FYI the now defunked 2Moons ( based on Dekaron ) had a "Jail" system as well.   This was the first time I had seen one implemented for PK.  I don't remember the details of the system.

The idea is good, but the hard thing is probably to balance when you should be thrown in there. Too many points and jail will have no impact at all, too few and they will just get annoying.

But I guessthey will have it balanced up pretty good before we see an english client.

Like the guy said this game wont hit us for a very long time. sad face. moving on.

Forensic Evaluation

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

So let me get this straight...

Someone spends a day or even a week collectings stuff...

Then someone comes along and steals it all in 10 minutes...

Even if he gets caught, he only has to spends 30 minutes in jail?

The items do not get returned to the original owner. So you do the jail time but get the loot. There's pk points then there's 'permanent'(or long-term) pk points which you get if you continue being a dick. Permanent PK points you have to work off through a quest that can take a while and it only removes some of them.

So your'e either going to have to guard your farm yourself or pay a Mercenary clan to do it for you

pretty much what psycho pigeon said is correct if you pk steal players so much  most of your criminal record which is  your pk criminal points)will be stuck on your character. You would have to do some grnding to get rid some of your criminal record. You will also not be able to shop in towns and such. Youd have to go to pirate isle to wash away some pk points.

Before handing these bloodmarks/footprints in can you see the name of the character involved? I would like the opportunity to keep the inciminating items and impose some real justice, preferably with the items on me not letting it effect my own criminal record.

Originally posted by MustaphaMond

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

So let me get this straight...

Someone spends a day or even a week collectings stuff...

Then someone comes along and steals it all in 10 minutes...

Even if he gets caught, he only has to spends 30 minutes in jail?

 

Where does it say "full loot"?

and even if it did say f"full loot", if you spent a week collecting something and kept it all on your character, you probably deserve to lose it anyway.

Originally posted by Bobbie203

Crime


When you collect over 100 crime points and you die or log off and on again you will find yourself in jail! It takes a fair bit of killing/stealing to find yourself in jail so you've got lots of room to explore your evil side. When in jail you get a debuff that lasts 30 minutes that prevents you from using any skills or teleporting. For the first 10 minutes in jail you are stuck in a jail cell. After that time the door opens and you are let out to explore the jail. There are some boxes you can break open to obtain the various pieces of the prisoner uniform. There's also a soccer field with a ball to kick around and a scoreboard to keep you and your fellow inmates entertained. If you don't like kicking a soccer ball you can kick the rats that are roaming around. If you kick enough of them they will eventually drop a key! This key can be used to open the door of a tower that contains a bunch of chests inside it. The chests give you a parachute (the icon looks like one anyway) that you can use to escape. So you climb to the top of the tower (has to be done on the outside of it using a very narrow spiral ramp making you risk falling down and dieing) and use the parachute. The parachute is really just a glider but it forces you in the direction you were facing when you launched it. It lasts for 10 seconds so you better have aimed it well enough to land in the water, otherwise you will fall and land on the ground and die (the jail is located on an island and is pretty much like Alcatraz). Unfortunately, since the debuff lasts 30 minutes you still can't really do anything if you escape from jail. You can summon your boat but you can't use it. I'm hoping they change this before the game hits retail

Major spoiler, dude.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Before handing these bloodmarks/footprints in can you see the name of the character involved? I would like the opportunity to keep the inciminating items and impose some real justice, preferably with the items on me not letting it effect my own criminal record.

The 'evidence' lasts 1 hour before decaying, not enough for a real blackmail oppurtunity.  But a personal side record is more than possible.

As to the above comment about did I have a source for the exile 'Pirate' status, yes, including the 3K point number, however it was on the goha.ru site in one of their daily posts, I will look for it, but I will need to translate and re-read like the latest 10-15 days, each of which has a 5-8 page thread, in russian... /sigh

Originally posted by spankybus

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

So let me get this straight...

Someone spends a day or even a week collectings stuff...

Then someone comes along and steals it all in 10 minutes...

Even if he gets caught, he only has to spends 30 minutes in jail?

 

With thiis question, I would suggest that items can be 'marked' when purchased by their new owner. If you are caught and sent to Jail, any marked items in your possession get returned to the original owner via in-game mail system.

The items 'Stolen', which leave footprints, are going to be things grown like trees and plants.  So it doesn't make sense these types of things would be marked with your name.

If you lost items from being killed, again the items are crafting materials and not actual items so the same would still apply.

How long before the number of prison visits becomes a badge of honor among griefers?

Possible - they will be punished none-the-less though.

Originally posted by Dredphyre

How long before the number of prison visits becomes a badge of honor among griefers?

Not long.

And to the person who mentioned bounties, just ask Raph Koster and any pre-Trammel UO player how much of a deterrent a bounty system is: http://gdcvault.com/play/1015142/It-s-All-Games-Now (see 43:15 - 43:55)

Originally posted by MustaphaMond

Originally posted by Dredphyre

How long before the number of prison visits becomes a badge of honor among griefers?

 

Not long.

 

And to the person who mentioned bounties, just ask Raph Koster and any pre-Trammel UO player how much of a deterrent a bounty system is: http://gdcvault.com/play/1015142/It-s-All-Games-Now (see 43:15 - 43:55)

I'm watching the entire clip. Thanks for this.

Originally posted by Bobbie203

Crime

Killing someone from the other continent can be done without penalty. However, if you decide to attack someone from your continent, you will spatter blood which will give you crime points. If you kill them then the blood will give you more crime points. Witnesses to the crime can pick up the blood and submit it (just click on it in your inventory) and report it. Blood is currently not trade-able.

If somebody was daring enough to plant things outside of their protected area you are free to steal them! If you decide to steal something from someone else though, you will leave behind footprints for each item you steal! (you are given a pop-up window to confirm that you do infact want to steal their stuff). Players can pick up these footprints and report you for the crime. Footprints disappear over time but I'm not sure how long it takes for this to happen. It's definitely less than a day though. If you want to be really sneaky you can scrub away your footprints or blood using a consumable item (a broom) so that others can't report you. However, if you stole enough to really aggravate them then they have the opportunity to play detective. They get a consumable (powder of some sort) that they can throw over a certain area to reveal footprints/blood that have been hidden.

When you collect over 100 crime points and you die or log off and on again you will find yourself in jail! It takes a fair bit of killing/stealing to find yourself in jail so you've got lots of room to explore your evil side. When in jail you get a debuff that lasts 30 minutes that prevents you from using any skills or teleporting. For the first 10 minutes in jail you are stuck in a jail cell. After that time the door opens and you are let out to explore the jail. There are some boxes you can break open to obtain the various pieces of the prisoner uniform. There's also a soccer field with a ball to kick around and a scoreboard to keep you and your fellow inmates entertained. If you don't like kicking a soccer ball you can kick the rats that are roaming around. If you kick enough of them they will eventually drop a key! This key can be used to open the door of a tower that contains a bunch of chests inside it. The chests give you a parachute (the icon looks like one anyway) that you can use to escape. So you climb to the top of the tower (has to be done on the outside of it using a very narrow spiral ramp making you risk falling down and dieing) and use the parachute. The parachute is really just a glider but it forces you in the direction you were facing when you launched it. It lasts for 10 seconds so you better have aimed it well enough to land in the water, otherwise you will fall and land on the ground and die (the jail is located on an island and is pretty much like Alcatraz). Unfortunately, since the debuff lasts 30 minutes you still can't really do anything if you escape from jail. You can summon your boat but you can't use it. I'm hoping they change this before the game hits retail

This wont change a damn thing. omg i got to spend 15 mins escaping jail.  woopty do.  Unless there severely punished  to the point of almost losing there toon or everything they own then it wont change a damn thing.

Originally posted by Bobbie203

Crime

Killing someone from the other continent can be done without penalty. However, if you decide to attack someone from your continent, you will spatter blood which will give you crime points. If you kill them then the blood will give you more crime points. Witnesses to the crime can pick up the blood and submit it (just click on it in your inventory) and report it. Blood is currently not trade-able.

If somebody was daring enough to plant things outside of their protected area you are free to steal them! If you decide to steal something from someone else though, you will leave behind footprints for each item you steal! (you are given a pop-up window to confirm that you do infact want to steal their stuff). Players can pick up these footprints and report you for the crime. Footprints disappear over time but I'm not sure how long it takes for this to happen. It's definitely less than a day though. If you want to be really sneaky you can scrub away your footprints or blood using a consumable item (a broom) so that others can't report you. However, if you stole enough to really aggravate them then they have the opportunity to play detective. They get a consumable (powder of some sort) that they can throw over a certain area to reveal footprints/blood that have been hidden.

When you collect over 100 crime points and you die or log off and on again you will find yourself in jail! It takes a fair bit of killing/stealing to find yourself in jail so you've got lots of room to explore your evil side. When in jail you get a debuff that lasts 30 minutes that prevents you from using any skills or teleporting. For the first 10 minutes in jail you are stuck in a jail cell. After that time the door opens and you are let out to explore the jail. There are some boxes you can break open to obtain the various pieces of the prisoner uniform. There's also a soccer field with a ball to kick around and a scoreboard to keep you and your fellow inmates entertained. If you don't like kicking a soccer ball you can kick the rats that are roaming around. If you kick enough of them they will eventually drop a key! This key can be used to open the door of a tower that contains a bunch of chests inside it. The chests give you a parachute (the icon looks like one anyway) that you can use to escape. So you climb to the top of the tower (has to be done on the outside of it using a very narrow spiral ramp making you risk falling down and dieing) and use the parachute. The parachute is really just a glider but it forces you in the direction you were facing when you launched it. It lasts for 10 seconds so you better have aimed it well enough to land in the water, otherwise you will fall and land on the ground and die (the jail is located on an island and is pretty much like Alcatraz). Unfortunately, since the debuff lasts 30 minutes you still can't really do anything if you escape from jail. You can summon your boat but you can't use it. I'm hoping they change this before the game hits retail

Edit: sorry double posted =(  so ill add one mroe thing.

This is almost like a vaction from griefing  you get a 30 min debuff aww to bad.   Death penelty ( perma)  is a nice  punishment not a 30 min debuff.