We're a finicky demographic, that's for sure. It's comical how wholeheartedly we embrace the whiney dork stereotype. That's alright, complaints are complaints, each are valid. However, I find it increasingly frustrating when others are completely, and arrogantly, convinced their opinion is correct. With an imperfect mind that has much more on it than simply gaming, do you truly think you have a 100% fail-proof perspective?

 Where is the humility, the feeling that you want to say how you feel but will listen to other's as well? Many times have I found myself biased, many times have I become over confident, but none of those times have had a positive outcome. Because, truly, letting people live how they will live is the hardest but most rewarding thing any of us can do. If this is how you want to be, persist, but at least allow me to show you other ways of handling and giving criticism (without alluding to everyone who disagrees being ignorant).

While I probably will not pick up Tera due to the Asian art style which I loathe, I can respect that they are trying to mix things up. The combat is intriguing and I'd definitely give it a shot if I had access to beta. If I wasn't so strapped for cash, I'd play it at launch - unless it's a F2P model,then I'll definitely try it out. I'll have to look into that more...

Originally posted by Arnoagns

We're a finicky demographic, that's for sure. It's comical how wholeheartedly we embrace the whiney dork stereotype. That's alright, complaints are complaints, each are valid. However, I find it increasingly frustrating when others are completely, and arrogantly, convinced their opinion is correct. With an imperfect mind that has much more on it than simply gaming, do you truly think you have a 100% fail-proof perspective?

 Where is the humility, the feeling that you want to say how you feel but will listen to other's as well? Many times have I found myself biased, many times have I become over confident, but none of those times have had a positive outcome. Because, truly, letting people live how they will live is the hardest but most rewarding thing any of us can do. If this is how you want to be, persist, but at least allow me to show you other ways of handling and giving criticism (without alluding to everyone who disagrees being ignorant).

While I probably will not pick up Tera due to the Asian art style which I loathe, I can respect that they are trying to mix things up. The combat is intriguing and I'd definitely give it a shot if I had access to beta. If I wasn't so strapped for cash, I'd play it at launch - unless it's a F2P model,then I'll definitely try it out. I'll have to look into that more...

agree with you. 

you should definetedly try Tera .   if you look for Fun in a mmo, i think you will be very pleased.

   (i'm not too fond of the Asian style iether)

Originally posted by Arnoagns

We're a finicky demographic, that's for sure. It's comical how wholeheartedly we embrace the whiney dork stereotype. That's alright, complaints are complaints, each are valid. However, I find it increasingly frustrating when others are completely, and arrogantly, convinced their opinion is correct. With an imperfect mind that has much more on it than simply gaming, do you truly think you have a 100% fail-proof perspective?

 Where is the humility, the feeling that you want to say how you feel but will listen to other's as well? Many times have I found myself biased, many times have I become over confident, but none of those times have had a positive outcome. Because, truly, letting people live how they will live is the hardest but most rewarding thing any of us can do. If this is how you want to be, persist, but at least allow me to show you other ways of handling and giving criticism (without alluding to everyone who disagrees being ignorant).

While I probably will not pick up Tera due to the Asian art style which I loathe, I can respect that they are trying to mix things up. The combat is intriguing and I'd definitely give it a shot if I had access to beta. If I wasn't so strapped for cash, I'd play it at launch - unless it's a F2P model,then I'll definitely try it out. I'll have to look into that more...

wish more people are open minded like you ^_^ o ya check your pm

Originally posted by Arnoagns

We're a finicky demographic, that's for sure. It's comical how wholeheartedly we embrace the whiney dork stereotype. That's alright, complaints are complaints, each are valid. However, I find it increasingly frustrating when others are completely, and arrogantly, convinced their opinion is correct. With an imperfect mind that has much more on it than simply gaming, do you truly think you have a 100% fail-proof perspective?

 Where is the humility, the feeling that you want to say how you feel but will listen to other's as well? Many times have I found myself biased, many times have I become over confident, but none of those times have had a positive outcome. Because, truly, letting people live how they will live is the hardest but most rewarding thing any of us can do. If this is how you want to be, persist, but at least allow me to show you other ways of handling and giving criticism (without alluding to everyone who disagrees being ignorant).

While I probably will not pick up Tera due to the Asian art style which I loathe, I can respect that they are trying to mix things up. The combat is intriguing and I'd definitely give it a shot if I had access to beta. If I wasn't so strapped for cash, I'd play it at launch - unless it's a F2P model,then I'll definitely try it out. I'll have to look into that more...

Live and let live. Easier said than done and something many take a whole lifetime to get through to their heads. Some will never get it.

It's been tough but certain games I was puzzled  about how anyone could like, I've accepted there are people happy and enjoying it just fine. Let go.

I like how every one of these kinds of threads talkin about AAA titles means jack diddly in MMORPG forums. 

Go to any other forum and see that people love these games for their own reasons.  Why are you trying to ruin their fun? 

Also, complaining about the quest system in MMOs is pointless. Every MMO uses quests, deal with it or find a different genre.

This game is going to turn off casuals very quickly, like in the first couple of hours fast. You pretty much fight the same 3 models of creature for the first 10 levels in the same quest area. The combat is also incredibly boring until you get more abilities. If a game does not grip someone quickly, it won't keep them long. Hidden behind the "action combat" is just another themepark MMO as well. Unless they fix the laggy pvp combat, the animations rooting you, and the pathetic quest design...this game is not going places. With Tera being released a month before TSW and presumably in the same time frame as GW2/D3 it does not stand a chance here in the states.

This is all i've got to say about this thread.........

Developers work very hard to bring us fun & entertainment but we are a very picky lot.   What I like may not be what you like and thats cool, but is it really a reason to start a hate war?

Enjoy what ever game you like and be thankful you found one.

Originally posted by Celcius

This game is going to turn off casuals very quickly, like in the first couple of hours fast. You pretty much fight the same 3 models of creature for the first 10 levels in the same quest area. The combat is also incredibly boring until you get more abilities. If a game does not grip someone quickly, it won't keep them long. Hidden behind the "action combat" is just another themepark MMO as well. Unless they fix the laggy pvp combat, the animations rooting you, and the pathetic quest design...this game is not going places. With Tera being released a month before TSW and presumably in the same time frame as GW2/D3 it does not stand a chance here in the states.

for you perhaps.

  are you miss Cleo the jamaican mind reader that knows what people will like or not?

please tell me i will win the euro million lottery next week while at it.!

i got no interest whatsoever in TSW along with alot of other people i know,  many people will play GW2 along side a subs fee MMO, myself included.   that makes TERA still one of  the only  decent options MMO wise this year.

Originally posted by Celcius

This game is going to turn off casuals very quickly, like in the first couple of hours fast. You pretty much fight the same 3 models of creature for the first 10 levels in the same quest area. The combat is also incredibly boring until you get more abilities. If a game does not grip someone quickly, it won't keep them long. Hidden behind the "action combat" is just another themepark MMO as well. Unless they fix the laggy pvp combat, the animations rooting you, and the pathetic quest design...this game is not going places. With Tera being released a month before TSW and presumably in the same time frame as GW2/D3 it does not stand a chance here in the states.

Regardless what you may think people ARE enjoying the game and more people will follow suit. Can you be happy for them? Can you let us be happy with the game we're having fun with?

You can apply this to any MMO coming out even GW2

Originally posted by Starpower

You can apply this to any MMO coming out even GW2

 Just as applyable to GW2 as TERA imo, maybe even more so, with no gear grind, no endgame PVE and a game based on e-sport PvP you can start from level one I can't see myself playing it for that long considering I go through content quickly and if I dont like the PvP or if it gets boring and I dont have much to stride for(i.e gear), ill just stop playing.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Starpower

You can apply this to any MMO coming out even GW2

 Just as applyable to GW2 as TERA imo, maybe even more so, with no gear grind, no endgame PVE and a game based on e-sport PvP you can start from level one I can't see myself playing it for that long considering I go through content quickly and if I dont like the PvP or if it gets boring and I dont have much to stride for(i.e gear), ill just stop playing.

I still don't get how GW2 could be e-sport, if anything Tera be the closest mmorpg to e-sport with its combat. Even than its iffy.

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Starpower

You can apply this to any MMO coming out even GW2

 Just as applyable to GW2 as TERA imo, maybe even more so, with no gear grind, no endgame PVE and a game based on e-sport PvP you can start from level one I can't see myself playing it for that long considering I go through content quickly and if I dont like the PvP or if it gets boring and I dont have much to stride for(i.e gear), ill just stop playing.

I still don't get how GW2 could be e-sport, if anything Tera be the closest mmorpg to e-sport with its combat. Even than its iffy.

Because (almost) everyone is claiming that GW2 is more action combat paced than TERA. When TERA has been likened to Monster Hunter (and other true action combat games) by many. 

"But but...animation cooldowns suuuuuck *pout*"

Originally posted by NBlitz

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Starpower

You can apply this to any MMO coming out even GW2

 Just as applyable to GW2 as TERA imo, maybe even more so, with no gear grind, no endgame PVE and a game based on e-sport PvP you can start from level one I can't see myself playing it for that long considering I go through content quickly and if I dont like the PvP or if it gets boring and I dont have much to stride for(i.e gear), ill just stop playing.

I still don't get how GW2 could be e-sport, if anything Tera be the closest mmorpg to e-sport with its combat. Even than its iffy.

Because (almost) everyone is claiming that GW2 is more action combat paced than TERA. When TERA has been likened to Monster Hunter by many. 

"But but...animation cooldowns suuuuuck *pout*"

I dont know if wanting to be e-sport is anything to brag about, it essentially boils down to dumbing the game down to its most homogenous state, the only MMO that has been widely successful in e-sports is WoW and that require them to essentially run the whole pvp around a single stat and make it a completely different game when you enter bgs or arenas.

MMOs are not a place for e-sport they are a place for political and massive battles for control of territory ( my opinion ). I already play League of Legends for e-sport.

Originally posted by Celcius

This game is going to turn off casuals very quickly, like in the first couple of hours fast. You pretty much fight the same 3 models of creature for the first 10 levels in the same quest area. The combat is also incredibly boring until you get more abilities. If a game does not grip someone quickly, it won't keep them long. Hidden behind the "action combat" is just another themepark MMO as well. Unless they fix the laggy pvp combat, the animations rooting you, and the pathetic quest design...this game is not going places. With Tera being released a month before TSW and presumably in the same time frame as GW2/D3 it does not stand a chance here in the states.

I think you need to remember that "casual" can also have more to do with time available to play over "new to genre".

There are plenty of people who are casuals who know full well what a "typical" mmo offers.

Also, things like animations rooting you is a good thing in my book as it makes you decide whether to activate that long ability or not.

As far as the themepark aspects go, "yeah" it's a themepark game and a particularly bad one at that. The quests are horrendous and for the most part not worth reading. And this comes from a person who ALWAYS reads the quests. And gladly. This is the first game where I rarely read the quests.

The hook in this game is the combat, the sense of immediacy you get from the combat and the option for a more open pvp world which we haven't seen in quite some time.

Now, having said THAT the real issue is going to be endgame. Keep in mind, I don't believe that these games should be about an end game but many have evolved that way. For this game, players are going to level as fast as they can in order to get the upper hand in pvp. Or, if one is inclined, to do the hardest raid bosses/pve encounters.

And once there how long are they going to want to be there? I know the devs keep touting this political system but where is it? There is talk about it in KTera but I don't see a huge amount of talk for the Western version of the game. Oh, we know it's coming, but when?

If all players get to do until it comes is to gank each other repeatedly then that is going to get old fast.

I suppose we'll have to see.

Well its coming a month or so after release XD i mean you can't have politcal system during beta because you can't even get to lvl cap XD

@rav3n2 i can see the action combat to toward 5v5 and 10v10 as e-sport kinda like 3rd person shooter in a way. WoW could never go e-sport because its numbers, basically who got better number wins. In LoL it was all about map awareness, postioning, twitch, and knowledge of character. Which fits Tera pretty well only difference is Tera has the whole gear thing which i mean can be fix with default gear required for these e-sport competition.

I was basically stating GW2 PvP is e-sport because everyone is supposed to be almost equal and gear doesn't matter at all apparently, also you can "roll".

Originally posted by Pivotelite

I was basically stating GW2 PvP is e-sport because everyone is supposed to be almost equal and gear doesn't matter at all apparently, also you can "roll".

roll as in use roll skill lol? Also i don't think equal mean e-sport, i mean auto target in the game pretty much kill any chance of e-sport. All skill go out the window when your attacks hom.

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Maxing lvl doesn't mean you get anywhere, you can max lvl but to compete with anyone your going to need cash shop most of the period. As for as WoW cash shop all i know is they offer like character transfer and allience changes? Not sure what other there is. TSW not even out, and Chronoscroll allow people to play for free, which is not cash shop, and RMT is to prevent gold selling. Never said there be any difference, its personal choice, if you don't feel that its worth 15 dollar a month don't play, many of us here feel it is and we will pay that 15 dollar a month. Our problem not yours.

GW2 will not be pay2win.   All end game items will have the same stats.   There will not be some super rare Holy Sword of Pwnz that will offer stat advantages over less rare weapons.   Just like in GW1, once you hit max level getting the highest level gear is fairly simple.   

In fact, if you go to pvp everyone will be using max level gear by default (your level gets bumped to 80, all your skills are unlocked, and you can customize your  equipment with what a level 80 would wear).   The rarity in items will be purely aesthetic, and believe me, people will pay a LOT of money for rarer skins, even if they don't offer any stat bonuses over normal gear.

A-net wants to make GW2 PvP an eSports game, so for that balance and accessibilty is key.   The game, and pvp especially, will be 100% skill based, since gear is completely normalized.  

I'll probably buy TERA and sub for at least 1 month, since the game looks pretty fun to play through at least once with a couple of different characters.   

Didn't say GW2 is pay2win, i said most F2P games are. And  yes i play LoL so i know how much money people spend on skins. Like i said GW2 going to be mainly funded by its cash shop, doesn't mean its pay2win.

If GW2 can go E-Sport Tera would have much better chance, the combat in Tera itself is more skill based than GW2. Only thing is GW2 have more balance gear system which can easly be fixed by having default set for battle.

Each of the game has its up and downs, and GW2 is not 100% skilled based, i seen the videos, range class get lock on attack thats pretty much kicks skill in the shin when you ranged attack hom on you. GW2 is a more polish verison of the traditional tab target system, its much more smooth and free and instead of tab target its auto target or you click if you choice. Just because your given the opinion of using skill w/o a target doesn't mean you don't need that lock on more than half the time. While GW2 does require skill in to a degree i don't think it will go E-Sport, i doubt Tera will either. Cloestest mmorpg i see going e-sport is grand chase, that game now is pure skill based because a lvl 1 naked will rhape a capped with bast cash gear character if the player is skilled. And its oo so fun watching that lol.

GW2's 5v5 PvP was designed for e-sport from the ground up though.   GW1 had a lot of official tournaments with a decent amount of prize money.   They had the whole tournament infrastructure build into the game.   GW2 will probably be the same, with even more focus on it.    There will be replay and live streaming features built into the game just for those purposes.

TERA doesn't seem to have any intention of trying to make the PvP into the e-sport spotlight, so unless the devs really try to push it, it's probably not going to take off.  

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

GW2's 5v5 PvP was designed for e-sport from the ground up though.   GW1 had a lot of official tournaments with a decent amount of prize money.   They had the whole tournament infrastructure build into the game.   GW2 will probably be the same, with even more focus on it.    There will be replay and live streaming features built into the game just for those purposes.

TERA doesn't seem to have any intention of trying to make the PvP into the e-sport spotlight, so unless the devs really try to push it, it's probably not going to take off.  

Might be build toward a E-Sport but i doubt how it fits as a E-Sport. Skill wise i don't see much difference in there beside WoW but everyone has same gear and stats. I can see how its build toward E-Sport but i can't see the skill it require relate to lvl of E-Sport. Thats just my opinion could be totaly wrong we will see. And yes Tera isn't building toward it and unless player really push for it probably not. However i will say the combat Tera has fits a E-Sport much better. Maybe GW2 PvP design combat with Tera combat be the best E-Sport model for a mmorpg E-Sport. who knows.