Originally posted by Meerkat93

Originally posted by Elikal

Oh my. Thank goodness I passed this.

The entire objective/subjective discussion aside: how can it be ALL mags review it 9 or 10 of 10, and 600+ players get to an average of 2.3? I understand some gamers may be overly harsh in some cases, but sorry, for me the entire game mags have LONG ago lost all credibility. They are just paid puppets of the industry.

Elikal I thought you were smarter than this...

 

If 73 (or what ever the number is now) gave the game between 8 and 10, do you honestly think all of those 73+ People where large enough for A)EA to care about wheather or not they liked their game or B)Have large enough traffic to their site to justify paying them money for ADVERTISMENT.

 

What makes the reviews of 73+ people anyless valid then the reviews of 600+ most of which more then likely never touched the game and are simply butt hurt over the day one DLC?

 

I came to this sight to get away from places like /v/ and even Reddit, turns out this place may be just as bad.

If you actually bothered reading through the negative comments on metacritic, then you'll see that the vast majority of it is actually constructive and most not even talk about the DLC, but criticising the game itself!

FACT is, that ME1, ME2 and hell even SW:TOR got more positive scores from users, while with ME3 it's the complete opposite with the vast majority being negative!

Sure, some are pure haters, but you can't ignore the sudden shift and the very negative response from gamers overall.

Originally posted by JeroKane

If you actually bothered reading through the negative comments on metacritic, then you'll see that the vast majority of it is actually constructive and most not even talk about the DLC, but criticising the game itself!

FACT is, that ME1, ME2 and hell even SW:TOR got more positive scores from users, while with ME3 it's the complete opposite with the vast majority being negative!

Sure, some are pure haters, but you can't ignore the sudden shift and the very negative response from gamers overall.

There's some pretty good reasons for ME3 getting low ratings. I was skeptical of the game. I really wanted to get this one, I loved mass effect, and even enjoyed me2, and wanted to finish off the series. However, with the controversy surrounding this one's release I decided to wait, and do some more digging (plus i'm on a PC, and I absolutely cannot stand Origin, so that alone gave me pause), and I found that there were fairly justifiable reasons for not liking the game.

It's decent, but it's not great, and it's buggy with a pretty half-assed story from what I can tell. I also think that once more gamers get to the actual ending for this game they will be even more annoyed with this title. The sad thing is, I don't think most of the reviewers are haters at all, I think most players really really wanted to like this one, but EA/Bioware made just too many inexcuseable decisions. I know that I, for one, was really conflicted about this title. I really wanted to get it, but there were just too many dealbreakers in the end, and I really hate EA/Bioware for putting gamers in this predicament.

(just to be clear I'm not arguing w/ you, I'm agreeing with you)

Just read about that "day one downloadable content" ... 10 extra bucks for content which was developed before the game itself launched ...

Must have been the same marketing guys who thought up SWTOR's VIP lounge and vendors ... awful. Apparently their strategy is now to always offer a premium experience for more profitssss at launch of their products.

I don't think we should be fooling ouselves by thinking that al DLC for other games has been developed after launch though, but it's very bad practice to ask people extra money for content that has no reason not to be in the game itself and they aren't even trying to hide it by releasing it in a month or so.

How stupid do they think we are?

Originally posted by DarkPony

Just read about that "day one downloadable content" ... 10 extra bucks for content which was developed before the game itself launched ...

Must have been the same marketing guys who thought up SWTOR's VIP lounge and vendors ... awful. Apparently their strategy is now to always offer a premium experience for more profitssss at launch of their products.

I don't think we should be fooling ouselves by thinking that al DLC for other games has been developed after launch though, but it's very bad practice to ask people extra money for content that has no reason not to be in the game itself and they aren't even trying to hide it by releasing it in a month or so.

How stupid do they think we are?

 

 

Well the thing is, if the game itself was big enough I would not care so much. But I heard that a lot of people are finishing it in around 20 hours of game play. That kind of shows that they put the minimum amount possible in the original game and are planning to release the rest as DLC. Effing BS if you ask me.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by DarkPony

Just read about that "day one downloadable content" ... 10 extra bucks for content which was developed before the game itself launched ...

Must have been the same marketing guys who thought up SWTOR's VIP lounge and vendors ... awful. Apparently their strategy is now to always offer a premium experience for more profitssss at launch of their products.

I don't think we should be fooling ouselves by thinking that al DLC for other games has been developed after launch though, but it's very bad practice to ask people extra money for content that has no reason not to be in the game itself and they aren't even trying to hide it by releasing it in a month or so.

How stupid do they think we are?

 

 

Well the thing is, if the game itself was big enough I would not care so much. But I heard that a lot of people are finishing it in around 20 hours of game play. That kind of shows that they put the minimum amount possible in the original game and are planning to release the rest as DLC. Effing BS if you ask me.

That's what pisses me off too. I spend nearly 70 hours on ME2 on the main storyline and the necessary side missions alone to finish it.

It seems that ME3 doesn't even have half the content ME2 had on release! /facepalm

You can't say you all wasnt warned, they deliberately reduce content because they know fanbois will part with their cash for the DLC, and the game sold on the goodwill from the previous 2 games.  One day people will catch on and realise that publishers have no interest in their consumers as long as they have money to spend.

Originally posted by nilden

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That is a lot of negative user reviews.

wow the differnce between them and critics is scary

EA at its best again. lol

Bye Bye ME3......

I´ll wait untill they sell it 75% Off on steam :P

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by JeroKane

Well, if THAT many people are negative, there is some truth in it. And when you read the comments of people (I actually bothered reading them), a lot of them are well written posts! The main negative critique is bland and horrible story, lot less choices in dialogue, terrible ending and tremendous amounts of bugs with importing character data from ME2. And to top it off, the Day 1 DLC pack!

Exactly, look at the user reviews, see how nice worded, logically laid out their arguements are...

Then go to the critics reviews.

"Mass Effect 3 is the first contender for game of the year 2012. BioWare once again delivers a masterpiece."

This tell us nothing, and in fact is very generic, you could say its even recycled, I bet they said the samething about Dragon age 2 only replace it with 2011.  They are PAID to write reviews like this?  This is their job?  Really?

 

Here's PC gamers

"The end of the series is a mixed bag. Satisfying in some ways, nonsensical in others, and ultimately too simple. But the sheer scale of the adventure it's ending – and the music, which is gorgeous throughout – gives it an emotional impact that goes beyond its plot payload. "

Ok now after reading this I'm thinking oh what did they give it?   Like a 78?   83 maybe?   Nope.   A 93.   Yeah, THAT review is a 93?    wat?

 

This makes no sense.

Oh come on you two, anyone and their mother knows what a 2.3 means. By most reports the game is essentially ME2 with some enhanced features (this is coming from those PLAYING the game), and are you saying ME2 is worth a 2.3? Half the people who are voting it so low IMO likely didn't even purchase the game due to the DLC fiasco. IN reaction they are voting it low soley based on that. It's a side quest for gods sake. I hate to generalize but seriously what is your negativity all about as an example?

Yeah DLC sucks, so don't buy it, if you're not buying it, don't rate it, is this a hard concept to grasp? If you do rate it at least say I'm voting a 2 because the DLC..

A well written post doesn't mean squat btw Jero, they took the tidbits everyone knew the game had within and said they all suck, doesn't take much more than a kid in 6th grade (or lower) to accomplish that whether they played the game or not.

Icing on the cake:  You admit to stealing the game, and then attempt to excuse the crime. By that logic I should be able to walk into Best Buy and come home with a wall sized  Plasma at no charge I don't like the price so they should just let me take it for free...

Looks promising, the fact that the mmorpg.com community doesn't like it means that it's not "open world" and probably fun to most people, me included. Should arrive by mail today 

Originally posted by Meerkat93 

I could understand the Dragon Age II rage but after playing TOR and hearing all of the complaints I started to wonder, Mass Effect 3 just proves me right.

What are you talking about? SWTOR is a mediocre game and only SW fans or MMO newbies could reasonably consider it worth a sub. Yet it received universally 90+ point reviews.

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by nilden

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That is a lot of negative user reviews.

wow the differnce between them and critics is scary

Yeah I wonder where this disparity is coming from because you dont see it for games like Skyrim where the difference is like 8.4 and 9.5.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by JeroKane

Well, if THAT many people are negative, there is some truth in it. And when you read the comments of people (I actually bothered reading them), a lot of them are well written posts! The main negative critique is bland and horrible story, lot less choices in dialogue, terrible ending and tremendous amounts of bugs with importing character data from ME2. And to top it off, the Day 1 DLC pack!

Exactly, look at the user reviews, see how nice worded, logically laid out their arguements are...

Then go to the critics reviews.

"Mass Effect 3 is the first contender for game of the year 2012. BioWare once again delivers a masterpiece."

This tell us nothing, and in fact is very generic, you could say its even recycled, I bet they said the samething about Dragon age 2 only replace it with 2011.  They are PAID to write reviews like this?  This is their job?  Really?

 

Here's PC gamers

"The end of the series is a mixed bag. Satisfying in some ways, nonsensical in others, and ultimately too simple. But the sheer scale of the adventure it's ending – and the music, which is gorgeous throughout – gives it an emotional impact that goes beyond its plot payload. "

Ok now after reading this I'm thinking oh what did they give it?   Like a 78?   83 maybe?   Nope.   A 93.   Yeah, THAT review is a 93?    wat?

 

This makes no sense.

Oh come on you two, anyone and their mother knows what a 2.3 means. By most reports the game is essentially ME2 with some enhanced features (this is coming from those PLAYING the game), and are you saying ME2 is worth a 2.3? Half the people who are voting it so low IMO likely didn't even purchase the game due to the DLC fiasco. IN reaction they are voting it low soley based on that. It's a side quest for gods sake. I hate to generalize but seriously what is your negativity all about as an example?

Yeah DLC sucks, so don't buy it, if you're not buying it, don't rate it, is this a hard concept to grasp? If you do rate it at least say I'm voting a 2 because the DLC..

A well written post doesn't mean squat btw Jero, they took the tidbits everyone knew the game had within and said they all suck, doesn't take much more than a kid in 6th grade (or lower) to accomplish that whether they played the game or not.

Icing on the cake:  You admit to stealing the game, and then attempt to excuse the crime. By that logic I should be able to walk into Best Buy and come home with a wall sized  Plasma at no charge I don't like the price so they should just let me take it for free...

Except copyright infringement and theft is not the same thing, not even legally. In one case you are actually taking a tangible object and in other case you are making a copy of a piece of software, which violates the copyright. These two are vastly different.

And when I rate a game, I rate all aspects of it. If there is a really fun game that costs $1000 the overal rating of the game would go down because there is something called Value, in most reviews. For me Mass Effect 3 seems to have alot less content for the box price, compared to previous Bioware titles. And I am expected to pay more to get more content and this for me drastically lowers the overall rating.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Distopia
 

Except copyright infringement and theft is not the same thing, not even legally. In one case you are actually taking a tangible object and in other case you are making a copy of a piece of software, which violates the copyright. These two are vastly different.

And when I rate a game, I rate all aspects of it. If there is a really fun game that costs $1000 the overal rating of the game would go down because there is something called Value, in most reviews. For me Mass Effect 3 seems to have alot less content for the box price, compared to previous Bioware titles. And I am expected to pay more to get more content and this for me drastically lowers the overall rating.

DId you just try and say illegally DLing a copyrighted product (pirating) is not theft? Really?

(yellow )You can only rate all aspects if you've played it, that was my entire point. IF you're not going to play it, why attempt to rate all parts?

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Distopia
 

Except copyright infringement and theft is not the same thing, not even legally. In one case you are actually taking a tangible object and in other case you are making a copy of a piece of software, which violates the copyright. These two are vastly different.

And when I rate a game, I rate all aspects of it. If there is a really fun game that costs $1000 the overal rating of the game would go down because there is something called Value, in most reviews. For me Mass Effect 3 seems to have alot less content for the box price, compared to previous Bioware titles. And I am expected to pay more to get more content and this for me drastically lowers the overall rating.

DId you just try and say illegally DLing a copyrighted product (pirating) is not theft? Really?

(yellow )You can only rate all aspects if you've played it, that was my entire point. IF you're not going to play it, why attempt to rate all parts? 

Actually I have not rated it, I just say that those that have rated it and taken the DLC into account are well justified to do so.

As for copyright infrignment and theft not being the same thing, you can debate about it on moral grounds but legally it is a fact that they are not considered the same. They are governed by completely different set of laws. Atleast in my country and I am pretty sure in US as well.

So it really is RIP Bioware? It seemed pretty clear simply from the (EA) executives running the BW division but I guess it really is all over, sadly BW is long gone.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Yamota
   

Except copyright infringement and theft is not the same thing, not even legally. In one case you are actually taking a tangible object and in other case you are making a copy of a piece of software, which violates the copyright. These two are vastly different.

 

DId you just try and say illegally DLing a copyrighted product (pirating) is not theft? Really?

 

Oh I'll agree with them... because in the United States...

"If sued for civil copyright infringement, the penalty is up to $100,000 per title infringed. If charged with a criminal violation, the fine is up to $250,000 per title infringed and up to five years imprisonment"

Where if I went into a retail store and shop-lifted the same game... the penalty is no where near as severe.... definitely two different things.

LOL ?

Oh and to be slightly on the topic of ME3... for those that enjoy the game.. I'm happy for you.   Its always nice to find a game you enjoy.   For those that don't enjoy the game... I hope you find a game you do enjoy.

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Yamota
   

Except copyright infringement and theft is not the same thing, not even legally. In one case you are actually taking a tangible object and in other case you are making a copy of a piece of software, which violates the copyright. These two are vastly different.

 

DId you just try and say illegally DLing a copyrighted product (pirating) is not theft? Really?

 

 

Oh I'll agree with them... because in the United States...

 

"If sued for civil copyright infringement, the penalty is up to $100,000 per title infringed. If charged with a criminal violation, the fine is up to $250,000 per title infringed and up to five years imprisonment"

 

Where if I went into a retail store and shop-lifted the same game... the penalty is no where near as severe.... definitely two different things.

 

LOL ?

 

Oh and to be slightly on the topic of ME3... for those that enjoy the game.. I'm happy for you.   Its always nice to find a game you enjoy.   For those that don't enjoy the game... I hope you find a game you do enjoy.

It is funny how that works lol, one a felony another a misdemeanor, when they're basically the same crime LOL.

Originally posted by forest-nl

Not every game can be SUPER game like Bethesda's game Elder Scroll V: Skyrim(300hours gameplay+Creation kit for mods for FREE) only one can be best sorry bioware fans.

for $60+ dollars they better be especially if they are trying to shove DLC down my throat at $10 a pop. Otherwise it's buy used (For consoles) or wait for that edition for $20 with all the DLC included.

Or of course there are other options :P