Why on earth weren't these basic features - already tried and tested and standard with many lesser MMOs - implemented at SWTOR's launch? This game's been in development since 2005 and was developed by some of the best known names in the industry - so why are we only getting features to uncripple the game now?

Originally posted by noncley

Why on earth weren't these basic features - already tried and tested and standard with many lesser MMOs - implemented at SWTOR's launch? This game's been in development since 2005 and was developed by some of the best known names in the industry - so why are we only getting features to uncripple the game now?

they are not basic features if that helps and in fact is the answer to your question.

People have been completing content since a week or so after the games launch. Indeed some have quit stating there was nothing left in the game for them to do. This does not sound like the game is crippled

Because they listened to the wrong people who insisted those things were tools of the devil or some bs like that.

Originally posted by dubyahite
Company has to launch the game at some point. You can't develop every feature out of every mmo ever and make your launch date.


That being said, these features are expected in a modern game an they don't have a whole lot of time to get them implemented before people start freaking out.

Thes games are very complex systems. People often say things like "it would only take five minutes of coding!" or "the devs are just lazy" or "it's just a couple of if statements!" these people could not be farther from the truth. They have no idea what the internal development process is like and how complex these systems really are.


Even the simplest of features or fixes can have far reaching consequences when it is rushed or poorly implemented. It can cause bugs in completely unrelated systems or break the game in many ways. You need look no further than the Soa bug fixes Bioware has been doing. They are rushe and poorly tested and they always cause more bugs.


TL;DR: it's not as simple as you think.

Classic apologist here folks, just move along.

Originally posted by Skaara55

Because they listened to the wrong people who insisted those things were tools of the devil or some bs like that.

'Don't put in LFG tool, it ruins the community!'

...

'I can't fill groups because no tanks are responding to fleet general, we need some way to find group members easier!  They keep saying something about respec costs raising each time they want to join a group in any decent timeframe, but I don't know what they mean!  I'm just all about that shadow deeps, y'all!'

Like someone else mentioned, they listened to the wrong people. I have been playing for a few months now and can tell you from first hand experience that this game needs a LFG tool. Not because of grouping problems but simply because of the feat of having to travel back to the fleet just to do the flashpoints. Now if the dungeons where out in the open questing world like most mmos, than I could understand the reasoning behind not having this tool. I am at the point now to where if I am deep into my questing I just skip the FPs altogether, because you have to go back to fleet and once done travel back to that planet just to finish up your quests. To much of a bother and a hassle if you ask me, I was a big advocate of this game, but I am beginning see the major flaws in it. After my time is up I am pretty much done with mmos, GW2 and TERA doesn't interest me because I am not into the console based actiony combat.

Duel specs? So you can make a spec specifically for dueling? Well, I guess that's a point in TOR's favor for versitility.

Originally posted by Khaeros

Originally posted by Skaara55

Because they listened to the wrong people who insisted those things were tools of the devil or some bs like that.

 

'Don't put in LFG tool, it ruins the community!'

 

...

 

'I can't fill groups because no tanks are responding to fleet general, we need some way to find group members easier!  They keep saying something about respec costs raising each time they want to join a group in any decent timeframe, but I don't know what they mean!  I'm just all about that shadow deeps, y'all!'

 

 

I rolled a tank..    I like getting easy groups without waiting.  Simple supply and demand.

Most people think (from what I have seen) cross server LFG ruins the community but same server LFG is fine

There were definitely a few things missing from the game, but none of it really stopped me from playing.  Guild banks, LFG tool, that sort of thing would have been nice at the outset, but it's not a gamebreaker.  Making the GTN a little less clunky would have been nice too.

I quit playing after a month or so because of...a lack of fun.  I wasn't having it any more.  I won't go and say that i quit because of these "missing basic features".  I just wasn't having fun.

Note:  I resubbed.  I figure I could play at a minimal rate and just fart around.  I like farting, so it's coming pretty naturally to me.  Keps the wife out of the room, too.

In order to have a game as massive as swtor have all the content it has at launch, things like this had to be post poned. 

so people are going to keep playing a game that won't have these basic systems for another 3 months.

Originally posted by Littlebomb

so people are going to keep playing a game that won't have these basic systems for another 3 months.

it does have basic systems. These are extras

in what way is a customizable UI basic... or dual spec  or cross realm lfg tool?  none of them are actually needed to complete the game.

yes, I can wait 3 months..  The lack of all 3 of them are not stopping me playing the entire game

If I'm not mistaken, I recall hearing the game was released 3 months earlier than BioWare wanted to release it (due to pressure from EA). If thats true, it would explain a lot of the problems and missing bits the game has.

Originally posted by noncley

Why on earth weren't these basic features - already tried and tested and standard with many lesser MMOs - implemented at SWTOR's launch? This game's been in development since 2005 and was developed by some of the best known names in the industry - so why are we only getting features to uncripple the game now?

Because some people get HYSTERICAL when the subject of something like WoW's Dungeon Finder comes up. If you think I'm kidding, you should check out the forums of various games (Rift and SWTOR) and how some people totally lose it when the subject comes up.   The Dev's obviously listened to the wrong people on this, and other subjects.

Not to mention that all of that takes extra time/talent to produce, and I'm betting that EA was in the background yelling GO! GO! GO!... Looking at some of the content after the late 20's and up, its obvious that much of it was rushed.

Dual spec is a pretty big deal when everyone knows there's never enough tanks.  Having to spend upwards of 100k to respec just to run a dungeon is not something many people are willing to do.  It's oversights such as this on BW's part that leaves me baffled.

Originally posted by Khaeros

Originally posted by Skaara55

Because they listened to the wrong people who insisted those things were tools of the devil or some bs like that.

 

'Don't put in LFG tool, it ruins the community!'

 

...

 

'I can't fill groups because no tanks are responding to fleet general, we need some way to find group members easier!  They keep saying something about respec costs raising each time they want to join a group in any decent timeframe, but I don't know what they mean!  I'm just all about that shadow deeps, y'all!'

 

 

Say what you want but the fact it didn't have one is why I left the game

Originally posted by dubyahite
Company has to launch the game at some point. You can't develop every feature out of every mmo ever and make your launch date.


That being said, these features are expected in a modern game an they don't have a whole lot of time to get them implemented before people start freaking out.

Thes games are very complex systems. People often say things like "it would only take five minutes of coding!" or "the devs are just lazy" or "it's just a couple of if statements!" these people could not be farther from the truth. They have no idea what the internal development process is like and how complex these systems really are.


Even the simplest of features or fixes can have far reaching consequences when it is rushed or poorly implemented. It can cause bugs in completely unrelated systems or break the game in many ways. You need look no further than the Soa bug fixes Bioware has been doing. They are rushe and poorly tested and they always cause more bugs.


TL;DR: it's not as simple as you think.

Truth. This is it.

basic features name a modern MMO to release with a LFG Tool in the west  ?  You cant rift didnt even have it until 3 months after.