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  games72

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3/02/12 1:50:01 PM#41

I think Creslin nailed it... I was hoping for some good news that might get me to re-sub at the end of my current time but not seeing it.

Many things frustrating about pvp in this game but three things that could help:

1) Penalty for leaving early.  I can now spot who is a "ragequitter" on my server and sure enough if my team gets down at the start those people leave the ops group immediately, leaving my group short handed.

2) Get some brackets... or something to seperate the new from vet.  Yeah that's great the stats are leveled and all but the fact is an entry level character doesn't know how to play their class as well as a higher level.  I got tired of low levels that had no idea how to play their class as a team - only knew how to spam their 3 or 4 abilities running around out in the open or on balconies, trying  to top the charts for dps while our team lost. 

3) "WZ will cancel if no more join" and then a few people join shortly into the game so it doesn't cancel - but by then your team is already down 1-0 or lost 2 nodes, etc and has to fight the uphill battle.  How can this happen when the waiting times are either instant or less than a few minutes???

  RizelStar

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3/02/12 4:48:50 PM#42
Aside from bashing the op and arguing amongst each other does any one have anything or know anything that'll counter this? Pissed one of my friends off but I told him there might be a good reason for this.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Garvon3

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3/02/12 4:53:17 PM#43
Originally posted by Worstluck
Originally posted by MosesZD

I wonder if any of these BioWare employees ever played an MMO that PvP...   

 

Yes.  Warhammer Online.  That worked out great!

Warhammer had much better PvP than most games. THe PvP in this game was run by Bioware, not Mythic.

  Deewe

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3/02/12 6:52:37 PM#44

I'm not a great fan of PvP even if I had my share in others MMO but seriously Gabe is either clueless about PvP in MMO or has serious misscommunication issues.

  Dreadblade

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3/02/12 7:13:26 PM#45

Well after watching that video I now know why the PvP system, valor farming, no choice WZ's, and that amazing (cough, cough) planet called Ilum utterly failed, these guys are clueless about PvP. I am not even going to get into the banning of people because as you can see they actually could give two shits about the kill farming. I mean if they did you think they might have stopped it you know maybe after 2 weeks instead of 2 months.

I mean I guess copying and pasting another MMO is a bit harder then they imagined it would be.

Such a fail PvP system with fail devs, just saying..............

 

 

  spaceport

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3/02/12 8:01:42 PM#46
SWTOR is probably the WOW clone with worst PVP ever.

 

World PVP is dead thanks to Bioware (different levels for the same planets kills any kind of OWPVP, bad game design)

 

Outlaws Den is a pointless joke, and it's also dead.

 

Terribad BG's, huttball.... LOOOL

 

Illium..... roflmao, big big fail.

 

Hell... even LOTRO had better PVP, which is just sad because LOTRO's PVP sucked big time.

 

Crafting also ended up being a complete joke.... this game is made for quest grinders, everything else is terribad / average at best.


"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
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  Cetra

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Joined: 3/05/04
Posts: 346

3/02/12 8:57:28 PM#47
Originally posted by spaceport
SWTOR is probably the WOW clone with worst PVP ever.

 

World PVP is dead thanks to Bioware (different levels for the same planets kills any kind of OWPVP, bad game design)

 

Outlaws Den is a pointless joke, and it's also dead.

 

Terribad BG's, huttball.... LOOOL

 

Illium..... roflmao, big big fail.

 

Hell... even LOTRO had better PVP, which is just sad because LOTRO's PVP sucked big time.

 

Crafting also ended up being a complete joke.... this game is made for quest grinders, everything else is terribad / average at best.

agreed with all above.

for pvp fans, swtor is a huge disappointment.

ilum is a failure as we know.

3 boring bland simplistic warzones

DEAD WORLD PVP

Love all the crap talk by bioware on how they love pvp and having a dedicated team developing pvp content.

swtor pvp is absolute garbage

  Dreadblade

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3/02/12 9:02:03 PM#48

I think the dedicated team is dedicated on making themselves look like morons and it had worked just fine :P

  Games888

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3/02/12 9:14:58 PM#49

how can pvp not the focus of starwars is beyond me.

 

  Tardcore

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3/02/12 9:39:56 PM#50

I'm absolutely aghast after watching that. I mean don't get me wrong, I think the cinematic and quest making teams did an excellent job. But the actual guys working on the MM F*CKING O part of the game!? Five f*cking years. F I V E ! ! ! What the f*ck were they doing that entire time!? Did Bioware just leave those guys hanging around until the last minute to fill in the R E S T of the game like a stoned freshmen trying to overnight a term paper!? The mind f*cking boggles.

 

 

 

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  ArgoZex77

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Joined: 8/27/07
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3/02/12 9:42:04 PM#51

WHAT PVP? Thank you Bioware for ruining my favorite Franchise. Stick to Single Player games thats what got you to the dance. MMOs YOU FUCKING SUCK AT

  RizelStar

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3/02/12 9:55:48 PM#52
Originally posted by Games888

how can pvp not the focus of starwars is beyond me.

 

I wonder this almost everyday, it's very odd you know? 

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Chieftan

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Posts: 1416

3/03/12 7:54:27 AM#53
Originally posted by Teala

Is it any wonder that the PvP in this game is in such bad shape?  Watch this video and listen  to the guy in charge.

PvP Lead  Design Interview  <<< clicky

At 5:07 in the video he discusses kill trading.  Sad.

So Teala I'm asking again: what's your experience been with SWTOR PVP?  What's it been like for you?  Fun, not fun?

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  Atlan99

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3/03/12 10:12:49 AM#54
Originally posted by Chieftan
Originally posted by Teala

Is it any wonder that the PvP in this game is in such bad shape?  Watch this video and listen  to the guy in charge.

PvP Lead  Design Interview  <<< clicky

At 5:07 in the video he discusses kill trading.  Sad.

So Teala I'm asking again: what's your experience been with SWTOR PVP?  What's it been like for you?  Fun, not fun?

I would imagine it's a little heavy on the trolling. At least on her end.

  Coltaine00

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Joined: 2/27/12
Posts: 50

3/03/12 10:46:44 AM#55

Where were all the tough questions:

I.E. What are your plans for open world PvP in general since the ilum daily changes are just a bandaid?

How are you going to fix IlumPvP with it being the laggiest POS any MMO company has ever developed?

Your warzones and PvP are pretty much a rehash of other games - are you planning to add innovation anytime soon?

Are you going to add more knockbacks and CC to the game, since obviously there isn't enough.

 

  Tardcore

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3/03/12 10:47:58 PM#56
Originally posted by Coltaine00

Where were all the tough questions:

I.E. What are your plans for open world PvP in general since the ilum daily changes are just a bandaid?

How are you going to fix IlumPvP with it being the laggiest POS any MMO company has ever developed?

Your warzones and PvP are pretty much a rehash of other games - are you planning to add innovation anytime soon?

Are you going to add more knockbacks and CC to the game, since obviously there isn't enough.

 

Good question. After watching a number of once fervent game supporters on this site change their views over the last couple of months, I'm rather curious what all the professionals who gave this game insanely glowing reviews in the first month think now. Considering this softball interview I'm guessing we will never know.

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  Wickedjelly

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3/03/12 11:24:36 PM#57
Originally posted by Tardcore

Good question. After watching a number of once fervent game supporters on this site change their views over the last couple of months, I'm rather curious what all the professionals who gave this game insanely glowing reviews in the first month think now. Considering this softball interview I'm guessing we will never know.

They don't care. If they did they would have stopped pulling that nonsense when they did it for other games like AOC and Warhammer. Safe to say they don't give a shit if it ends up being their review is grossly overinflated.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  JobeArthur

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3/04/12 9:10:50 AM#58

I really hope Gabe is fired or leaves soon before he adds so much broken crap that they will have to do an NGE type of change to the PVP game..

I am not one to hate over a game but this guy just has no idea what he is doing and i would really hate to see another star wars MMO go down the crapper.

  Scorchien

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3/04/12 9:13:21 AM#59
Originally posted by JobeArthur

I really hope Gabe is fired or leaves soon before he adds so much broken crap that they will have to do an NGE type of change to the PVP game..

I am not one to hate over a game but this guy just has no idea what he is doing and i would really hate to see another star wars MMO go down the crapper.

   +1 in reference to Gabe ...............guy is clueless

 

 

    and to late , its already circling the bowl...

  Dreadblade

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3/04/12 11:10:39 AM#60

I found this interesting video and think is sums up the PvP in SWTOR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmnt0FAGKGE

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