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  sgel

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I've got this creature on my back.. it just wont let go.

2/27/12 6:11:30 AM#21
Originally posted by Coldices
  1. The hype
  2. The progression cap
  3. They want PvP to be an e-sport (IN A F#$N MMO)
  4. The PvP, instead of being Red vs Blue, is now Red vs Blue vs Yellow (OMG WHAT INNOVATION).
  5. It has instant gratification
  6. Personal reason: I don't like PvE aimed games. I want FFA PvP where I can team up with my friends/guild and kill others.

1. All big games have hype, you don't play big games?

2. ok

3. that's 1/3 of the game

4. it's an old idea that worked and hadn't been implemented well since DAOC. What's your problem?

5. not really

6. how is it a PvE aimed games when 2/3 of the game are PvP oriented?

..Cake..

  jpnz

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2/27/12 6:13:03 AM#22

Guild Wars2 has the word 'Guild Wars'.

I certainly can understand if someone didn't like the original GW to think they don't want the sequel as well.

Is it fair? Who cares. It is what it is.

 

I had fun with GW1 so I'm buying GW2 though.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Sideras

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2/27/12 6:13:14 AM#23
Originally posted by Coldices
  1. The hype
  2. The progression cap
  3. They want PvP to be an e-sport (IN A F#$N MMO)
  4. The PvP, instead of being Red vs Blue, is now Red vs Blue vs Yellow (OMG WHAT INNOVATION).
  5. It has instant gratification
  6. Personal reason: I don't like PvE aimed games. I want FFA PvP where I can team up with my friends/guild and kill others.

Sounds like you never played DAoC. e-sport is great, they had that in GW1, no reason to turn their backs on it, [mod edit]

  Vegetto

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2/27/12 6:14:30 AM#24

Oh as for the dev teams excitement, watch the BioWare devs prior to SWTOR release, where they do the "Class vs. Class" discussions, each arguing why they love their class,etc. I should hope the devs like the game, they're making it.

  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

2/27/12 6:14:38 AM#25
Originally posted by Vegetto

There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.

 

Skyrim recieved FAR more industry hype then this game, which is mainly talked about by excited players that have seen the demo vids and read about the systems (which isn't 'hype' really in the way most mean it).

Most of the people playing that game would agree that it met their expectations, and probably a lot would say it exceeded them. It DOES happen... it just dosen't usually happen with MMORPGs. GW2 could easily be the game that it does though.

No way you say? I disagree.

  cruzadoh

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2/27/12 6:18:00 AM#26

easy, only 10 skills + high cooldowns = boring classes

  gainesvilleg

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2/27/12 6:18:37 AM#27
Originally posted by Sideras
Originally posted by Coldices
  1. The hype
  2. The progression cap
  3. They want PvP to be an e-sport (IN A F#$N MMO)
  4. The PvP, instead of being Red vs Blue, is now Red vs Blue vs Yellow (OMG WHAT INNOVATION).
  5. It has instant gratification
  6. Personal reason: I don't like PvE aimed games. I want FFA PvP where I can team up with my friends/guild and kill others.

Sounds like you never played DAoC. e-sport is great, they had that in GW1, no reason to turn their backs on it, besides it won't get in the way of a low life ganker such as you. p.s your avatar is kinda queer.

E-sport is great, but that is what FPS games are for.  I tend to play FPS games for my e-sport itch, and I play MMO's for the sense of building and growing my character and seeing him improve in PVP as my character improves.  With an auto-scaling feature I probably will play GW2 kind of like I play my FPSers:  play for a month or two until the instances get boring and then move on to the next FPSer.

With no motivation to keep playing GW2 in terms of character development I'm not sure what will keep me coming back.  The e-sport may be fun but I doubt it will be as good as an FPS in terms of player skill.  It is still a tab target game for the most part...

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  xenogias

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Posts: 1945

2/27/12 6:19:17 AM#28
Originally posted by Ishoa

Oh I'm sick of being burned for sure as well. Also, I didnt say people who didnt agree with me are 'ignorant.' I said that people who automatically disqualify a game and a genre they like to play without even trying it just because its a sequel maybe need to rethink or do some more searching. Sorry if that want clear. On a similiar note I totally ruled out SWTOR before it released as well. Friends played it so I did some searching and decided to get it. Do I currently play it? No. Do I regret buying it and trying it out? No again. I had some fun times, put in a good number of hours, and felt I got my moneys worth and maybe its something I'll return to who knows. There are going to be people who flat out don't like it and I know that, I guess that isnt really my point. But again sorry if what i said wasn't clear but I never said people who don't agree with me are ignorant.

Fair enough. I think I just got that "vibe" because it was posted on these forums lol. As we all know on these forums if its not thier opinion its wrong.

I think what I was trying to point out is there are plenty of reasons to not want to play GW2. Some reasonable some not. It took me a long time to get a buddy to even look at anything involving GW2. He absolutly hated GW1 so he assumed GW2 would be crap. We had been playing mmo's togeather since Asherons Call. After the press weekend though he did watch some of thoes video's and now he wont shut up about it lol.

  pierth

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Posts: 1517

2/27/12 6:21:33 AM#29
Originally posted by Vegetto

There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.

This is my main reason for not wanting to play (yet). I've been through numerous betas and launches in MMOs and the absolute worst are the ones touted as the next big thing- not because of the game but the players. I'd much rather wait 2-3 months after launch once the biggest bugs are fixed and those players that buy the game completely because of hype leave. Always seems like a couple of months after release about half the population of lunatics and asshats go away.

  Cod_Eye

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Posts: 1027

2/27/12 6:22:00 AM#30
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by biggarfoot

Question: Why do people have reservations about GW2?

Answer = Because they keep comparing it to Guildwars.

 

The 2 games are different genres,  Guildwars is a CORPG.  Guildwars 2 is an MMO.

 

I'm begining to think that maybe Anet should of called GW2 something completely different, stop all this ignorant comparisons.

Ah, so maybe people are concerned then that this will be ANET's first real attempt at a  MMORPG using some previously untested conventions and perhaps don't have the experience and vision to pull off a succesful game, particularly in light at how far short GW1 was from the target mark?

Or perhaps as is so often the case, they are overly focused on what GW2 isn't instead of being more like the OP on what it is?  While the title has everything the OP states, there's a few things we know it lacks, such as mounts/mounted combat, sandbox style gameplay design, holy trinity game mechanics (some folks actually like playing a dedicated healer/tank you know), meaningful (meaning punititve) death penalties, ability to build/defend your own castle/keep etc.)

Now me, I'm taking a different approach these days, I'm focusing on enjoying what a new title brings to the genre and putting aside what it is lacking from my ideal MMORPG (because likely that game is never going to be built) so I manage to find fun in most titles for a time. (currently enjoying SWTOR while I wait for GW2)

edit: btw, anytime you resort to namecalling in your post you've lost your argument.

Name calling?  people calling guildwars an MMO and people thinking its the same or similar to guildwars is nothing short of being ignorant.  Guildwars as a CORPG and a standalone product is actually very good and very successful and still has a strong playerbase.  Not to everyones taste I admit, but WoW, Rift, Eve, and any other MMO you care to mention isnt to everyones taste.  Critisise GW2 for what it is that is fair game, but shouldnt be compared to the original GW.  People saying they dont like GW2 because they didnt like the original title just goes to show how much they bothered to look at the game features.  Some people in other threads have said it looks like WoW, now you go and figure that one out.

  Vegetto

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Posts: 854

2/27/12 6:22:55 AM#31


Originally posted by Vesavius


Originally posted by Vegetto
There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.


 
Skyrim recieved FAR more industry hype then this game, which is mainly talked about by excited players that have seen the demo vids and read about the systems (which isn't 'hype' really in the way most mean it).
Most of the people playing that game would agree that it met their expectations, and probably a lot would say it exceeded them. It DOES happen... it just dosen't usually happen with MMORPGs. GW2 could easily be the game that it does though.
No way you say? I disagree.

Although, going on part trends, it would be sensible to treat religious hype with skepticism. For some bizarre reason, i couldn't get into Skyrim, i think i just miss the MMO features.

  jpnz

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Posts: 3565

2/27/12 6:23:56 AM#32
Originally posted by biggarfoot
 

Name calling?  people calling guildwars an MMO and people thinking its the same or similar to guildwars is nothing short of being ignorant.  Guildwars as a CORPG and a standalone product is actually very good and very successful and still has a strong playerbase.  Not to everyones taste I admit, but WoW, Rift, Eve, and any other MMO you care to mention isnt to everyones taste.  Critisise GW2 for what it is that is fair game, but shouldnt be compared to the original GW.  People saying they dont like GW2 because they didnt like the original title just goes to show how much they bothered to look at the game features.  Some people in other threads have said it looks like WoW, now you go and figure that one out.

You can't have a cake and eat it too.

GW2 will have to accept it has the words GUILD WARS in its title and the good / bad that comes with it.

Is it fair? Who cares, it is what it is.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Vegetto

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Posts: 854

2/27/12 6:27:32 AM#33


Originally posted by pierth


Originally posted by Vegetto
There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.


This is my main reason for not wanting to play (yet). I've been through numerous betas and launches in MMOs and the absolute worst are the ones touted as the next big thing- not because of the game but the players. I'd much rather wait 2-3 months after launch once the biggest bugs are fixed and those players that buy the game completely because of hype leave. Always seems like a couple of months after release about half the population of lunatics and asshats go away.

I think SWTOR followed this pattern perfectly. I think the solid reviews come after 2 months and the realistic population around 3 months (free month + 60 day Timecards).

Of course, it's hard not to play from day 1, but i think i want to avoid games with the treadmill now anyway, so i don't mind waiting.

  Vesavius

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2/27/12 6:29:43 AM#34
Originally posted by Vegetto

 


Originally posted by Vesavius


Originally posted by Vegetto
There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.



 
Skyrim recieved FAR more industry hype then this game, which is mainly talked about by excited players that have seen the demo vids and read about the systems (which isn't 'hype' really in the way most mean it).
Most of the people playing that game would agree that it met their expectations, and probably a lot would say it exceeded them. It DOES happen... it just dosen't usually happen with MMORPGs. GW2 could easily be the game that it does though.
No way you say? I disagree.


 

Although, going on part trends, it would be sensible to treat religious hype with skepticism. For some bizarre reason, i couldn't get into Skyrim, i think i just miss the MMO features.

 

Yeah, I do get that Skyrim wasn't for everyone :)

Just as GW2 won't be, which is fine.

But for the first time in a long time I feel a themepark MMORPG dev gets it... that they have looked at the core issues and all the barriers to play and made moves to remove them.

The only element I feel nervous about is the technical launch side of things... though even that they have taken steps to make a more pleseant experience with the overflow server mechanic it seems.

We shall see :)

  xKingdomx

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2/27/12 6:30:04 AM#35
Originally posted by cruzadoh

easy, only 10 skills + high cooldowns = boring classes

thats ur fault for choosing all high cooldown skills.

 

fail sauce is fail.

How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.

  pierth

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2/27/12 6:34:06 AM#36
Originally posted by Vegetto

 


Originally posted by pierth


Originally posted by Vegetto
There is no way in hell any game could match the amount of hype this is recieving, therefore i'm giving it 2 months from release to read some reviews based on playing it.



This is my main reason for not wanting to play (yet). I've been through numerous betas and launches in MMOs and the absolute worst are the ones touted as the next big thing- not because of the game but the players. I'd much rather wait 2-3 months after launch once the biggest bugs are fixed and those players that buy the game completely because of hype leave. Always seems like a couple of months after release about half the population of lunatics and asshats go away.

 

I think SWTOR followed this pattern perfectly. I think the solid reviews come after 2 months and the realistic population around 3 months (free month + 60 day Timecards).

Of course, it's hard not to play from day 1, but i think i want to avoid games with the treadmill now anyway, so i don't mind waiting.

I definitely understand the urge to play as soon as the game is legitimately available, but the way I see it is the time I spend in game makes the memories I'll have of that game- good or bad- and if waiting a couple of months means a better chance at a better experience then I'm all for it. Of course, I also have multiple games I play (online and offline) so waiting a bit isn't that big a deal. On top of that, aside from some MMOs where you get credited with server first whatever (which means nothing to me) I haven't played one yet where I was seriously left behind or at a gamebreaking disadvantage because I didn't play from day one.

  Skuall

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/20/05
Posts: 862

2/27/12 6:39:10 AM#37
Originally posted by cruzadoh

easy, only 10 skills + high cooldowns = boring classes

u can change weapons with a button in combat , that doubles the skills

 

plus some class get new skills on some situations (elementalist changing attunement) , necro morphing into lich...ect

  Otomox

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Joined: 6/12/07
Posts: 312

2/27/12 6:41:13 AM#38

It´s easy its a themepark mmorpg with loading screens not a true open world. It has no open world pvp and crafting is ass. If you like wow gw2 is probably the right way if you like sandbox games gw2 aint for you.

  Coldices

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Joined: 11/17/06
Posts: 157

2/27/12 6:47:01 AM#39
Originally posted by sgel
Originally posted by Coldices
  1. The hype
  2. The progression cap
  3. They want PvP to be an e-sport (IN A F#$N MMO)
  4. The PvP, instead of being Red vs Blue, is now Red vs Blue vs Yellow (OMG WHAT INNOVATION).
  5. It has instant gratification
  6. Personal reason: I don't like PvE aimed games. I want FFA PvP where I can team up with my friends/guild and kill others.

1. All big games have hype, you don't play big games?

2. ok

3. that's 1/3 of the game

4. it's an old idea that worked and hadn't been implemented well since DAOC. What's your problem?

5. not really

6. how is it a PvE aimed games when 2/3 of the game are PvP oriented?

1. Because of the hype, the personality of the fanboys of GW2 annoy me so much to the point I dont want to play the game.

2. -

3. 1/3 is a major part of a game. And bringin in E-sports will draw even MORE fps-crowd to the MMORPG genre and therefor making the genre even worse then it is now.

4. Because it will turn PvP to something like: Hey! that guy is red so he must be me enemy! KILL THE REDS. It will be PvP not   because they really are your enemy but because the game forces you to make them your enemy...I dont want this in MMO's. In FPS its alright. Sorry its hard to explain this part but I hope you know what I'm getting at. Look at darkfall for example... 

5. ? 

6. They are hyping the dynamic events up so much that I had the impression that it is the main feature (PvE) maybe I'm wrong with that...

 

Anyway... I think GW2 will be a good GAME but not so much a good MMO.

  Master10K

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Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

2/27/12 6:55:10 AM#40
Originally posted by Otomox

It´s easy its a themepark mmorpg with loading screens not a true open world. It has no open world pvp and crafting is ass. If you like wow gw2 is probably the right way if you like sandbox games gw2 aint for you.

I'll take this over your typical Open Gank PvP and I doubt the WoW players that cherish the Holy Trinity and Endgame gear progression would enjoy it much either.

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