I have to agree that the copying is really no big deal especially since we won't even get started on all the thing's Rift copied....

Plus as others have said MMO companies need to start taking others ideas and blending them all together it makes the genre so much better....

Originally posted by VikingGamer

 

Well, to be fair they did improve on the PQ quite a bit. They appear (semi) randomly, they can be closed, at least for a while, they have  more stages, branching based on success and they spit out invaders.  They took a good idea as a template and then iterated it into something better. Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that this and variations of it will become common and even expected for the next generation of MMOs. It is not the solution to every problem but it is a solid mechanic for adding dynamic elements to a game.

I see your point, but have to disagree. Every PQ in WAR had its own feel and sometimes unique mobs, voice overs, and custom scripting, so at the very least each felt unique. In Rift, once I've closed 10 fire rifts, I honestly don't care how many branches, how many stages, or what bosses it has, because they all look the same. The only thing I really felt was a clear improvement was the dynamic opening and closing that they did, rather than being cycled on a timer like WAR PQs. 

But that's exactly what my initial point was - there's nothing wrong with taking a concept and refining it - on paper it appears that Tera is fixing a few of the design flaws in Rift's implementation. 

I never even knew they had this, oh well still going to test the game this weekend see how it pans out.

Sine TERA's more of an Aion than a RIFT competitor it was most likely to avoid using the name "Rifts" that Aion uses.

Originally posted by tavtav

Originally posted by VikingGamer

 

Well, to be fair they did improve on the PQ quite a bit. They appear (semi) randomly, they can be closed, at least for a while, they have  more stages, branching based on success and they spit out invaders.  They took a good idea as a template and then iterated it into something better. Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that this and variations of it will become common and even expected for the next generation of MMOs. It is not the solution to every problem but it is a solid mechanic for adding dynamic elements to a game.

I see your point, but have to disagree. Every PQ in WAR had its own feel and sometimes unique mobs, voice overs, and custom scripting, so at the very least each felt unique. In Rift, once I've closed 10 fire rifts, I honestly don't care how many branches, how many stages, or what bosses it has, because they all look the same. The only thing I really felt was a clear improvement was the dynamic opening and closing that they did, rather than being cycled on a timer like WAR PQs. 

But that's exactly what my initial point was - there's nothing wrong with taking a concept and refining it - on paper it appears that Tera is fixing a few of the design flaws in Rift's implementation. 

That is true, they were all very unique, at least in the second and third stages. I am not so sure Rift's design had flaws as much as they simply didn't make enough variety in the rifts. I think Rift was overall an improvement to the mechanic, they just failed in otherways.

The flaw that I saw was in how they were implemented, not the mechanics of any single rift. Basically, you're sick of them before you get out of the first couple zones. 

As an end-game only mechanic to spice up max-level play, I think it's a great idea, and it looks like that's what Tera is doing. 

Originally posted by Deathofsage

Originally posted by tavtav

If every game has questing like SWTOR I'm done with MMOs. What a ghastly concept. 

Not just that, but resource-wasting. That kind of thing costs wayyy too much for way too little. Yeah it's nice for big important quests to have nice voices.. even star voices... like the fall of an expansion's boss.. but every quest.. it's just silly.

I do James Earl Jones from C&C though, and a few less notable stars they had.

Good point, it would eventually get annoying for some if not most people and it would be expensive for no reason..

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Originally posted by Shadowdawnz

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Originally posted by Deathofsage
Much of the little english info on KTERA's upcoming patch talking about dynamic content unabashedly called these tears in space-time-whatever "rifts", as well as some of the artwork looking like something out of Rift itself, but it's official from En Masse (the team behind the english localization) that we Westerners will refer to it as a Nexus.
It doesn't make the the ripoff of the idea, or the ripoff of the implentation of it, any less hilariously sad though. I'm playing this game for combat but still get a good laugh they'd blatantly and unabashedly copy it.
Does a rift by any other name still seem as foreboding?
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/UmmTERA-implementing-RIFTs?page=2#post-85173

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It's not sad when all companies rip off ideas from another. It has become the norm. Plus, I don't really care, not because it's Tera, but because i'm use to seeying things be implemented from one game to another ( or from one commodity to another). That's how the world works. For example, look at our phones and tablets .. One idea gets popular then everyone follows the idea ( in their own unique way, of course)..
Imo, every game should have something like Rift and something like what Swtor has in terms of voice acting for every quest..It might not be the most popular idea to everyone.. but i'm sure, based on subscription numbers, the ideas where well received. 
 
Just my 2 cents...

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Well TERA does have voice acting and cut-scenes, they just don't spam it with every single quest. Only the big, main quest get those.

check it out here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCKo1fV_B4

The soundbytes attatched to every NPC are however horrible.

The youtube you just linked.. while I can't understand a word of it (audibly), it sounds like the actors, elspecially the sorceress' actress, put convincing emotion into that role. Hopefully english translations get that much effort.

Originally posted by Deathofsage

The soundbytes attatched to every NPC are however horrible.

The youtube you just linked.. while I can't understand a word of it (audibly), it sounds like the actors, elspecially the sorceress' actress, put convincing emotion into that role. Hopefully english translations get that much effort.

 Our cutscenes suck ass, English butchers everything out of Asia, whether it's anime dubs or games.

So, so true...

For me, I love Bioware's approach to questing. I get annoyed of having to read endless text. I'd read a book instead. I find it more engaging when I can hear (and read) what the npc is saying to me ( with the option of skipping if i've done the quest already) .

Originally posted by Shadowdawnz

So, so true...

 

For me, I love Bioware's approach to questing. I get annoyed of having to read endless text. I'd read a book instead. I find it more engaging when I can hear (and read) what the npc is saying to me ( with the option of skipping if i've done the quest already) .

By the same token, I'd watch a movie if I wanted to see people talking. Some people don't want to discuss stuff with NPCs. They just want to "get to the juicy part". There are also many great games and RPGs outside of MMOs that have no voice overs and are greater than most other games (see Zelda). Btw Tera does have voice overs on all NPCs as far as I noticed, they just keep it simple.

I don't want endless cutsence i have to skip it gets pretty annnonying pretty fast XD I always rush though on first character to cap and come back later for the story when i'm lvling an alt.

Tera will have rifts?  The wait for GW2 just got so much easier...

Originally posted by lectrocuda

Tera will have rifts?  The wait for GW2 just got so much easier...

Since when is massive PvE event a bad thing? O wait entire GW2 is full of massive PvE events. I guess your wait for GW2 is easier because you don't need to wait for it any more ^_^

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by lectrocuda

Tera will have rifts?  The wait for GW2 just got so much easier...

Since when is massive PvE event a bad thing? O wait entire GW2 is full of massive PvE events. I guess your wait for GW2 is easier because you don't need to wait for it any more ^_^

Lec could have meant that rifts add excitement so will give him something more to do while waiting for GW2? idk

Originally posted by Deathofsage

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by lectrocuda

Tera will have rifts?  The wait for GW2 just got so much easier...

Since when is massive PvE event a bad thing? O wait entire GW2 is full of massive PvE events. I guess your wait for GW2 is easier because you don't need to wait for it any more ^_^

Lec could have meant that rifts add excitement so will give him something more to do while waiting for GW2? idk

than my bad for misunderstnading, too much tera bashing going on, but i do see your point.