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  BarCrow

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2/29/12 5:53:46 PM#41
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Niko: games aren't books or films

Games are supposed to be about YOUR story

Since when?...In Halo your were Masterchief..it was his story..until reach. Gears of Wars...Marcus Fenix with options to play other stories. I could keep going...all the way to Pac Man. Even in mmos its not your story just your choice of body parts and features for an Avatar. Studios like Bioware..Bethesda are some of the closest to having you an individual but only by providing a flowchart structure of conversation that makes it seem like you are affecting things more than you really are. Don't get me wrong...I love all those games...but it is rarely if ever our story. The closest is a true sandbox with no questgivers UO at one time perhaps. Where you went wherever the wind blew and discoverd things without a Wiki.Only if they can simulate PnP roleplaying on a video screen with an avatar will it truly be our story.

  RefMinor

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2/29/12 6:30:10 PM#42
Originally posted by Lowcaian

Because Star Wars is about action, pew pew and hitting people with a glowbat.

 

Seriously, did you think that it was about lore, people in cantinas and untold stories? Did you think it was about walking the streets of Coruscant, feeling like you were in Lucas universe, creating your own destiny?

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  olepi

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2/29/12 8:39:15 PM#43

BioWare does not make virtual worlds, never did. They make story-driven games.

I want my MMO's to be virtual worlds, that I can live in, and play a role *I  pick* in that world. So, SWTOR is not for me, at least as an MMO.

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  nikoliath

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3/01/12 1:04:52 AM#44
Originally posted by BarCrow
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Niko: games aren't books or films

Games are supposed to be about YOUR story

Since when?...In Halo your were Masterchief..it was his story..until reach. Gears of Wars...Marcus Fenix with options to play other stories. I could keep going...all the way to Pac Man. Even in mmos its not your story just your choice of body parts and features for an Avatar. Studios like Bioware..Bethesda are some of the closest to having you an individual but only by providing a flowchart structure of conversation that makes it seem like you are affecting things more than you really are. Don't get me wrong...I love all those games...but it is rarely if ever our story. The closest is a true sandbox with no questgivers UO at one time perhaps. Where you went wherever the wind blew and discoverd things without a Wiki.Only if they can simulate PnP roleplaying on a video screen with an avatar will it truly be our story.

This,

I was very surprised by ShakyMo's statement there. In fact the more I look at it the stranger it seems that someone could make that comment and be serious.

  Garvon3

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3/01/12 1:07:37 AM#45

Because its a singleplayer game first and an MMO never.

  nikoliath

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3/01/12 1:07:48 AM#46
Originally posted by olepi

BioWare does not make virtual worlds, never did. They make story-driven games.

I want my MMO's to be virtual worlds, that I can live in, and play a role *I  pick* in that world. So, SWTOR is not for me, at least as an MMO.

Maybe you should rush out and buy a CE edition and then come here and complain in endless threads about how let down you are about TOR not being what you like in a game despite knowing what the game is like.

 

Just as well, dozens here have done exactly that  

 

joking aside, it;s nice to see some common sense here on occasion.

  Garvon3

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3/01/12 1:09:37 AM#47
Originally posted by nikoliath
Originally posted by olepi

BioWare does not make virtual worlds, never did. They make story-driven games.

I want my MMO's to be virtual worlds, that I can live in, and play a role *I  pick* in that world. So, SWTOR is not for me, at least as an MMO.

Maybe you should rush out and buy a CE edition and then come here and complain in endless threads about how let down you are about TOR not being what you like in a game despite knowing what the game is like.

 

Just as well, dozens here have done exactly that  

 

joking aside, it;s nice to see some common sense here on occasion.

You can't COMPLETELY blame the people (only mostly). Bioware advertises this as an MMORPG. People expect living virtual worlds when they hear that. Hell they even charge a monthly fee.

But an MMO this game is not.

  bfpiercelk

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3/01/12 10:10:51 AM#48

Do people really expect to be THIS spoon fed these days?

There's cantina's everywhere, there even one on the fleet! There's tons of buildings and cool places around that could be used as social hubs. If you want a social hub, go someplace and be social!

Or are you expecting there to be some place where you get social points for engaging in conversation with other characters? Have we gotten now to the point where " I can't RP properly because I can't sit in a chair?"

 

Man get over youselves...

  Oph8

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3/01/12 10:46:36 AM#49
Originally posted by bfpiercelk

Do people really expect to be THIS spoon fed these days?

There's cantina's everywhere, there even one on the fleet! There's tons of buildings and cool places around that could be used as social hubs. If you want a social hub, go someplace and be social!

Or are you expecting there to be some place where you get social points for engaging in conversation with other characters? Have we gotten now to the point where " I can't RP properly because I can't sit in a chair?"

 

Man get over youselves...

Yes, they do expect to be spoon fed. Blizzard did it for them with World of Warcraft and every crying ass baby from WoW expects the same treatment. Every kid loves Disneyland.

Now to the op:

I remember back in the EQ days where players created there own social spots, the most popular was the Tunnel at EC. It was nothing special, just a tunnel with a griffon that would pass every so often. And SWG, we'd meet in the cantina's or Anchorhead on Tatoonie. These days players are just to spoiled and have no imagination to do anything except whine and complain. Hell, Bioware put the social spot on the damn map for you to see it say's CANTINA, do you know what a CANTINA IS????

 

 

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  just1opinion

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3/01/12 11:07:29 AM#50
Originally posted by bfpiercelk

Do people really expect to be THIS spoon fed these days?

There's cantina's everywhere, there even one on the fleet! There's tons of buildings and cool places around that could be used as social hubs. If you want a social hub, go someplace and be social!

Or are you expecting there to be some place where you get social points for engaging in conversation with other characters? Have we gotten now to the point where " I can't RP properly because I can't sit in a chair?"

 

Man get over youselves...

 

I think it's a pretty small complaint considering all the things in SWTOR that are complaint-WORTHY, seriously.  I enjoy the game and I'm still playing, social hubs and working chairs or not, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to expect some small attention to detail.  It's a product that I paid for and AM paying for, so I do have a few very small expectations.  I, personally, am not one of the ones that's been just parked on the forums whining and complaining about every aspect of the game, but there's no "get over yourselves" to having some simple desires for game improvement.  There's a lot more wrong with this game than it lacking social hubs.

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  bfpiercelk

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3/01/12 11:13:15 AM#51
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by bfpiercelk

Do people really expect to be THIS spoon fed these days?

There's cantina's everywhere, there even one on the fleet! There's tons of buildings and cool places around that could be used as social hubs. If you want a social hub, go someplace and be social!

Or are you expecting there to be some place where you get social points for engaging in conversation with other characters? Have we gotten now to the point where " I can't RP properly because I can't sit in a chair?"

 

Man get over youselves...

 

I think it's a pretty small complaint considering all the things in SWTOR that are complaint-WORTHY, seriously.  I enjoy the game and I'm still playing, social hubs and working chairs or not, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to expect some small attention to detail.  It's a product that I paid for and AM paying for, so I do have a few very small expectations.  I, personally, am not one of the ones that's been just parked on the forums whining and complaining about every aspect of the game, but there's no "get over yourselves" to having some simple desires for game improvement.  There's a lot more wrong with this game than it lacking social hubs.

 

You do have that right, not saying you don't. I also have the right to tell you to get over yourself and not expect a "social hub" object to drop out of the sky and scream "Get in here and communicate with people!". Social hubs are created by players, not developers.

I get the chairs though, as a looooong time SWG player I really do. But don't tell me you can't socialize without it, that's just a bunch of garbage.

  tixylix

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3/01/12 12:42:06 PM#52

mooo

  ShakyMo

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3/01/12 12:47:51 PM#53
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  Dauzqul

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3/01/12 1:13:54 PM#54

I'm guessing that it's because the planets get out-leveled so fast.

  MosesZD

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3/01/12 8:02:14 PM#55
Originally posted by tavtav

If you need to socialize you will talk to your companion and you will LIKE IT! 

Talking to other players has NO PLACE in an MMO!

 

lol.   I thought it was weird you were having romantic relations with your companions...    Kind of like dating a mannequin or something...   And that AI program (Holly) one of my 'romance' options (Therin or something like that)  had...    I'm like, no way is my counsular having a romantic relationship with a guy who's got a thing for a holographic artificial intelligence program...    

 

That's just too weird...  

  Castillle

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3/01/12 8:06:34 PM#56

They were removed in beta and replaced with the fleet.  Theres the cantinas for rp'ers i guess.

 

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  MosesZD

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3/01/12 8:12:47 PM#57
Originally posted by bfpiercelk
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by bfpiercelk

Do people really expect to be THIS spoon fed these days?

There's cantina's everywhere, there even one on the fleet! There's tons of buildings and cool places around that could be used as social hubs. If you want a social hub, go someplace and be social!

Or are you expecting there to be some place where you get social points for engaging in conversation with other characters? Have we gotten now to the point where " I can't RP properly because I can't sit in a chair?"

 

Man get over youselves...

 

I think it's a pretty small complaint considering all the things in SWTOR that are complaint-WORTHY, seriously.  I enjoy the game and I'm still playing, social hubs and working chairs or not, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to expect some small attention to detail.  It's a product that I paid for and AM paying for, so I do have a few very small expectations.  I, personally, am not one of the ones that's been just parked on the forums whining and complaining about every aspect of the game, but there's no "get over yourselves" to having some simple desires for game improvement.  There's a lot more wrong with this game than it lacking social hubs.

 

You do have that right, not saying you don't. I also have the right to tell you to get over yourself and not expect a "social hub" object to drop out of the sky and scream "Get in here and communicate with people!". Social hubs are created by players, not developers.

I get the chairs though, as a looooong time SWG player I really do. But don't tell me you can't socialize without it, that's just a bunch of garbage.

My, my, aren't we the king of MMO design...   No, social hubs are created by the devs...   Where there is a natural place for people to gather vis the auction halls, crafting stations, daily quest givers, special-item vendors, regular vendors, etc.

 

And every MMO I've ever played has made sure there were strong social hubs.  Because the developers understood that if they players can't congregate naturally it will break down social cohesiveness and interaction, leading to the 'empty world' feeling that makes people quit because they're not there for a single-player game.

 

The Fleet really had nothing...   Some PvE planetary token vendors whcih were, by-and-large, a pointless waste of space...   Some trainers that would have been better to have just on Coruscant and Droman Kaas...   Some LS/DS vendors that should have been with the othe vendors on planets...   An ugly, dark envioronment that was unpleasant...    A lousy cantina that was always empty...

  MosesZD

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3/01/12 8:14:13 PM#58
Originally posted by dollada06
Originally posted by tavtav

If you need to socialize you will talk to your companion and you will LIKE IT! 

Talking to other players has NO PLACE in an MMO!

THanks--you've helped the discussion a lot.  (^^^Why I am pro-choice^^^)

 

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  iceman00

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3/01/12 9:31:58 PM#59

The issue isn't whether or not there are cantinas.  The issue is whether or not there is a point to go into a cantina.

Right now, there is no point, save as a rest zone for when you logout.

Social hubs provide things to do not neccessarily of a combat related nature.  There aren't these things in TOR.  Ergo, there are no social hubs.  Even the fleet isn't a social hub.

Give instruments to play, mini-games to play, then you start creating incentives for people to hang out in these areas.  Ergo, it becomes a social hub, not a logout portal.

  User Deleted
3/01/12 9:37:54 PM#60
Originally posted by dollada06

This is one thing that has bugged the hell out of me since I began playing SWTOR.  The Imperial Fleet is one of the dumbest ideas.  Why didn't they create centralized cities that are on the end-game worlds?  Right now we all go sit in some lame space station and hang out.  Why wouldn't they want to create an extravigant city like Stormwind or Orgrimmar in WOW.  Instead they have the fleets which are out of the way from everything else. I understand that Dromung Kaas is sort of intended to be the capital but when the fleet exists there is little reason to go there unless we want to respec.

 

Does anyone else think the Fleets are stupid as hell? 

 

This is bascially one of the points I made in response to the SWTOR email I got requesting feedback.

 

Clearly, we are not alone in this criticism. I imagine they will do something about this in a future expansion. I think it will be too much to do in a mere patch. Hopefully, it won't take too long, but I think it will require a major re-thinking of the game as it is now.

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