Originally posted by Fed1

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by Fed1

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by jacklo

Just to emphasise, I don't care how many games have been released years ago with bugs or lack of content.

MMO's were a new concept back then, not that that's an excuse for bugs anyway. 

 

New mmo's are new as well, it all depends on how all the data is put together, the engine etc. and the live environment allways functions differently than the internal QA server, alpha server, beta server even if you have many folks testing on them still things can and will work differently once the masses are let free on it.

OS's aren't a new concept either and microsoft has made them for years yet they still can't release a bug free OS and even today there's still a shetload of windows xp bugs not fixed.

Oh c'mon, there's bugs, and there's BUGS. Don't take my post out of context.

No software is bug free, but there's a point where it gets beyond a joke.

And yet you or any others here have not mentioned a "Game Breaking" bug. If you think SWTOR has BUGS , then you simply do not like MMOs.

And regarding the other comments from posters about MMOs, wait til people play GW2 no healing no raids, instanced gathering ...

 

 

Wasn't being unable to do warfronts at lvl 50 a "game breaking bug"?

Considering that's pretty much all there is to do at that level, it's game breaking to me.

The other main issues are still the ability delay and FPS issues. I can't really call them bugs, just poor coding. It has the same effect though. It's game breaking to the extreme.

No considering most did not have this problem and there are plenty of other things to do.

Game breaking bug is having your computer lock up on porting in Rift. O and this is the big example of MMO polish people point to? LOL

 

Lock up on porting in RIFT... never happened to me. Nor did I hear anyone in our guild ever come across a similar problem.

I'll tell you what our guild did come across in SWTOR though...

We couldn't get anywhere in a hurry. Some PvP starts on a planet somewhere, we get a group together and by the time everyone gets through the loading screens, it's all over.

Loading into fleet, half of the guild were met with a blank screen. As graphics slowly started to load, they were still unable to move their character for minutes at a time.

We planned a raid on Ilum with 30 to 40 members but after loading in and before setting off looking for action, we had to give up because 80% of the guild had like 3 FPS and struggled to get back off the planet.

Yes it's that bad.

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by Fed1

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by Fed1

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by jacklo

Just to emphasise, I don't care how many games have been released years ago with bugs or lack of content.

MMO's were a new concept back then, not that that's an excuse for bugs anyway. 

 

New mmo's are new as well, it all depends on how all the data is put together, the engine etc. and the live environment allways functions differently than the internal QA server, alpha server, beta server even if you have many folks testing on them still things can and will work differently once the masses are let free on it.

OS's aren't a new concept either and microsoft has made them for years yet they still can't release a bug free OS and even today there's still a shetload of windows xp bugs not fixed.

Oh c'mon, there's bugs, and there's BUGS. Don't take my post out of context.

No software is bug free, but there's a point where it gets beyond a joke.

And yet you or any others here have not mentioned a "Game Breaking" bug. If you think SWTOR has BUGS , then you simply do not like MMOs.

And regarding the other comments from posters about MMOs, wait til people play GW2 no healing no raids, instanced gathering ...

 

 

Wasn't being unable to do warfronts at lvl 50 a "game breaking bug"?

Considering that's pretty much all there is to do at that level, it's game breaking to me.

The other main issues are still the ability delay and FPS issues. I can't really call them bugs, just poor coding. It has the same effect though. It's game breaking to the extreme.

No considering most did not have this problem and there are plenty of other things to do.

Game breaking bug is having your computer lock up on porting in Rift. O and this is the big example of MMO polish people point to? LOL

 

Lock up on porting in RIFT... never happened to me. Nor did I hear anyone in our guild ever come across a similar problem.

I'll tell you what our guild did come across in SWTOR though...

We couldn't get anywhere in a hurry. Some PvP starts on a planet somewhere, we get a group together and by the time everyone gets through the loading screens, it's all over.

Loading into fleet, half of the guild were met with a blank screen. As graphics slowly started to load, they were still unable to move their character for minutes at a time.

We planned a raid on Ilum with 30 to 40 members but after loading in and before setting off looking for action, we had to give up because 80% of the guild had like 3 FPS and struggled to get back off the planet.

Yes it's that bad.

No one in my guild of 20 or so has had any of the problems you mentioned - Go Figure

And it seems your entire guild made it to level 50 without any game breaking bugs Hmmm

Most to all fo the problems you guys have brought up i have not had. Ilum runs great on my computer. I am also not runing a WoW computer. I have a gaming computer. I get very very little lag. No lag in any PvP. I have all my setting on thier highest setting.

Originally posted by bbethel

Most to all fo the problems you guys have brought up i have not had. Ilum runs great on my computer. I am also not runing a WoW computer. I have a gaming computer. I get very very little lag. No lag in any PvP. I have all my setting on thier highest setting.

I don't disagree that some people are able to play the game reasonably.

By the same token, I don't think you should close your eyes to the many people who do have problems.

These people are not a small minority as can be seen in the offical forums and far beyond.

I dare say if there was a class action lawsuit, BW/EA would have real problems trying to justify their "minimum hardware specifications" when they are so far off the mark.

It's not really that the minimum specs don't work for some people, but others with far better specs still have problems.

Legally I should be entitled to a refund since my specs far outweigh those specified.

Originally posted by bbethel

Most to all fo the problems you guys have brought up i have not had. Ilum runs great on my computer. I am also not runing a WoW computer. I have a gaming computer. I get very very little lag. No lag in any PvP. I have all my setting on thier highest setting.

ILLUM is so epic just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fkMKYvZTOw

I have never ever played any sort of mass scale pvp in any game without little hiccups or lag and that's even on games with a engine designed to support mass battles like lineage 2 so I call BS here unless your ILLUM fights are 5 vs 5.. unless you got some video to show i'd be happy to see it

"Get your head out of your ass.  Gamer's expectations are way too high now adays.  It's like a women that wants a man who is a good lover, good looking, smart, funny, has lots of money etc etc etc.....you can't have it all..."

Besides just describing me (ask my wife hehe) my expectations were not too high for SWTOR and STILL the game sucked beyond belief. I not only want my money back - I want that month of my life back.

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by bbethel

Most to all fo the problems you guys have brought up i have not had. Ilum runs great on my computer. I am also not runing a WoW computer. I have a gaming computer. I get very very little lag. No lag in any PvP. I have all my setting on thier highest setting.

I don't disagree that some people are able to play the game reasonably.

By the same token, I don't think you should close your eyes to the many people who do have problems.

These people are not a small minority as can be seen in the offical forums and far beyond.

I dare say if there was a class action lawsuit, BW/EA would have real problems trying to justify their "minimum hardware specifications" when they are so far off the mark.

It's not really that the minimum specs don't work for some people, but others with far better specs still have problems.

Legally I should be entitled to a refund since my specs far outweigh those specified.

All empty rhetoric. You are very clever using words like "some" and "many". The reality is that "most"  were able to play this without serious problems. You might find the game boring or lacking in many aspects, but it was not unplayable or no where nearly as buggy as you make it sound. Also your assumption about class action lawsuit is nothing but air. You can run this game with fairly crappy laptops, and its no fault of Bioware if people do not understand that it probably won't run with highest settings on a machine like that. 

That said, I have had games in the past that simply would not work on my machine. Did not get refunds, nor did I try, but the problems usually were fixed pretty quickly.

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by bbethel

Most to all fo the problems you guys have brought up i have not had. Ilum runs great on my computer. I am also not runing a WoW computer. I have a gaming computer. I get very very little lag. No lag in any PvP. I have all my setting on thier highest setting.

I don't disagree that some people are able to play the game reasonably.

By the same token, I don't think you should close your eyes to the many people who do have problems.

These people are not a small minority as can be seen in the offical forums and far beyond.

I dare say if there was a class action lawsuit, BW/EA would have real problems trying to justify their "minimum hardware specifications" when they are so far off the mark.

It's not really that the minimum specs don't work for some people, but others with far better specs still have problems.

Legally I should be entitled to a refund since my specs far outweigh those specified.

All empty rhetoric. You are very clear using words like "some" and "many". The reality is that "most"  were able to play this without serious problems. You might find the game boring or lacking in many aspects, but it was not unplayable or no where nearly as buggy as you make it sound. Also your assumption about class action lawsuit is nothing but air. You can run this game with fairly crappy laptops, and its no fault of Bioware if people do not understand that it probably won't run with highest settings on a machine like that. 

That said, I have had games in the past that simply would not work on my machine. Did not get refunds, nor did I try, but the problems usually were fixed pretty quickly.

 

You sound as if myself and everyone else are trying to run beyond our specs.

Far from it lol. I run a game to what feels an acceptablly responsive FPS, disregarding any graphics fluff.

I can't set SWTOR any lower than it is and I haven't even whined about the graphics other than to say most current games are technically superior in that department. It's not as high on my list as playability.

Originally posted by Four0Six

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by thexrated
  

You know what tech support suggests?  They say they are aware of those specific bugs and are "working on it."  In the meantime, why not abandon the quest and start over to see if that fixes it.  O_O   WTF.....who wants to do THAT?

Ummm, I must be old. This approach has been used to quite some sucess over the years, in many a MMO.

 

Frankly that responce makes you look lazy.

Lazy?  In a GAME?  Okaaaay.  No, actually the quest is just really damn long and flocking boring as shit.  I don't care for repeating it.  THEY should get less lazy and fix their lousy game.  With all the things that are wrong with it, I don't suppose two bugged quests are going to rank very high.  Probably would be better for me just to move along and leave this game like most everyone else before I get to endgame and get REALLY pissed.

Do you work for Bioware?  And yet you can't figure out why I wouldn't want to repeat a quest?  Amazing.  Maybe if the quests were BETTER.....hello.

I really didn't encounter many bugs until the higher levels in SWTOR. Far as that goes I thought they did a pretty good job outside of Ilum that is. Pretty much an all around disaster far as that planet goes.

The game is missing features galore and their population management is hideous but can't say bugs was really an issue with me when it came to SWTOR.

You weren't too hard on SWTOR, you're just being too easy on TERA. :)

It's your run-of-the-mill "theme park" with an emphasis on a different combat system.

In comparison, SWTOR is your run-of-the-mill "theme park" with an emphasis on story.

I played SWTOR to level 50 and quit; the combat was boring but the story surprisingly kept me going. In TERA, I'm really pushing myself to play on in the 20s, because the narrative is not there and the combat has gotten repetitive.

TERA does look pretty, but even that is mostly surface and not much detail. Actually I'd say SWTOR has more detail in some places. Consider the ground foliage; TERA has very little of it (hence the plastic ground effect) whereas SWTOR has plenty.

But on the bugs front, I'd agree. TERA looks quite polish on that front, whereas SWTOR had some nasty bugs in its first month.

Originally posted by solarine

You weren't too hard on SWTOR, you're just being too easy on TERA. :)

It's your run-of-the-mill "theme park" with an emphasis on a different combat system.

In comparison, SWTOR is your run-of-the-mill "theme park" with an emphasis on story.

I played SWTOR to level 50 and quit; the combat was boring but the story surprisingly kept me going. In TERA, I'm really pushing myself to play on in the 20s, because the narrative is not there and the combat has gotten repetitive.

TERA does look pretty, but even that is mostly surface and not much detail. Actually I'd say SWTOR has more detail in some places. Consider the ground foliage; TERA has very little of it (hence the plastic ground effect) whereas SWTOR has plenty.

But on the bugs front, I'd agree. TERA looks quite polish on that front, whereas SWTOR had some nasty nasty bugs in its first month.

 

i agree people being too easy on TERA.. I'm very dissapointed in TOR and even though TERA has much better graphics(in my opinion) I still feel TOR is a better game.

Honestly outside of combat gameplay and graphics nothing stands out at all to me about TERA. Can't say that game overall interests me in the least.

I should point out that this thread wasn't supposed to be a SWTOR vs TERA.

TERA is very pretty, runs great on my computer and is seemingly bug free, much like my experience in RIFT.

I don't actually see myself buying TERA, I was simply comparing the two with regards to polish because a lot of people seem to think you need a game to be out for 7 years before polish can be achieved. That is simply not the case.

Originally posted by jacklo

I should point out that this thread wasn't supposed to be a SWTOR vs TERA.

TERA is very pretty, runs great on my computer and is seemingly bug free, much like my experience in RIFT.

I don't actually see myself buying TERA, I was simply comparing the two with regards to polish because a lot of people seem to think you need a game to be out for 7 years before polish can be achieved. That is simply not the case.

 

Tera has been out in Korea for about a year IIRC.

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by Worstluck

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 I don't know if you were too hard on the game as I haven't read your previous posts, but it's ok to be upset with how that game turned out imo.  I started watching that game in 2008, have been a life long Star Wars fan since I saw Return of the Jedi in the theaters in 1983 (Which was the FIRST movie I ever saw in a theater, I was very young, but remember it like it was yeseterday), played every Star Wars video game pretty much...and I even quit after a month.  It was a rather disappointing game for as well.

 The Empire Strikes back was the first movie I ever saw in a theatre (beat EPi 6 by a mile IMO), but I never bought into the TOR hype. I never felt like the whole light side - dark side thing fit particularly well in a 2 faction WoW straightjacket. In Q&A/presentation sessions I also just saw too many people that sounded like salesmen that didn't believe in their own product. I still think not buying the title was the right decision for an old SW enthousiast.

I have you beat, i was there for the first  movie, but you hit the nail on the head. Star Wars is just to big and indepth to have a mmo set up the way Bioware did it. It's needs an open galaxy so to speak. Smugglers should be able to smuggle and choose who to smuggle for just like bounty hunters should be able to hunt  for whoever has the most credit. Lightsided jedi should be able to fall to the darkside and switch sides, just as sith should find the light and switch as well. Players should be able to create and have out of combat tools and systems to be able to sell, entertain and do many other things to actually make the planets come alive.  TOR could have been so much more, but Bioware chose to dwell in mediocrity.

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by Worstluck

*snip*

 I don't know if you were too hard on the game as I haven't read your previous posts, but it's ok to be upset with how that game turned out imo.  I started watching that game in 2008, have been a life long Star Wars fan since I saw Return of the Jedi in the theaters in 1983 (Which was the FIRST movie I ever saw in a theater, I was very young, but remember it like it was yeseterday), played every Star Wars video game pretty much...and I even quit after a month.  It was a rather disappointing game for as well.

 The Empire Strikes back was the first movie I ever saw in a theatre (beat EPi 6 by a mile IMO), but I never bought into the TOR hype. I never felt like the whole light side - dark side thing fit particularly well in a 2 faction WoW straightjacket. In Q&A/presentation sessions I also just saw too many people that sounded like salesmen that didn't believe in their own product. I still think not buying the title was the right decision for an old SW enthousiast.

I have you beat, i was there for the first  movie, but you hit the nail on the head. Star Wars is just to big and indepth to have a mmo set up the way Bioware did it. It's needs an open galaxy so to speak. Smugglers should be able to smuggle and choose who to smuggle for just like bounty hunters should be able to hunt  for whoever has the most credit. Lightsided jedi should be able to fall to the darkside and switch sides, just as sith should find the light and switch as well. Players should be able to create and have out of combat tools and systems to be able to sell, entertain and do many other things to actually make the planets come alive.  TOR could have been so much more, but Bioware chose to dwell in mediocrity.

I was also there for the first movie :)

In it's time, it was ground breaking, something a younger audience wouldn't appreciate in these days of CGI.

This game doesn't feel like Star Wars at all in my opinion. This IP is worth so much more.

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by Worstluck

*snip*

 I don't know if you were too hard on the game as I haven't read your previous posts, but it's ok to be upset with how that game turned out imo.  I started watching that game in 2008, have been a life long Star Wars fan since I saw Return of the Jedi in the theaters in 1983 (Which was the FIRST movie I ever saw in a theater, I was very young, but remember it like it was yeseterday), played every Star Wars video game pretty much...and I even quit after a month.  It was a rather disappointing game for as well.

 The Empire Strikes back was the first movie I ever saw in a theatre (beat EPi 6 by a mile IMO), but I never bought into the TOR hype. I never felt like the whole light side - dark side thing fit particularly well in a 2 faction WoW straightjacket. In Q&A/presentation sessions I also just saw too many people that sounded like salesmen that didn't believe in their own product. I still think not buying the title was the right decision for an old SW enthousiast.

I have you beat, i was there for the first  movie, but you hit the nail on the head. Star Wars is just to big and indepth to have a mmo set up the way Bioware did it. It's needs an open galaxy so to speak. Smugglers should be able to smuggle and choose who to smuggle for just like bounty hunters should be able to hunt  for whoever has the most credit. Lightsided jedi should be able to fall to the darkside and switch sides, just as sith should find the light and switch as well. Players should be able to create and have out of combat tools and systems to be able to sell, entertain and do many other things to actually make the planets come alive.  TOR could have been so much more, but Bioware chose to dwell in mediocrity.

I was also there for the first movie :)

In it's time, it was ground breaking, something a younger audience wouldn't appreciate in these days of CGI.

This game doesn't feel like Star Wars at all in my opinion. This IP is worth so much more.

and this is why so many people are getting so crazy over how this game turned out.. if it was just another no name IP like tabula rasa I'm sure it would of dissapeared into nothingness just as that game did.

I have wanted to play a game like musicman described since online gaming first started and now we are in the age were it's very possible and the technology is there yet this is all bioware could come up with... 

I love reading peoples responses to SWTOR being a great game because it launched with so much. Or the famous WoW didn't have bg's tactic. Lol it is 2012 dumbies, all mmo's have to meet a certain criteria. The year is no longer 2004, 2008 or w/e reference point you want to use in mmo launching. There are now certain things gamers should expect because the technology we have can support it. Spending 300 mil on an mmo and not having an endgame would be seriously bad. SWTOR did have endgame and bgs yes thats right. They were just riddle with bugs/exploits. That is why people complain and make fun of it as being a steaming pile of poo.