How can you argue this ?.....It's not the players choosing this direction, it's absolutely clear Blizzard set up the structure to encourage it.

- All good gear when leveling is given in dungeons.

-All exp and leveling is given in dungeons and open world,  BUT much more in dungeons

- They changed around the open world enough to make it different for returning players. Yet Blizzard encourages dungeons.

WHY !!

1) Is it to get players out of zones for performance issues.....Well this can't be it because everyone is in the lobby cities of Stormwind or Orgamar.....Why ?....I don't know !.....I would like to see the community make a come back.  But what we have is a blow off to guilds and servers to play a lobby game.

You haven't played SWTOR, obviously.

We're begging for a dungeon finder, otherwise, flash-points (dungeons) pretty much don't get done by a group of random people.

Big-time buzz-kill for alot of folks.

Enjoy your dungeon finder.

I like the tool, it makes finding a group easy. 

What i don't like is how they made it so you can instantly warp to the instance from anywhere in the world. You should have to travel to to like you used to as it populates the world and leads to world PVP.  Now with flying mounts it's easier than ever to get around the world, though I think being able to fly in an MMO kills the world as well. 

Originally posted by SaalVek

You haven't played SWTOR, obviously.

 

We're begging for a dungeon finder, otherwise, flash-points (dungeons) pretty much don't get done by a group of random people.

 

Big-time buzz-kill for alot of folks.

 

Enjoy your dungeon finder.

people at swtor are begging server merges.

seems like crafting is getting some kind of revamp,you think lfg tool from wow will make peeps items sell better on empty servers,i dont think so,it will make it even more disaster.

i was looking at lotro the other day and one thing stood out..once you get these lazy tools in-game ,the game becomes static.most people standing around Galtrev..what worse they encourage you to use it by giving you health buffs and such.personally i like the vanguard way..get there by yourself,well it was last time i checked.unless they have destroyed that as well.

Originally posted by delete5230

How can you argue this ?.....It's not the players choosing this direction, it's absolutely clear Blizzard set up the structure to encourage it.

- All good gear when leveling is given in dungeons.

-All exp and leveling is given in dungeons and open world,  BUT much more in dungeons

- They changed around the open world enough to make it different for returning players. Yet Blizzard encourages dungeons.

 

WHY !!

1) Is it to get players out of zones for performance issues.....Well this can't be it because everyone is in the lobby cities of Stormwind or Orgamar.....Why ?....I don't know !.....I would like to see the community make a come back.  But what we have is a blow off to guilds and servers to play a lobby game.

You've certainly got logic and common sense on your side. 

Almost every design choice Blizz has made as the game has evolved has catered more and more to solo oriented players, and has made any sense of community almost non existant. 

Still don't blame them.  Blame the players who buy into this crap.  I could never be held by WoW longer than a month, but somehow millions and millions are. 

Originally posted by delete5230

How can you argue this ?.....It's not the players choosing this direction, it's absolutely clear Blizzard set up the structure to encourage it.

- All good gear when leveling is given in dungeons.

-All exp and leveling is given in dungeons and open world,  BUT much more in dungeons

- They changed around the open world enough to make it different for returning players. Yet Blizzard encourages dungeons.

 

WHY !!

1) Is it to get players out of zones for performance issues.....Well this can't be it because everyone is in the lobby cities of Stormwind or Orgamar.....Why ?....I don't know !.....I would like to see the community make a come back.  But what we have is a blow off to guilds and servers to play a lobby game.

ALSO

Making Auto cross-server LFG tool , give them excuse to NOT merge servers (yeah apart of packed servers there are alot deserted / dead ones - just go read server forums at WoW forums) - which is good for marketing as merging is viewed (bit unjustly imo) as failing BUT what is MORE important Blizzard is earning INSANE AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR CHARACTER / GUILD paid server transfers from low pop / dead servers to better pop ones. 

He does not have to merge them cause of cross-server LFG and at same time many ppl / guilds want to transfer. 

Money-printing mechanic / business.

Because it's an improvement over spamming the LFG channel all the time and an official grouping tool so you can bypass all the potential idiots in the community you'd have to deal with. On the flip side, it also has a negative effect on the positive aspects of community interaction when it comes to creating groups AND it has bred its own group of undesirables who don't say a word during a dungeon and bail out at the first chance because, hey, they can re-join the queue again anyway.

LFG Tool is not bad by itself, it's the combination of other things things such as people having nothing to do except camping in cities and waiting for LFG to find them a group.

Lowest common denominator.

That's why.

No one actually wants to work for anything anymore.  They can't even be bothered to gather at a dungeon entrance.  They can't be bothered to travel to a battleground.  Hell, there are some games with LFG quest finders built into the dungeon finder.  Players can't even be bothered to travel to a quest area.  I think it's pathetic. 

This is why I don't play MMO's anymore.  The companies make multiplayer lobby games and the players eat it up like sheep.  No wonder they get bored with the content so easily, you can skip through 90% of the game world instantly.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by delete5230

How can you argue this ?.....It's not the players choosing this direction, it's absolutely clear Blizzard set up the structure to encourage it.

- All good gear when leveling is given in dungeons.

-All exp and leveling is given in dungeons and open world,  BUT much more in dungeons

- They changed around the open world enough to make it different for returning players. Yet Blizzard encourages dungeons.

 

WHY !!

1) Is it to get players out of zones for performance issues.....Well this can't be it because everyone is in the lobby cities of Stormwind or Orgamar.....Why ?....I don't know !.....I would like to see the community make a come back.  But what we have is a blow off to guilds and servers to play a lobby game.

ALSO

 

Making Auto cross-server LFG tool , give them excuse to NOT merge servers (yeah apart of packed servers there are alot deserted / dead ones - just go read server forums at WoW forums) - which is good for marketing as merging is viewed (bit unjustly imo) as failing BUT what is MORE important Blizzard is earning INSANE AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR CHARACTER / GUILD paid server transfers from low pop / dead servers to better pop ones. 

He does not have to merge them cause of cross-server LFG and at same time many ppl / guilds want to transfer. 

Money-printing mechanic / business.

No to merge servers, you may have a point !......

Hub game like swtor,people still need x-server lfg tool?they cant find each other even when they are all standing at the same room??

 give them LFG tool and fast and keep those peeps away from other games.

Dungeon finder, is good tool.  A tool that teleports you to dungeon and does the group searching for you, AND filters out low geared characters, AND almost always provides the magical 1 tank, 1 healer rest dps ratio, while you're checking auction house, or watching a video or something. Thats MMO players' wet dream right there.

Thats the problem, its just too good. World becomes empty, because you don't need to go out of the cities now. Just queue, do the dungeon and queue again. This is just too much power for players to have. There's no way players can use this without abusing the hell out of it.

SW:TOR problem, is caused by population in my opinion. Same thing happened with Conan, Warhammer and Aion as well. Cross server dungeon finder isn't the solution, its a band-aid to an open would. They need to condense the servers.

Ultimately, the dungeon defender like tools should only work in conjuction with the world, instead of working around it.

Blizzards case is a little bit different, they're actively trying to convert WoW from an open seamless world to an instanced single player world, largely because its much easier to control EVERYTHING that way. Phasing was a precursor, breadcrumb questing style of revamp of the entire world was another. Battlegrounds, wintergrasp etc, they are all easily controllable and quantifyable mechanics. Dungeon finder fits perfectly into this scheme, as it removes any need to rely on the game world except for the most basic needs such as gathering or achievement hunting.

There are variety of possible reasons why they want this, maybe its power creep, maybe not, I don't know (and don't care at this point).

Cause it is awesome?!

Yes, it was so fun to sit in IF for 3 hours to do BRD! /sarcasm.

Originally posted by jpnz

Cause it is awesome?!

Yes, it was so fun to sit in IF for 3 hours to do BRD! /sarcasm.

And this is the major problem of next-gen-mmo-RPG-players.

why didnt you all go to BRD entrance?

and look team there,do some pvp agains opposite faction who comes to look team also,and great amount of possibilities.

Some people enjoy playing the game, You are not forced to use LFG tool. It makes it faster to find a group.

Like said before the thing I don't like is the fact you can just instantly jump in and out, The group should be made to meet up and make there way to the entrance. That said all that side is still there for raiding.

I'm Enjoying Warcraft again anyway.

Originally posted by jpnz

Cause it is awesome?!

Yes, it was so fun to sit in IF for 3 hours to do BRD! /sarcasm.

When I played I found it a helpful tool as I was in a small guild and many times it was hard to get a group. At the same time we no longer tried to get a guild group, everyone just chatted and waited for a dungeon or BG to pop. So I can see both sides of the debate. My friends and I used DF but it seemed to drive a wedge between members as well.

Originally posted by ForumPvP

Originally posted by jpnz

Cause it is awesome?!

Yes, it was so fun to sit in IF for 3 hours to do BRD! /sarcasm.

And this is the major problem of next-gen-mmo-RPG-players.

why didnt you all go to BRD entrance?

and look team there,do some pvp agains opposite faction who comes to look team also,and great amount of possibilities.

 

'Majory problem' eh? Wow!

How I spend my time and how I play a game I paid for is my prerogative and not a 'problem' last I checked. 

Yeah, cause BRD enterance had so many people there!  /sarcasm

Did you play WoW back in vanilla days?

You seem to be someone that enjoys trying to get a group together for 3 hours, good for you.

I personally don't so I'll use the dungeon finder to do the 'content'. And last I checked, the majority does not find the whole '3 hour to make group' to be enjoyable.

If you really gave it some thought you would know why

Blizzard has always aimed to take B out of the A > B > C equation

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by ForumPvP

Originally posted by jpnz

Cause it is awesome?!

Yes, it was so fun to sit in IF for 3 hours to do BRD! /sarcasm.

And this is the major problem of next-gen-mmo-RPG-players.

why didnt you all go to BRD entrance?

and look team there,do some pvp agains opposite faction who comes to look team also,and great amount of possibilities.

 

'Majory problem' eh? Wow!

How I spend my time and how I play a game I paid for is my prerogative and not a 'problem' last I checked. 

 I think its ok if you enjoy sitting 3 hours and spent real money for,if you like that stuff.

Yeah, cause BRD enterance had so many people there!  /sarcasm

of course not bacause people like you were spending time like they like at sitting at IF.

Did you play WoW back in vanilla days?

yes.

You seem to be someone that enjoys trying to get a group together for 3 hours, good for you.

you dont know what group is,you know what is lfg tool.

I personally don't so I'll use the dungeon finder to do the 'content'. And last I checked, the majority does not find the whole '3 hour to make group' to be enjoyable.

to you content is sitting at IF and dungeon,to me its the whole world map.