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3/06/12 6:45:04 PM#41
Meh. People will hate, troll and fanboi no matter what, universal law of internet. As for ME3, well, there are people who hate EA, dislike BW and/or are vehemently against the day 1 DLC, so it'll be no surprise that this will influence their rating and posting about the game, and will increase the chance of them rating politically, as in just giving 0's and 1's and such for the game out of principle, not as much as an honest, objective view of the game's quality. Add to this that in certain (trolling) circles it's now the hot popular trend to trash on BW and such ratings of some shouldn't really come as a surprise.
But chill, OP, in the end they're just people's opinions, you can't expect everyone to like something that you don't or vice versa. That's the internet for you, freedom of speech, it doesn't mean freedom of stupidity nor freedom of bias. |
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3/06/12 6:53:18 PM#42
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Agreed.
Their needs to be another video game crash teach them greedy publishers a lesson. |
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3/06/12 7:00:39 PM#43
Originally posted by Meerkat93 OP, you're not listening. Obviously, you don't need to change your opinion, but as OP, you need to consider counter-arguments and refute them logically. That's what you're not doing.
I watched the TB video. I disagree that consumers are "entitled" to whatever a developer makes before release. That's arbitrary. Developers can and should plan out their content in advance and if they choose to prepare additional DLC before release, that's their business. We cannot lay claim to it.
However, if they pull something that should be in the game at release just to jack up the price a lot, that's wrong. There are a lot of things that need further discussion: what "should" be in the game at release, and what "wrong" means here, for example. But on the evidence we see about ME3 now, no matter how cool the game is, it does seem like BW is charging $80 (and worse for people buying in British pounds) for the complete game including the Prothean.
*OP, I don't think you used the word sheepish correctly here.
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3/06/12 9:50:06 PM#44
Originally posted by TROLL_HARD OP seems more like a troll anyway. He doesn't seem like he responds intelligently to anyones posts. Just another fanboi *sigh*. |
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3/06/12 10:00:43 PM#45
Originally posted by Meerkat93 You dont have to buy the game either, but that is obviously not the point. The point is : EA : Tadaaaah! Game is finished for you to buy! We: Oh, me buy! EA : Oh wait, let me first take this out and this and then you can buy and that other you can buy seperate. You get to buy 2 times for one game! We: Why? EA: Don't act spoiled and stfu! Just listen to the apologists who say it is still a game, so it doesn't matter if we slice and dice the game into smaller bits so we can ask more money! If this works, we can go another step further next time!
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3/07/12 12:45:31 AM#46
sorry to burst your infinitely tiny bubble universe but being mature also includes not touting maturity while acting like a complete douche bag. I am no fan of corporate abuses and EA/Bioware has become increasingly involved in them in the past year so making a point about it is definitely neither childish nor unwarranted. I used to love Turbine but their use of the Store to just bypass the game mechanics and give advantages (armor) to those who spend real money is no different imo. The problem isn't the complainers by any stretch of the imagination, the problem is that people are continuously paying these companies for trash practices keeping their sales high and not teaching them a thing about ethics or how wrong it is to gouge the public. What's ironic is that while those of us who are complaining about the complete disregard of public trust there are those who are either attacking us personally or claiming we have no idea what we are talking about. I'm a consumer, we were all born into being a consumer. This makes me qualified. That and my handy dandy bullsh*t-o-meter that i keep on my person at all times. |
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Corehaven
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Joined: 7/27/11
I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you. |
3/07/12 12:52:19 AM#47
Originally posted by Meerkat93
Seems the community on Metacritic liked ME2 and ME1. So no thats not flying. Your opinion doesnt seem to be matching with most of the players have bought it. Every fan boy just loves to blame negative comments about a game on senseless haters. People do not go out and spend hard earned cash on a game only to totally bomb it and hate it. Im sure there are things they would have rather bought.
So is it them thats senseless? Or could Bioware have sold you a steaming pile inside an ME3 box and you would have clapped and cheered no matter what? One has to wonder. |
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3/07/12 12:58:45 AM#48
I don't buy EA products. Oh and ME3 sucks. I'll never play it, but I'd give it a 0/10.
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3/07/12 8:28:33 AM#49
Originally posted by CorehavenOriginally posted by Meerkat93 Heh. Use your brain, actually it does prove what he's saying: ME and ME2 are before DA2, before excessive DA:O DLC's, before TOR and before ME3 day 1 DLC, as well as before it becoming a popular thing in 4chan and other sortlike circles to trash on BW games. It's obvious that there are quite some people rating politically and ideologically, and not really objectively about the game. ME3 is nowhere near significantly worse as a game than a ME or ME2, in fact it's definitely better than a ME2 that got a user metacritic rating of 8.6 People aren't rating 0-4 figures in contrast of ME2 for the game and its gameplay, but for those other reasons that I mentioned, out of principle or to 'punish' EA/BW.
Originally posted by Guely I think examples like this really says it all. No need to further debate the point: people who're all too willing to rate out of principle and all too eager to 'review' a game with a 0 they have never even played. |
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3/07/12 8:47:30 AM#50
Originally posted by smh_alotME3 is nowhere near significantly worse as a game than a ME or ME2, in fact it's definitely better than a ME2 that got a user metacritic rating of 8.6 Could you post a link to the proof for that statement please? "i don't waste my time building relationship in games" - nariusseldon |
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3/07/12 8:59:27 AM#51
Originally posted by RefMinorOriginally posted by smh_alotME3 is nowhere near significantly worse as a game than a ME or ME2, in fact it's definitely better than a ME2 that got a user metacritic rating of 8.6 Shrug. The metacritic rating of 8.6 can be found at their site, that ME3 is better than a ME2 is my own impressions. It doesn't need much objectivity and loosening up of ideological/emotional bias to figure out that the difference in gameplay quality between ME2 and ME3 is nowhere near the difference of an 8.6 and 4.8. But hey, like I said, people who currently hate/dislike EA, BW, the day 1 DLC idea or other BW games are prone to include those non-game factors into their 'review' rating as the example post above already showed. It doesn't really take being a brainiac to realise that, only a slight degree of honesty and objectivity. |
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3/07/12 9:10:38 AM#52
The problem is that a gaming company hired a former car salesman as head of their marketing strategy department. At least that is what it seems to me. Games are not cars and I won't pay more for extra's which should have been on the standard version in the first place. I already hated the DLC trend, (as it stimulates selling low on content games) but offering it at launch is simply an appaling money grab at the cost of what was left of their reputation after Swtor and its VIP lounge and vendors. /boycott
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3/07/12 9:14:03 AM#53
Originally posted by JeroKane Game was pirated days ago + some ppl could unlock using Korean proxy earlier as well.
Besides DLC thing is inexcluseable - boycott.
Oh - ONE MORE THING.
People are grading a PRODUCT on metacritic not just gameplay part of this product - so yeah DLC crap , business models, and all those things DO matter. You will have to swallow that honey.
If game will have bul**it , leech business model then it will AFFECT what people think and how they grade this game. I don't know why you see it as wrong and / or surprise. |
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3/07/12 9:17:42 AM#54
Originally posted by Meerkat93 The problem here is that GW1 offered a great deal more content for that initial purchase as well as offering additional Mission packs. The idea that a game that ships content lite for $60-$70 dollars and puts you into a position in the first day or 2 that you are considering buying additional content, is the same as what you stated is idiotic. |
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3/07/12 9:24:06 AM#55
Originally posted by Meerkat93 Nothing to do with DLC, its day 1 DLC that has a strong aspect of the story line. Day 1 DLC should never be accepted, i dont care if a dev has tons of stuff avail for DLC they need to hold off a month before they start releasing it. I love everything Mass Effect but i hate the idea of what EAoware has done with this day 1 DLC and i will not purchase the game nor will i endorse this behavior of devs/publishers. The more you buy into the thinking that a game should cost 70,80,90,100 the mroe EA and Activision thinking will be come the norm and you just keep filling there heads that this is ok. Sometimes you need to stick to your decisions and not give in no matter how good something is. Lolipops ! |
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3/07/12 9:31:33 AM#56
Originally posted by Voiidiin This is actually one of the reasons I buy games on Console before I buy them for PC. If it's not worth the money I paid then I can take that console game and turn it in for 30-40 depending on what promotions going on and get something else. That way I don't feel like I've wasted $60, ME3 with what it ships with is worth about $20-30 bucks, but definitely not worth the current price tag. |
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3/07/12 1:04:46 PM#57
Originally posted by EvilGeek The mission pack was a DLC which was available at launch to encourage people to buy from the store. Bioware are doing exactly the same thing. With the day 1 DLC they are encouraging people to buy the CE edition. IF you bought the CE edition, you get the DLC for free. Buying from their store DID make the purchase more expensive. Because the retail game was about 10 pounda cheaper than what was on their store. So you would end up paying 10 pounds more if you bought from their store which can be considered to be the cost of the mission pack (DLC). |
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3/07/12 2:15:41 PM#58
I totally agree OP. Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game... I really don't understand the basis for all the constant bashing. It just seems like there are a ton of people who apparently get all their enjoyment from hating on games rather than enjoying them... All they do is whine and QQ and trash other peoples' hard work. Its really quite pathetic and it makes me very sad. |
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Zekiah
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Joined: 1/06/07
Hype (noun) |
3/07/12 2:19:28 PM#59
Originally posted by fivoroth I would call that a bait and switch, choosing kinder words to describe that kind of scheme. "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
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3/07/12 2:19:44 PM#60
So the people who think Metacritics users are wrong about ME3...must also think they are wrong about ME1 and 2, because they get rather good user reviews. They must be wrong about that then, if they are wrong about ME3.
See where I'm going with that? My youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheExplorium MMORPG.com is like 4chan, but for gamers. WoW already does WoW good. PvPers that gank newbies, are carebears. They don't want a challenge (like a carebear), they just want easy mode (like a carebear) and a no challenge combat (like a carebear). |
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