/boycott

 

 

yeah this is what is scaring me and what scares me about people saying its no big deal. when does buying a launch day DLC a big deal.

take skyrim for example ....

you buy the game for 60 bucks but you get basic skills one handed, 2 handed and shield ... all the other skills are DLC that you unlock for say 5 bucks a skill. now technically all those skills are optional and you can do just fine in the game with those three skills i mentioned. is that too far?

what if you had to buy the additional "guild quests" theives guild, companions guild, dark brotherhood and mage guild for 10 bucks each would that be too far? those are completely optional.

I mean when do we as gamers say enough is god damn enough?

I LOVE Mass Effect hell I replayed 1 and 2 and didn't get tired of it. but I REFUSE to buy ME3 for one because of the DLC nonsense and two the bullcrap ending that i have heard about.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

I was reading that ME3's meta-critic score is such because of something called a critic-bomb which is an organized group bent on giving low score to certain publisher games etc.

Not sure of how valid this is but seems to make some sense. I am no where near completion but ME3 seems pretty darn good so far.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory. You're suggesting that there's an organized group of gamers (a large one at that) who just want to badmouth certain companies?

Who would put forth the effort to pull this together for zero personal gain?  I'm not saying it's impossible, just a bit far fetched.

What's more likely is that expectations and value played a large role in how people reviewed the game.

The more you expect a game to fulfill all your wildest gaming dreams, the harder you're crushed when it fails to live up to expectations.  Same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels.  Before they came out, fans everywhere were hyped to no end (myself included), but the anger, confusion, and resentment that came after episode 1 was so large you'd think a terrorist attack just happened.

On top of that you have value. At $60 + sub MMO's, in general, have a lot to live up to value-wise.  And these players who were fully expecting to spend the next 3-5 years playing this game discovered that they didn't want to spend more than a few weeks playing are now questioning everything they thought and are upset that they let themselves get suckered. So they lash out, even if they aren't being totally realistic, because they're comparing what they got to what they wanted to get.

Take a game like Trine. At $10-$15 it's a great indie game, very fun. But if it were priced at $50-$60, then it would be considered extremely shallow and a fairly pathetic offering as it would be compared to other powerhouse titles that release at that price.

Look at some smart devs, those of Torchlight 2. It's not going to cost as much as D3, because if it does, then it will be compared directly (meaning, with a greater degree of scrutiny) with D3 than it currently will be.  And if D3 doesn't deliver, then you'll have a huge mass of people wanting blood (probably myself included) for not living up to the franchise.

Torchlight 2 has a much lower bar to pass, it just has to be better than the first Torchlight, which was okay, but overall fairly average (below D2 imo). And due to its lower cost, even someone like me who is clearly a Diablo fan, will still want to buy and enjoy T2. Basically, it's difficult for them to screw up.

That's why you see people say, "Don't overhype!" Once you do, people will compare your product to the expectations you set for them instead of reality. A great example is Xyson. If they had been honest and said, help us grow to achieve these things, but it will be rough at first. They might have had a cult following rooting for them.  Instead they post their insane laundry list of features, and fail at launching.

Now first off I haven't played ME 3 so I won't comment on the game directly but I think some of you may be looking at Bioware and ME 3 through some seriously rose tinted glasses here. I personally read through probably the first 50 or so player reviews and I think some of you are way off base. From what I read most of the low scores came from people who gave very descriptive reasons why they gave it such a low score. Very few mention the day 1 DLC at all. At least half of them state that they were huge fans of ME and ME 2 but found ME 3 seriously lacking in a lot of ways. From serious plot holes to having your imported character's past decisions not meaning a thing it's all there. Most were highly disappointed in the ending as well. These aren't people just bashing the game... They are people who have obviously played it already and are truly disappointed.

Like I said I haven't tried it personally so until I do I will reserve my personal judgement but to say these people's opinions don't matter is just pure fanboyism in it's most ugliest form. If it was 10 or even 50 low scores I may believe what some of you are spewing but 600+? No way that is just people bashing to bash. There is obviously something seriously wrong here with ME 3.

Bren

Originally posted by Brenelael

From what I read most of the low scores came from people who gave very descriptive reasons why they gave it such a low score. Very few mention the day 1 DLC at all. At least half of them state that they were huge fans of ME and ME 2 but found ME 3 seriously lacking in a lot of ways. From serious plot holes to having your imported character's past decisions not meaning a thing it's all there. Most were highly disappointed in the ending as well. These aren't people just bashing the game... They are people who have obviously played it already and are truly disappointed.

 

Bren

Originally posted by Meerkat93

That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it. 

 

I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?

 

You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.

What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.

Right up there with Skyrim?

Ummm no.

I haven't played ME1, or ME2, or ME3, or Dragon Age, or DragonAge 2...

But I have played SWTOR.  And many people said SWTOR was exactly like ME's in terms of getting companions and flying on your ship planet to planet.

Don't ever compare a bethesda sandbox RPG to your themepark Bioware bullshit.  Thats insulting.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Meerkat93

That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it. 

 

I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?

 

You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.

What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.

Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP.  He can't be serious.  If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is.  Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them. 

Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3?  Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was.  Just a troll, move a long folks.

Originally posted by stormseekaz

Right up there with Skyrim?

Ummm no.

I haven't played ME1, or ME2, or ME3, or Dragon Age, or DragonAge 2...

But I have played SWTOR.  And many people said SWTOR was exactly like ME's in terms of getting companions and flying on your ship planet to planet.

 

Don't ever compare a bethesda sandbox RPG to your themepark Bioware bullshit.  Thats insulting.

Well let's be honest. Skyrim itself was pretty damn insulting to hardcore Bethesda fans. It seemed to please the call of duty market, but so much of the rest of the gameplay suffered for it.

Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Meerkat93

That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it. 

 

I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?

 

You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.

What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.

 

Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP.  He can't be serious.  If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is.  Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them. 

 

Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3?  Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was.  Just a troll, move a long folks.

Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Meerkat93

That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it. 

 

I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?

 

You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.

What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.

 

Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP.  He can't be serious.  If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is.  Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them. 

 

Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3?  Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was.  Just a troll, move a long folks.

 

While I agree that taste is a subjective thing, I don't see why the Mass Effect franchise wouldn't be regarded on the same level as the Half-Life series or the Halo franchise, or why people wouldn't talk about it 10 years later. Don't see why this would be trolling from the OP. I'd personally rank ME3 higher than ME2 at the least.

Because Half Life 1 and 2 were massively innovative and influential FPS games that were literally the first of their kind and did amazing things. Whereas Mass Effect just has a decent story. No exciting gameplay. Nothing particularly standoutish.

Halo is a bit of an outlier because, while it did nothing for the genre as a whole, it was one of the first FPS games on CONSOLES to use LAN which was its only real call to fame.

Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Meerkat93

That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it. 

 

I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?

 

You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.

What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.

 

Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP.  He can't be serious.  If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is.  Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them. 

 

Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3?  Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was.  Just a troll, move a long folks.

 

While I agree that taste is a subjective thing, I don't see why the Mass Effect franchise wouldn't be regarded on the same level as the Half-Life series or the Halo franchise, or why people wouldn't talk about it 10 years later. Don't see why this would be trolling from the OP. I'd personally rank ME3 higher than ME2 at the least.

I just don't think these games have been important to PC gaming, or can be considered some of the greatest of all time.  The are not even some of Biowares best games.  I guess that is my opinion of course, but since you mentioned Halo, can you say that the Mass Effect series, has had the same effect on gaming that Halo has?  No offense, but both Halo and Half LIfe 1&2 have paved the way for FPS games we have today, ME has done nothing of the sort. 

Having played the DLC, I can honestly say those who don't have it, aren't missing anything. Yes, it's a Prothean, yes he's the last surviving member but (SPOILERS) he's a Soldier who knows nothing of his people's technology because his only reason to exist was to kill. So, other than a few blurbs about culture and the cool "touch you and know everything about you" think, he doesn't add anything to the story. He also dies a lot :\ I used him for a few missions but afterward I'd had enough of him, EDI/James ftw.

Most of those bad reviews btw, are not about the DLC, they're about the game itself. You're entitled to your opinion, but putting ME3 up there with Skyrim is kind of a joke to me. The story in Skyrim wasn't as deep, but the ending was far more gratifying and the gameplay was waaaaaay better. I didn't mind running around shooting things but really, there's not much "RPG" left in the Mass Effect series, far less than DA2 and you saw how many people were bitching that DA2 wasn't all fun and tactical like Origins was. For me, ME3 gets a 7 for story (endings, once again, were wack and had 0 to do with anything to did up to that point), a 6 for gameplay. Skyrim gets a 6 for story from me, a 9 for gameplay. That's just me, though.