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2/28/12 1:59:50 PM#21
Originally posted by adam_nox Dungeon Runners was being ported to the PS3, but NCSoft killed that project and then finally the game. Dungeon Runners could have been a good F2P contender for NCSoft had the company actually dedicated real budget and resources to it instead of using it as a low-budget experiment. The game wasn't perfect by any means, but it was a lot of fun to those who played it and the developers had a lot of plans for improving it greatly. |
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Adalwulff
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Joined: 1/18/10
"I am not the light, or the darkness, but the twilight in between" |
2/28/12 2:01:25 PM#22
Actually all the "kiddos" will be playing TERA. Because it will be F2P 2 months after launch. The mature PvP players will be playing GW2. There I fixed it for you. :)  |
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2/28/12 2:33:51 PM#23
B2P have some advantages over f2P as well as it have disadvantages. The thing with GW2 that also made it impossible to turn GW1 into F2P is the very little focus on gear. F2P games need people to buy stuff to continue to get in some money, while B2P games do fine with just selling boxes. It is the same reasons that FPS and RTS games are B2P and not F2P, there just ain´t enough stuff you can sell that people would like to buy. F2P works excellent for PvE games with a gear focus but for a game like GW2 to be F2P it would need to sell classes, races and skills. I have a feeling that wouldn´t be really popular with the fans. Besides, B2P is an excellent payment method and almost all computer games since the commodore vic-20 to today besides browser games have been B2P, it wouldn´t be so if the model wouldn´t work. nah, if GW isn´t F2P now I doubt GW2 will be in for a long time. It is possible that the original game might go F2P after GW2 launches though even if it would take some work and revamping for that. |
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2/28/12 2:38:50 PM#24
Originally posted by Adalwulff I dunno about that, Rift actually made a surprisingly large amount of money in it´s first year and it seems quality wise to be rather similar to TERA. And GW1 do have it's number of kids so GW2 surely will get a bunch of them as well. I don´t see Tera going up against GW2 but that neither means it is a bad game or that it will go F2P fast. |
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Leodious
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Joined: 2/28/06
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2/28/12 5:51:24 PM#25
What do you expect? Clearly, he is a being of pure malice. And one that cannot spell all too well. I think it's a good thing, this purchase. NCSoft is a terrible, awful, no good, bad developer, but they have shown they are a good publisher, and they know when to drop dead weight so they can keep going (Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa, Dungeon Runners). They are playing hands off on Anet, and GW was great, and GW2 looks even better. They know what they are doing. So I say, let them keep doing it. "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit." — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman |
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Reizla
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Joined: 12/09/08
MMORPGs are no longer about the mass multi-user anymore *sadly* |
2/28/12 6:04:07 PM#26
I think (former) AAA-titles can (should?) all go Buy2Play instead fully Free2Play. Guild Wars (and soon Guild Wars 2) has done well with over 5mlj boxed sales and still going strong. Right now I'm playing GW to prepare for GW2 and still see lots of lowbee players like me running around in cities. About the whole B2P thing... If SWToR would have been B2P instead P2P, I'd have bought it, but to me the monthly sub is not worth the game. And I'm very sure a lot of players feel the same way about one or the other MMO they've played in the past. Demigoth's RPG adventures ~ My blog ASUS M4N72-E |
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2/28/12 8:16:57 PM#27
Guild Wars 2 as a free-to-play game is just the usual Free Zone wistful thinking. Never going to happen. No reason for it to happen other than that Aihoshi wants every game to go F2P. |
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2/29/12 12:58:56 AM#28
Funny how a company that continually posts increased profits year after year equals sell in your mind... Aion is still doing well.. and GW2 will sell like hot cakes.. I'd say buy if anything. We just don't see the whole picture here in the west.. but in the east this company is a rock star. |
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2/29/12 5:24:55 AM#29
Talk about overreacting. Just because someone puts their eggs in more than one basket doesn't mean they are about to transfer all their eggs over to the new one. Guild Wars 2 will never be F2P. I waited 1 year for GW after release to come down in price and it never did so paid nearly full price for it, then loved it so much bought all the expansions - collector's editions too. NCSoft probably made more out of me than any other mmorpg with subs. GW2 I have no doubt will find similar success. It is possible GW1 could become F2P rather than be shut down eventually. Who knows. Wouldn't bother me once GW2 is out. |
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2/29/12 6:36:10 AM#30
(Away from Argument) I miss exteel. V.V I don't think all of ncsofts games are grind fest, for example guild wars. 80 levels in GW 2...it better not take me more than a month or 2 to reach that. :3 |
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2/29/12 8:45:56 AM#31
Ncsoft is moving to the STO Model. C-Store, In-Game items, etc. Read their earning call presentation to see where their headed and why. http://jumbofiles.com/6rx7jcf8yk3y/4Q11_PT_ENG.pdf.html |
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2/29/12 9:44:50 AM#32
I think the issue is that most of the western market is very insular. They really dont see what is happening in the rest of the world, nor do they seem to care. They really believe that 'they' are the dominant market.... which some of us realize is not true.
In the past year, the gaming market has started to collapse. We are seeing it here in the west, but it is happening worldwide. NCSoft is very agresssively buying companies that add to its bottom line. They are buying up many of their competitors who are not in as good a position, and who have not been able to build like they have. Other examples of this are Perfect World, and Nexon, who are doing the same.
There is a gaming market consolidation going on. The companies that are in a position to gain from this are taking advantage of the situation, and are securing their position. Expect to see more large companies buying out medium companies.
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2/29/12 2:00:25 PM#33
The last time I heard that line from a NCSoft hater/generic ragequitter back years ago I wish I had wasted my whole fortune to buy the rest of Richard Garriots stock after he weasled out of the company. I'd be a god damn millionair now... 'Seamless world' - A world lacking visible or phys. seams, forming forced breaking points during transition and movement;
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2/29/12 2:21:14 PM#34
Nah, I gotta say flat out no to this - no chance at all. Look at SWTOR - 2 million copies purchased. That's a whole lot of sets of $60 dollars. As far as I know, the purchase price alone has already covered almost all the costs of development. That's a whole lot of money for Arenanet to pass up, considering they already have the "cheapest, highest quality MMO" card in their deck, as it's no monthly subscription. I can't see them dumping the box cost in hopes of attracting those who would have bought it, but didn't feel like actually spending money. That can't be a big portion of gamers. |
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2/29/12 2:26:14 PM#35
Nah, I gotta say flat out no to this - no chance at all this game will be without any cost at all. Look at SWTOR - 2 million copies purchased. That's a whole lot of sets of $60 dollars. As far as I know, the purchase price alone has already covered almost all the costs of development.
That's a whole lot of money for Arenanet to pass up, considering they already have the "cheapest, highest quality MMO" card in their deck, as it's no monthly subscription. I can't see them dumping the box cost in hopes of attracting those who would have bought it, but didn't feel like actually spending money. That can't be a big portion of gamers. |
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2/29/12 5:47:53 PM#36
Originally posted by Nhoj1983 Except for Arenanet all their games are in decline, even Aion. The competition is making them hurt. Sure GW2 will do well and will bring in decent revenue, the rest of their lineup is in steady decline with nothing new on the horizon. GW2 will be just a temporary influx of cash, they will do well this year, but how about next year? You sell when the stock is high because it is not going any higher. |
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3/01/12 2:46:28 AM#37
BTW i'm waiting for Aion F2P, just 4 fun :D |
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rojo6934
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Joined: 8/13/09
"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli |
3/01/12 5:16:50 PM#38
"in peace, in sleep under the barren, abandoned soil"
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