I hope both are successful. Need more innovative AAA MMOs that don't try to cash in on WoW and then fail at it.

But both sound/look equally fun to me...I may end up playing both.

Originally posted by Master10K

Guild Wars 2 has been getting so much coverage lately, from the recent Press Beta and upcoming Public Betas, that all other upcoming MMORPGs are falling by the wayside. Heck, even during my time spent in the TERA closed beta the general chat was basically Guild Wars 2 chat. Also is there any new TSW beta footage? Because they recently held a Press BEta as well but all I've seen are articles and previews.

it was a press immersion demo, not beta, beta is under nda.

Both games have potential. I have to say that I am intrigued by the contemporary setting of TSW.

I like that both games are trying new things - but to measure success? I'm not sure. I know that Guild Wars 2 will be very successfull because of all the attention the community has been paying, because the developers have been honest about the content and are actually showing the finished product (in stages) to us, and because they have another very solid, successful game under their belt.

I'm not as familiar with The Secret World, but from what I have seen, its developer appears to be trying new things as well, and is showing the community game footage.

I think the real dark horse might be ArcheAge, if it's able to get a North American publisher.

Both will have their own playerbase, TSW will have a more mature and thoughtful community as to GW2 will have tons of raving kids and a handfull of normal gamers

numerically, i think GW2 will have more players than TSW and that is a good thing for TSW for a less lackluster community

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Master10K

Guild Wars 2 has been getting so much coverage lately, from the recent Press Beta and upcoming Public Betas, that all other upcoming MMORPGs are falling by the wayside. Heck, even during my time spent in the TERA closed beta the general chat was basically Guild Wars 2 chat. Also is there any new TSW beta footage? Because they recently held a Press BEta as well but all I've seen are articles and previews.

it was a press immersion demo, not beta, beta is under nda.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Still wondering why it so difficult to find some good quality beta gameplay of TSW. Seen some poor quality stuff and not much of it. Yet when I simply search "guild wars 2" in youtube, it pretty much is nothing but beta footage at this point.

i like GW2 as it is and i like TSW as it is (Except for TSW cash shop + sub tied together).

Now, if you take TSW and add GW2 gameplay and dynamic events and remove the monthly fees it would be pure awesomeness.

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Master10K

Guild Wars 2 has been getting so much coverage lately, from the recent Press Beta and upcoming Public Betas, that all other upcoming MMORPGs are falling by the wayside. Heck, even during my time spent in the TERA closed beta the general chat was basically Guild Wars 2 chat. Also is there any new TSW beta footage? Because they recently held a Press BEta as well but all I've seen are articles and previews.

it was a press immersion demo, not beta, beta is under nda.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Still wondering why it so difficult to find some good quality beta gameplay of TSW. Seen some poor quality stuff and not much of it. Yet when I simply search "guild wars 2" in youtube, it pretty much is nothing but beta footage at this point.

TSW beta is under NDA, thus you can't really find any "real" gameplay videos of it. You'll just have to wait for the NDA lift / open beta to REALLY see or try the game, or be lucky enough to be accepted into the beta.

Given ArenaNet's phenomenal reputation as developers (who are not only highly talented and make high use of reiteration process to ensure perfection in every area of the game, but also really do follow the community closely) and much more importantly the fact that GW2 is going to be B2P with the amount of content that is simply mindboggling that easily rivals and surpasses many other p2p mmorpgs, gives GW2 the clear edge of being far more successful than TSW not only in number of boxes sold, but also in terms of very strong retention rate.

Besides, I am sure many who purchase TSW will also decide to purchase GW2 sometime later on when they realise that even though GW2 is set in high fantasy world, it plays out so much differently than other previous high-fantasy rpgs and ofc, you are not committed to playing it on daily basis due to the fact that no subs are attached to GW2.

I do believe that TSW will be one of the big mmos released thus far. In fact from what I read by mmorpg journalists, the developers themselves have matured over these past 4 years and are not the same as they were back then and if that is to be believed, then there is little to doubt that TSW is going to be a huge hit. However, from what I have said above, in terms of success, GW2 will still be a clear winner.

As a person looking towards both of the titles, and following both for quite a while, I must say, by the common standards of success GW2 has higher chance of appealing to larger crowds.

TSW was always pretty niche title, and there are some heavy sins wieghting on Funcom. While I have no doubts about Ragnar's ability to create engaging world and story, as TLJ/Dreamfall proved, TSW never seemed like a project that could pull the masses in. It's pretty intimidating game with all the puzzles, forcing players to look for answers outside of the game-world, and most of all - lack of any solid information about gameplay details. 

GW2 on the other hand is basing on already established franchise, with promise of competetive PvP, with familiar yet modernized/improved/refreshed (call it as You like) mechanics. It certainly wins on the hype and marketing/information front with recent press beta as well as announcement of upcoming player beta. Not to mention that fantasy setting, while frowned upon by some and recently quite overused in games, is still more popular than modernworld-occult-horror.

Still. Hoping both do well, and unless Arena Net wants to be mean and release GW2 close to TSW's release I might end up playing both. 

Originally posted by rojo6934

i like GW2 as it is and i like TSW as it is (Except for TSW cash shop + sub tied together).

Now, if you take TSW and add GW2 gameplay and dynamic events and remove the monthly fees it would be pure awesomeness.

I would never swap out DEs for the story we have seen so far in TSW. Not the character progression system (which ties into the combat) either.

I'm excited for GW2  more as it will satiate my itch or great pve, pvp, wvw and innovative mechanics (and no subscription fee!) while TSW is definitely a breath of fresh air.. but air filled with macrotransactions and a subscription fee which was the reason I cancelled my subscription to SWTOR

While I am definitely going to be purchasing and playing GW2, TSW will need to be an extraordinary game to convince me to pay for it every month, especially with the grindfest that is AOC behind them..

I'm way more excited about GW2, but I really hope TSW is not a failure. I love Ragnar's world, and if things go as I predict and TSW gets the summer, with GW2 getting the winter, there should be room for both of them to get a lot of fans.

Please don't suck, future games. If GW2 and TSW suck... I don't even want to go there.

I intend to play BOTH games.  As a matter of fact, I expect them to become my "main" games for a good long while, if they are both as interesting as I think they're going to be.  Two very different kinds of gameplay, from what devs for both games have shared thus far.  I think these games will be very different from each other in many ways.  It's why I want to play both.

TSW has a lot of adventure and puzzle elements in it that some will really love and others will hate, so.....I'm thinking it's going to be the one with the smaller player base due to just being very different in ways that some players won't "get."  So my answer is that GW2 will be the more "popular" of the two. 

Originally posted by Fusion

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Master10K

Guild Wars 2 has been getting so much coverage lately, from the recent Press Beta and upcoming Public Betas, that all other upcoming MMORPGs are falling by the wayside. Heck, even during my time spent in the TERA closed beta the general chat was basically Guild Wars 2 chat. Also is there any new TSW beta footage? Because they recently held a Press BEta as well but all I've seen are articles and previews.

it was a press immersion demo, not beta, beta is under nda.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Still wondering why it so difficult to find some good quality beta gameplay of TSW. Seen some poor quality stuff and not much of it. Yet when I simply search "guild wars 2" in youtube, it pretty much is nothing but beta footage at this point.

TSW beta is under NDA, thus you can't really find any "real" gameplay videos of it. You'll just have to wait for the NDA lift / open beta to REALLY see or try the game, or be lucky enough to be accepted into the beta.

Isn't the release date set in June?   The game is 3 months away from release and there's barely any footage for it.   GW2 probably isn't releasing until Q3 or Q4 2012, yet the amount of media released is incomparable.   TSW feels more like it's at least a year away.

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by Fusion

Originally posted by Master10K

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Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Still wondering why it so difficult to find some good quality beta gameplay of TSW. Seen some poor quality stuff and not much of it. Yet when I simply search "guild wars 2" in youtube, it pretty much is nothing but beta footage at this point.

TSW beta is under NDA, thus you can't really find any "real" gameplay videos of it. You'll just have to wait for the NDA lift / open beta to REALLY see or try the game, or be lucky enough to be accepted into the beta.

Isn't the release date set in June?   The game is 3 months away from release and there's barely any footage for it.   GW2 probably isn't releasing until Q3 or Q4 2012, yet the amount of media released is incomparable.   TSW feels more like it's at least a year away.

That's what has me worried about TSW and it's release, because I read all these Press articles saying all these amazing things about TSW, yet I barely have any recent gameplay (nothing that isn't leaked) to reference it from. Yet with GW2 and any of the loafty claims surrounding that game, I have a wealth of gameplay footage to reference from. People say that GW2 is nothing but hype yet there isn't a feature of the game that isn't available for all to see, on youtube.

it would be nice if TSW succeeds but i think it will not be on par with GW2. 

The SecretWorld will never apeal to the grey mass that crave xpfactory type MMO's I hope for the  love of humanity's  sake it will become a small game with dedicated grown up players endulging in a rich story I rather pay 3 times the normal MMO monthly to get that dream come true.

pffff, another....."what do you think is going to be the uber game"

I'll bite........i will be playing both game because SW will be (hopefully) be the kinda game where people have to think for a change (puzzles and riddles anyone) and some good 3 faction pvp.

GW2 i will play when i am not in the mood for a challenge and just want to play a relax game with some coop quests.

SO i think both will be succesfull (for me at least) .....thats why i will play both games because they are two different games for me.

there.