Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Majinash

yes, you should avoid this game.  It has no carrot on a stick for you, and your healing role isn't here.  Not the game for you.

 

Also, good luck on getting your beta invite.

Believe it or not most of the MMO population really like to heal, tank, be a buffer or a dps.

How do you know that? Do we have numbers on that? And by "numbers" I mean "people who have actually said they prefer this system and not just a survey of the number of tanks/dps/healers in any given game?"

Because how would you identify someone like me, who have played healers and tanks and dps in other games, because I never had a say, but would throw that out in a heartbeat if another option were presented to me?

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Majinash

yes, you should avoid this game.  It has no carrot on a stick for you, and your healing role isn't here.  Not the game for you.

 

Also, good luck on getting your beta invite.

Believe it or not most of the MMO population really like to heal, tank, be a buffer or a dps.

How do you know that? Do we have numbers on that? And by "numbers" I mean "people who have actually said they prefer this system and not just a survey of the number of tanks/dps/healers in any given game?"

Because how would you identify someone like me, who have played healers and tanks and dps in other games, because I never had a say, but would throw that out in a heartbeat if another option were presented to me?

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Majinash

yes, you should avoid this game.  It has no carrot on a stick for you, and your healing role isn't here.  Not the game for you.

 

Also, good luck on getting your beta invite.

Believe it or not most of the MMO population really like to heal, tank, be a buffer or a dps.

How do you know that? Do we have numbers on that? And by "numbers" I mean "people who have actually said they prefer this system and not just a survey of the number of tanks/dps/healers in any given game?"

Because how would you identify someone like me, who have played healers and tanks and dps in other games, because I never had a say, but would throw that out in a heartbeat if another option were presented to me?

 

don't take his bait remember to take note who said it and take note of the op, it actually adds up and makes a lot of sense as to why this stuff and attempts is being said. It happens with every mmo release not surprised as I literally wasn't with teaks though least he's going to try the game out.

Ugh, my bad for not checking posting history.

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Originally posted by Monorojo
Ive been reading and it seems that healing is completely eliminated from the equation (besides self heals and intangible aoe heals that everyone gets. It kinda sounds like everyone is a dpser who has the ability to dodge and heal.
 
So instead of the holy trinity, everyone is just the exact same thing.
 
That is cool...i guess?
 
To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

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No.

I am often, if not usually, primarily a priest, cleric or paladin character. I like to heal, I like to support. I like to help my allies out. I like to focus on more than just killing the mobs. I like to orchestrate strategies and help my party execute them. I don't want to either mindlessly DPS something or mindlessly click heals. I was a priest first in WoW, and I ended up just clicking health bars and clicking whichever heal was best. It ended up being a game of rock paper scissors with which heal was best. I was very good at it, but it was very satisfying.

My main is almost certainly going to be a guardian. There is so much for me to do with that profession. I can kill, certainly, and I do like that. (One problem I often had with MMOs was that the class I liked best for healing was severely gimped in solo PvE. Not so here.) I can heal allies. I can keep the fight going. I can protect us all from the enemy. I can hit both enemies and allies with great buffs and debuffs. I can give us all a damage boost at just the right time, or save us all from a single powerful attack. I can stop the enemy in its tracks for just long enough for us to all reposition.

If you like supporting your party, you are going to love this game. There is so much more proactive work for you to do. There is less reactive help, but there is some. If all you like to do is watch health bars go up and down, then no, this is not the game for you. Though I doubt you fall into that last camp. Few people really do. I think you'll love the game. Give it a shot.

You cant play a traditional healing class..

But you can play kind of a support role with some classes where you heal your party somewhat and prevent them to take damage...  It might even get close to AoC healing the way you would be playing .....

Yes... you should avoid this game.

If you enjoy having a set role and assignement that is never gonna change no matter what content you take on then no... this game is not for you.

This game is for people who hate that... Lucky for you there are MANY trinity based MMO's on the market

Originally posted by Monorojo

Ive been reading and it seems that healing is completely eliminated from the equation (besides self heals and intangible aoe heals that everyone gets. It kinda sounds like everyone is a dpser who has the ability to dodge and heal.

 

So instead of the holy trinity, everyone is just the exact same thing.

 

That is cool...i guess?

 

To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

Surely you don't JUST HEAL all the way to level cap. You role as a healer only comes into play when it's time to raid or pvp. Why avoid this like a plague just because of that?

Or are you saying you hate all those times you had to level up to get to endgame?

Originally posted by Monorojo

Ive been reading and it seems that healing is completely eliminated from the equation (besides self heals and intangible aoe heals that everyone gets. It kinda sounds like everyone is a dpser who has the ability to dodge and heal.

 

So instead of the holy trinity, everyone is just the exact same thing.

 

That is cool...i guess?

 

To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

In most games with holy trinity combat, healers do more then just raise hp bars. They also remove debuffs, sometimes provide buffs in the form of wards etc. So its not only about being reactive when a lot of hp is lost already, but also about being proactive. Buffing a (in those cases) tank before the encounter starts.

In GW2 you can take on this role too with the right skills equipped. Though not a hp bar watching healer, but a Guardian or Water Elementalists that places AOE healing , wards etc both in a proactive and reactive way. It will just be more situational and dynamic and not just tank and heal.

So with the right skills equipped you can still be mainly support instead of dps. This setup is just not limited to a specific profession. I also suspect that for exploration mode dungeons itll be necessary for some players to switch to a more supporting role within their profession.

Originally posted by Monorojo

Ive been reading and it seems that healing is completely eliminated from the equation (besides self heals and intangible aoe heals that everyone gets. It kinda sounds like everyone is a dpser who has the ability to dodge and heal.

 

So instead of the holy trinity, everyone is just the exact same thing.

 

That is cool...i guess?

 

To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

oh i dunno i kinda like the engineer kits that do things like:

1. Spray elixir fumes in a cone pattern poisoning enemies and removing conditions from allies
2. Shoot an elixir orb that heals allies on impact and creates a healing area
3. Drop a pack of bandages that provides a little healing
4. Drop a vial of antidote that removes conditions.
5. Drop a bottle of stimulating liquor, granting fury and swiftness.
6. Heal yourself and randomly gain protection, regeneration, or swiftness. Throw is available to affect an allie.
7. Deploys a turret that heals you briefly, and then continues to apply regeneration to you and nearby allies.
8. Break out of a stun and gain immunity to blindness and critical hits.
9. Vent a healing mist, granting Regeneration to yourself and allies.
10. Request a massive supply drop, complete with turrets and bandages.

Each one of those came from descriptions of a single ability and of course those abilities are based off of the kits you choose but that's the great thing about this game, you can change the needed role on the fly in coordination with other people you are with so that you're teams are more successful. No more of this, waiting crap to find the right person, and no more of this teamed content failed because a single person didn't work out or left due to not using the correct mod or whatnot or being spec'd like a cookie cutter. I think it's fantastic oh and while being able to do these things, the engineer still has the ability to lob grenades, use damage turrets, poison attacks, use mines, it's all in the choices you make and what you switch your skills out to be.

Edit: I've looked up three professions now, every profession seems to give the user a set of choices that do similar things when breaking down the abilities into HoTs, Cures, and AOE heals so basically yeah you can be a healer, the only differences are the people aggroing can dodge to reduce damage now and you don't spend all of your time looking at bars.

Edit2: Apparently i was wrong, i looked at the thief and warrior and while some of their abilities do provide buffs and remove conditions from allies, they don't have a clear healing role. it appears that the only professions with healing abilities are Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer with some minor abilities with the Ranger, Mesmer.

Originally posted by DannyGlover

I will make a gentleman's wager with you Loke. GW2 will have gear progression with increasing stats at max level. Not at launch, since most gear progression mmos don't do that in vanilla anyway. But by the first major content patch, we will see new gear with better stats on them. Just a friendly bet, no malice or ill will :)

GW1 had multipul expansions, none of which increased the power of items. So unless they've had a massive change in their design philosophy its unlikely they will follow that vertical style of progression. Future content expansions will focus on new skills, classes and potentially new weapon options for existing classes when it comes to power options. 

I'd be suprised if they suddenly change to a gear treadmill design.

Originally posted by DannyGlover

 

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Originally posted by Loke666
In regular MMOs you hunt for better stuff than you really have, GW2 is more about having fun and customize your character without gaining gear with better stats.

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I will make a gentleman's wager with you Loke. GW2 will have gear progression with increasing stats at max level. Not at launch, since most gear progression mmos don't do that in vanilla anyway. But by the first major content patch, we will see new gear with better stats on them. Just a friendly bet, no malice or ill will :)

Incorrect. Anet already stated that max stat gear will be easily achievable when you hit max level. They don't want that sort of power progression, because it isolates people who play casually and doesn't really fit jump-in playstyle.

Closest thing to power progression may occur on level cap increase, and even that is uncertain (considering the fact that GW1 had none of it).

On the bright side.....noone can blame the healer anymore for letting the tank die now can they?

You can finally tell them to go heal themself. hehe

Originally posted by Monorojo

To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

If you love filling red bars, avoid this game at all cost!

If you love amazing split-second "I-just-saved-your-ass" moments, give it a try. You may be surprised.

Originally posted by DannyGlover

 

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Originally posted by Loke666
In regular MMOs you hunt for better stuff than you really have, GW2 is more about having fun and customize your character without gaining gear with better stats.

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I will make a gentleman's wager with you Loke. GW2 will have gear progression with increasing stats at max level. Not at launch, since most gear progression mmos don't do that in vanilla anyway. But by the first major content patch, we will see new gear with better stats on them. Just a friendly bet, no malice or ill will :)

You obviously haven't played GW1. You also have not even taken into consideration the difference between subsciption based models and B2P and how those very models affect their game design. And oh, please make it an actual bet with money involved. :P

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Monorojo

To get back to the point, I love healing in other MMOs. Avoid this game correct?

That... that's an option, certainly.

Though it reminds me of yesterday when I was trying to convince my three year old to try some blue corn tortilla chips because the bag was already open.

'I don't LIKE blue chips!'

'Have you tried them?'

'No'

'Why don't you try them?  They're super tasty!'

'I like YELLOW chips'

'... but maybe you'd like blue chips too!'

'No, I like YELLOW chips'

'I love blue chips!  Mmm, look, I'm eating some!'

'I don't WANT blue chips, I want yellow chips!'

'How about you try just ONE?  Maybe you'll like it!'

'Blue chips are icky!  I want YELLOW chips'

'... I thought you said you never tried it'

'YELLOW CHIPS'

... but hey.  If you're positive that you want healing in MMOs and the untried alternatives are no good, more power to you.

... want a chip? :)

soo nicely said! +1

P.S. Can u make my 1,9 yo boy to try the salad pls:P ?

sorry man, your kid needs a good spanking....no offence.

When i was younger i ate what my parents gave me.....we didnt get the choice between 2 or 3 different kinds of chips.

lolz...kids these days just OWN their parents.

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by zephermarkus

I am just wondering what everyone is going to do when they hit max lvl cause there is no progression at all in the game a max, but everyone always complains there is nothing to do in othere mmos end-game so not sure what the hype is about this game.

Well nobody is going to do World v World or Explorable Dungeons... that's for sure.

/sarcasm

I am curious to see how long they remain popular, certainly.  I have my doubts, without any sort of progression, since that tends to be a central pillar of what draws people to the content of RPGs, and especially MMORPGs.  I'm wondering if maybe there's more to it, that ANet hasn't let on about, or if maybe it'll just be simply fun enough that I'll be flat out wrong about this.. guess we'll see :)

Originally posted by Magnum2103

You can spec a Guardian almost solely as a healer with little DPS.  Closest thing you can get to a healer at the moment.

Water Elementalist and a Medikit Engineer are heal heavy too.

They'll work a bit like healers in AoC, where a lot of it will be heals over time and you'll be DPSing and doing other support in between heals.

Edit:  Guess I should mention the build.

Mace / Focus (this gives you 2 heals as well as a self-heal on the final chain of your mace attack as well as another ability that grants protection - a 33% damage reduction - to the group)

Healing Breeze (AoE Hot)

Merciful Intervention (heals the lowest health ally)

Signet of Mercy (passive healing buff and a quick revive)

Renewed Focus (refreshes your virtues which essentially gives you another HoT and Aegis to the party, which blocks a single attack)

Sanctuary or Tome of Courage (Tome grants you powerful support spells, while Sanctuary is similar to WoW's pally bubble only it effects anyone within the bubble)

You can also cleanse conditions on your party with your focus heal and virtue of resolve.

Just out of curiosity, are you blurting stuff under NDA or have these abilities/skills been revealed somewhere?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_guardian_skills