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2/27/12 12:50:28 PM#61
Originally posted by Puremallace 1) SquareSoft made Final Fantasy, not Sony. 2) An MMORPG is very different than a single player RPG. If your problem is with the name "Final Fantasy", that just doesn't really make any sense at all. 3) A dev can, and often does, make any changes they want to their franchises. Grand Theft Auto was originally a 2D top-down game. Resident Evil used to be survival horror. Warcraft used to be an RTS. The game is what the devs make it into. Maybe you should've tried it instead of refusing to play because of the monthly fee. If you tried it and didn't like it, that would be one thing, but otherwise you can't really make an informed judgement. (for the record I thought FF8 and 10 sucked) |
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2/27/12 12:59:17 PM#62
I will bide my time until ME3 is in my hands. If the game TRULY is miserable then that's that for me. I'm willing to give a company multiple failures but after a while, that good grace wanes. Some of the early reviews indicate issues with the game (stuttering, framerate, incorrect audio syncing, etc). If they're present and the game is not fun. Bioware is on my list right next to Cryptic and it'll take something TRULY incredible to get them off that list. Man I miss the Black Isle Studios Bioware relationship. EA is the devil. |
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2/27/12 1:11:27 PM#63
My point further proven http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/27/bioware-doctors-discuss-mass-effect-mmo/
Now anything can be a MMO as long as it is multi player and online. "Hey all we had to do to KOTOR is add raids and battlegrounds and now it is a mmo..lets do Mass Effect now..and next Dragon Age". If you want to see what a extremely watered down industry looks like, then watch what is about to happen.
Everything can be a mmo and if we leave stuff out then who cares we can shit all over our fanbase and fix any mistakes after launch. We are so screwed once the genre shifts to a full f2p model.
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2/27/12 1:19:20 PM#64
If EA/Bioware (or as Im starting to call them BEAWARE) Devs are so arrogant that they are calling themselves "Doctors", then they should be sued for Malpractice and lose their liscense to Develop Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR |
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2/27/12 1:20:06 PM#65
Bioware can make some amazing stories and SWTOR has an amazing story. But they have just proven that its impossible to do an amazing story and have an amazing MMO at the same time. You have to compromise on one or the other and sadly when it came to SWTOR the MMO side of things came at the expense of a great story. Cause anyone can honestly say that once you have done the story content in SWTOR the MMO side of things is a complete mess. You have PVP that is so limited and such a mess. You have a small handful of BG's and open world pvp (if you want to even call it that) that is such a mess people do nothing more then trade kills to get it done and overwith asap. Raiding in SWTOR is a joke of bugs and repeating the same content hoping for loot so you can repeat the content on a harder mode that really does nothing more then scale up the damage and hp the mobs have with the addition of maybe one or two new abilities to the bosses (and that is not always the case with every boss). Bioware made a great story and they have shown they can do great single player games and heck even back in the day great co-op games. But they need to pull out of the MMO market as they have shown they don't have the slightest clue whats going on. I wont say EA did or did not have anything to do with the mess that is SWTOR or what Bioware is pumping out these days. But the Bioware of today is nothing compared to the Bioware of the past. |
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2/27/12 1:21:46 PM#66
Originally posted by PyrateLV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare Dippity doo they are doctors. Educate yourself. |
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2/27/12 1:23:36 PM#67
I think they're a bit arrogant. They also never seem to be able to take criticism and seem to blame the players most of the time. |
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2/27/12 1:24:42 PM#68
I personally think they got worse the moment they partnered with EA
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2/27/12 1:28:51 PM#69
Originally posted by Ikeda LOL thats hilarious. Actual medical Doctors creating Video games. Never knew that.
SWTOR still suck ass though so.......yeah I still think they should be sued for Malpractice Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR |
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2/27/12 1:36:21 PM#70
Originally posted by Larsa Same here.
And in before someone say about rose-tinted glasses. I actualled re-played BG2 with some mods like 1 year ago and I had a blast. DA2 that I played few months later was just horrid. Swtor that I played beta was bad. Even praised DA:O was at best medicore (seriously what with that idiotic amount of filler combat there? and auto full health & mana? + many many small things that made this game well not nearly as good as Baldurs). |
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2/27/12 1:37:56 PM#71
Originally posted by Thomas2006 I am not sure this part is true. Nothing stopped them having a dynamic world, auction UI that made sense, or proper beta testing of the end game. They approached it like a single player and paid for it. I am not saying the population crashed like in FF14, but it took a bit of a dive on the pvp side for sure. |
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2/27/12 1:45:42 PM#72
It may not be the game everyone wants, but BW did build the game they said they would. Given the track record for MMO development, I have to give them credit for staying true to the design. I'm playing SWTOR as a single player game mainly, and grouping for heroics and flashpoints. I do miss the old school MMO's, but even if we had one today, I wouldn't have the time to play it like I used to anyway. |
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2/27/12 1:47:09 PM#73
Originally posted by PyrateLV No arguements there. Back in the day it was one of those eye-opening moments as a kid. I was like.. holy crap, these doctors wanna be gamers? They make more money that way? I'm going to school for what? Screw this I'll make video games :-)
P.S. Keep in mind this was near the start of the real UPSWING of gaming (well modern gaming). |
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2/27/12 1:50:59 PM#74
Thats what I am saying when I say the MMO side of it took a back seat for the story side of things. The game is / was a single player RPG with MMO elements tacked onto it. Whatever the reason be why they didnt flush out the MMO side isnt really the point. It could have been (lack of money, time restraints, EA, Talent, ect. We will never know). |
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2/27/12 1:51:07 PM#75
SW:TOR hasn't changed my impression of BioWare as much as the release day DLC for Mass Effect 3 has. When I figured out who exactly was making SW:TOR, it was pretty easy to figure out that the game was only going to be a mediocre title. Needless to say, the trifecta of DA2 then SW:TOR and finally release day DLC for Mass Effect 3 has shown that BioWare is in a downward slide. |
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2/27/12 1:52:53 PM#76
I do like SWTOR, but I have cancelled my subscription in protest of the day 1 DLC for Mass Effect 3. I think that whole situation (along with the rushed cash grab that was DA2) has done far, FAR more damage to my perception of them as a company than the fact that their first MMO has a few bugs. Though to be fair, boycotting ME3 is going to hurt a LOT more than not playing SWTOR... |
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2/27/12 1:53:42 PM#77
I never really liked them to begin with...
In the end, the game is okay. Pretty much how I have felt about every MMORPG since WoW ruined the genre... |
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2/27/12 1:59:19 PM#78
My opinion of Bioware has fallen a huge amount over the last two years not just because of SWTOR with was bad but also over DAO 2 being utter rubbish and the upcoming DLC BS for Mass Effect 3 which is just taking the piss imho. I'll pick up a copy of ME3 second hand at some stage but no way on earth am I going pay a dime to Bioware/EA's coffers. |
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2/27/12 2:21:42 PM#79
Originally posted by daeandor !!
Lol, have you ever considered the problem might be yours? Both WoW ruined the genre plus TOR is an ok game? Man are you serious? |
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2/27/12 3:06:42 PM#80
Had to pick my opinion has changed for the better. Why? Simple. They have put out a better MMO at release, than pretty much any other game released in the last decade. Does it have some issues? Yeppers. But those issues can be fixed and so far I see them working pretty fast to do so. It the game everything that say WoW or EQ is? Nope, but then again they were not everything they are now at release either. Heck, WoW still doesn't even have ANY form of player housing, so that right there is a +1 for SWTOR. "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?" |
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