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  RizelStar

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2/29/12 6:10:52 PM#141
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by jimbo833

People have to realise how a PvP game kinda works.  as i agree with the OP.

 

Think about it. WvWvW sounds awesome,  but its the same thingover and over again when your less than 80 theres a reason to do it but once you hit it your only doni it for fun.

 

and in MMo's fun isnt the only thing needed to keep people playing. And since there is no reason to PvP once 8- apart from fun wi lmake this game lose a ton of people.

 

Do not get me wrong i look forward to about 90% of this game, but PvP wise its missing a motive to do it.

Fantastic! :D

It means people play for fun and don't waste their lives doing something that isn't fun! Don't you see how amazing that is? Come on! The reason so many of my friends want to play GW2 is because they DON'T want to waste their lives grinding gear or playing the game to 'earn' something. They want to have fun!

 

i didn't stop playing ToR because there wasn't an 'end game' for me to grind, i stopped because i no longer was having more fun than i would have had playing another game. People shouldn't be 'addicted' to GW2, they should play it to enjoy it because that's what life is about!

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

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  Distopia

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2/29/12 6:13:21 PM#142
Originally posted by RizelStar

It's not about quantity...sheesh lol.

You're right, it's not,  it's about creating features that promote long term play.

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  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:15:17 PM#143
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by ComfyChair

GW2 doesn't have a traditional endgame. But instead it is an actual game designed for fun, not a bunch of psychological tricks designed to drain you of £10 every month :D GW2 will last the average MMOer, if they aren't a completionist, play one storyline and hate any form of PvP about 200 hours. That's good enough by anyone's standards, that's a lot of game for £40.

 

I play/ed WoW because I found it fun, I found that I enjoyed working for a piece of gear in the same since a sandbox player enjoy spending hours doing what ever it is he does in his sandbox game. I enjoy the journy to that acomplishment (spelling sucks) more then I enjoy the reward, but if there is no reward then I don't feel that I acomplished anything.

For me it would be like building a bird house and having said bird house dissapear when I was finished.

Anet has said that the leveling curb is weak in Gw2, and that leveling from like 61-62 will take the same amount of time as 14-15. Assuming it takes you an hour n a half to level once, it'll take you about 90 hours to level. But then again Bioware said it would take you 200 hours and most people where 50 by 150 hours.

About 100 hours if you're always out questing, but there'll be plenty of downtime as you move between events and storylines ect. :) hence about 200 overall. You won't spend 100% of your time fighting.

There are rewards, but they're not infinite rewards, you can 'finish' GW2 if you spend many hundreds of hours, like you can 'complete' GW1. They're cosmetic, difficult to achieve, armor and weapons. If you need that carrot at all times and simply can't do something because you simply enjoy it (and you'll always earn something, whether it's gold or karma ect. to put towards something rare) you can make a kind of 'mini game' out of it in GW2, because there will be rare items, but the game will not enforce or actively say 'this is our endgame'. Because it's not designed that way. Getting a tormented weapon in GW1 isn't the end game, but it takes as much effort to get as any other 'end game' reward.

You won't be playing Gw2 and not get any rewards at all, BUT the game is not based around getting those rewards. You play for fun, those rewards are bonuses.

  User Deleted
2/29/12 6:16:08 PM#144
Originally posted by RizelStar

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

GW2 isn;t a lobby based RTS or a FPS.

  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:17:43 PM#145
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by RizelStar

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

GW2 isn;t a lobby based RTS or a FPS.

It's still a GAME.

Come on snaylor, are you saying MMO's aren't meant to be fun? They're meant to be work? What's happened to you? What have MMO's done to you? I'm actually really worried about how you view MMO's now ><

 

 

  iamthekiller

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OP  2/29/12 6:18:35 PM#146

Just to clarify I'm not saying I want end game raids and gear grinds. Simply asking for some comments on it. That being said I play games for fun. If you find gear grinds and raids fun, then you will hate guild wars 2. Gear grinds and raids aren't "features" to me. They are mechanisms to keep you paying a sub, which partly explains the absence here. I keep seeing people refer to raids as "endgame content".  Yes in wow,tor,EQ and whatever else they are endgame content. In guild wars 2 they aren't, where never planned to be and quite frankly im glad they aren't. Plenty of games on the market for the raiders and gear collectors. Does anyone know of an mmo that uses GW2 Mechanics?

  DJJazzy

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2/29/12 6:19:35 PM#147
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by RizelStar

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

GW2 isn;t a lobby based RTS or a FPS.

It's still a GAME.

Come on snaylor, are you saying MMO's aren't meant to be fun? They're meant to be work? What's happened to you? What have MMO's done to you? I'm actually really worried about how you view MMO's now ><

 

 

This is why so many people hate mmos.

  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:21:04 PM#148

I know DJJazzy. People see statements like snaylor's and are scarred by them, never to look at MMO's again.

What you've said, snaylor, is actually pretty scarey. It's like you think MMO's are not meant to be as 'fun' as other games ><

  Kakkzooka

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2/29/12 6:21:25 PM#149

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  User Deleted
2/29/12 6:22:02 PM#150
Originally posted by ComfyChair

You won't be playing Gw2 and not get any rewards at all, BUT the game is not based around getting those rewards. You play for fun, those rewards are bonuses.

Any game for me will only be fun for so long.

 

For instance I would always take one or two month breaks from WoW and play RS or GW1, But  I never play either of the latter  like I did WoW (I did runescape when I was like 10 but later  I found better things) as much as I did WoW because of lack of end game rewards. GW1 became more of an E-sport type game which is great for the hardcore E-sporting peeps, but for people like me who wanted an actual MMO it was terrible.

 

  RizelStar

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2/29/12 6:22:20 PM#151
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by RizelStar

It's not about quantity...sheesh lol.

You're right, it's not,  it's about creating features that promote long term play.

You're freaking right, I'm glade we are all on the same page.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:23:18 PM#152
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by ComfyChair

You won't be playing Gw2 and not get any rewards at all, BUT the game is not based around getting those rewards. You play for fun, those rewards are bonuses.

Any game for me will only be fun for so long.

 

For instance I would always take one or two month breaks from WoW and play RS or GW1, But  I never play either of the latter  like I did WoW (I did runescape when I was like 10 but later  I found better things) as much as I did WoW because of lack of end game rewards. GW1 became more of an E-sport type game which is great for the hardcore E-sporting peeps, but for people like me who wanted an actual MMO it was terrible.

 

Fort aspenwood was/is where it's at :D I still have a lot of fun in that PvP map to this day. Getting those siege turtles to the front line, demolishing all that stands before you, getting that clutch interrupt on the WoH monk at 99% weapon charge to nail Gunther. Ahh, good times.

But GW1 was a CORPG, so it's not surprising you found it bad as an MMO :)

I has a lot of fun in it, but i never expected it to be an open world, just a fun co-op game that turned out to have awesome PvP and a really rich lore to the world. In fact i didn't even know all that much about Guild wars at all when i picked it up, i'd only heard of it very vaguely once or twice.

  DJJazzy

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2/29/12 6:26:19 PM#153

Well personally I think the only way to have features for long term play is a sandbox. Player created content is the only way to have an actual changing online world to play in.

Right now mmos are just skinner boxes to keep the player playing. Does everyone really want to be a rat?

Anyway, probably a discussion for a different day.

  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:28:24 PM#154
Originally posted by DJJazzy

Well personally I think the only way to have features for long term play is a sandbox. Player created content is the only way to have an actual changing online world to play in.

Right now mmos are just skinner boxes to keep the player playing. Does everyone really want to be a rat?

Anyway, probably a discussion for a different day.

Indeed so, any themepark (i.e. dev created content) is one of a limited playtime. Arenanet know that, and they simply are not trying to get players to stay in GW2 for thousands of hours via arbitary 'you need to grind this dungeon 7000 times to get to the next dungeon'. They want you to play and have fun. When you're not having fun any more, or you've 'done' the content you're interested in, that's perfectly fine. There's no sub, so you could simply blaze through the content as fast as possible and only play for new expansion releases and it makes no difference to them.

  User Deleted
2/29/12 6:29:15 PM#155
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by RizelStar

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

GW2 isn;t a lobby based RTS or a FPS.

It's still a GAME.

Come on snaylor, are you saying MMO's aren't meant to be fun? They're meant to be work? What's happened to you? What have MMO's done to you? I'm actually really worried about how you view MMO's now ><

In order,

No, quite the opposite I am saying that most MMOs ARE fun and that what is and isn't fun is subjective. If most people didn't enjoy MMOs they would have died out a long time ago and now amount of end game content could have fixed that.

 

Once again No, it is you whos trying to paint every other MMO as some long gear grind, What I am saying is that after 50 hours of playing the same game I would like to be rewarded, Rewards in GW2 means a new skill or a shiny hat that doesn't do anything. If I enjoy most (If not all) Gameplay styles then you whole, "Well Gw2 is fun." is really meaningless to me.

 

What has happened to you? Had this been any other game you'd all be going balistic, complaining about how there is no endgame.

 

Once again nothing, As a matter oh fact while typing this I am playing BF3. 

 

 

  User Deleted
2/29/12 6:32:12 PM#156
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by ComfyChair

You won't be playing Gw2 and not get any rewards at all, BUT the game is not based around getting those rewards. You play for fun, those rewards are bonuses.

Any game for me will only be fun for so long.

 

For instance I would always take one or two month breaks from WoW and play RS or GW1, But  I never play either of the latter  like I did WoW (I did runescape when I was like 10 but later  I found better things) as much as I did WoW because of lack of end game rewards. GW1 became more of an E-sport type game which is great for the hardcore E-sporting peeps, but for people like me who wanted an actual MMO it was terrible.

 

Fort aspenwood was/is where it's at :D I still have a lot of fun in that PvP map to this day. Getting those siege turtles to the front line, demolishing all that stands before you, getting that clutch interrupt on the WoH monk at 99% weapon charge to nail Gunther. Ahh, good times.

But GW1 was a CORPG, so it's not surprising you found it bad as an MMO :)

I has a lot of fun in it, but i never expected it to be an open world, just a fun co-op game that turned out to have awesome PvP and a really rich lore to the world. In fact i didn't even know all that much about Guild wars at all when i picked it up, i'd only heard of it very vaguely once or twice.

My fear (Not really as if GW2 doesn't work out then theres TOR or WoW for me) is that GW2 will (once I get ot endgame) be little more then a E-Sport with an open world.

 

Nothing wrong with that, but I do enjoy a little more bang for my buck.

  ComfyChair

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2/29/12 6:32:34 PM#157
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Once again No, it is you whos trying to paint every other MMO as some long gear grind, What I am saying is that after 50 hours of playing the same game I would like to be rewarded, Rewards in GW2 means a new skill or a shiny hat that doesn't do anything. If I enjoy most (If not all) Gameplay styles then you whole, "Well Gw2 is fun." is really meaningless to me.

 

What has happened to you? Had this been any other game you'd all be going balistic, complaining about how there is no endgame.

 

 

Well if you enjoy all gameplay styles then GW2 doesn't need to be another skinner's box MMO for you to enjoy it then, so the lack of a traditional end game should not bother you. Enjoy GW2 for what it is, not what you're used to :)

Again, we're not the WoW community here. We're mostly different people. You'll likely find the people that don't care about 'raids' ect. here never did. I certainly didn't. In fact the mention of 'end game' in the ToR thread over there (gw2guru) is fairly minimal as far as i'm aware (not to say the recent influx of 'traditional MMO' players into that community haven't started their whines about ToR end game now)!

MMORPG.com is not a hivemind. There are several dozen different communities, all with different opinions on what makes a game good.

So again, we're not hypocrits in the gw2 section. Hypocriticism requires us to have actually complained about ToR's 'end game'. But as for me, I'm sorry but i'm not 'the internet'. I'm not even this community, so i'm definitely not a hypocrit in any form. I know what i like, and that's not end game gear grinding, so i never cared about ToR's 'end game'. I only played it for the storyline. I quite liked the storyline. I finished the Sith one, kind of got bored of the, frankly, repetetive combat which was essentially just not as fun as GW1's for me, so i stopped playing it. But you can check my entire post history if you're that adamant. I have not once complained about any games 'end game' being lacking or missing because i don't like that style of end game anyway.

 

  Sanctum

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Posts: 192

2/29/12 6:34:49 PM#158
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by RizelStar

Comfy PVP in videogames aide from DAOC,LoL,DOTA,Gears of War 1-3, any fps game...is not made for fun. 

Damn I couldn't even keep a straight face when typing this.

GW2 isn;t a lobby based RTS or a FPS.

It's still a GAME.

Come on snaylor, are you saying MMO's aren't meant to be fun? They're meant to be work? What's happened to you? What have MMO's done to you? I'm actually really worried about how you view MMO's now ><

In order,

No, quite the opposite I am saying that most MMOs ARE fun and that what is and isn't fun is subjective. If most people didn't enjoy MMOs they would have died out a long time ago and now amount of end game content could have fixed that.

 

Once again No, it is you whos trying to paint every other MMO as some long gear grind, What I am saying is that after 50 hours of playing the same game I would like to be rewarded, Rewards in GW2 means a new skill or a shiny hat that doesn't do anything. If I enjoy most (If not all) Gameplay styles then you whole, "Well Gw2 is fun." is really meaningless to me.

 

What has happened to you? Had this been any other game you'd all be going balistic, complaining about how there is no endgame.

 

Once again nothing, As a matter oh fact while typing this I am playing BF3. 

 

 

don't even bother, this is gw2 forums, you will just get flamed into the ground

  ComfyChair

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Posts: 766

2/29/12 6:43:11 PM#159

I don't see flames :)

  Cthulhu23

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Posts: 1027

2/29/12 6:43:31 PM#160

To answer the original question...not much.  

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