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  ArgoZex77

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2/19/12 8:56:03 PM#21

I thought this game would be awesome...... I failed....

  Jakard

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2/19/12 9:11:10 PM#22

Has it dawned on anyone that the review was one guy's opinion? But it seems to be pretty accurate if you look at the Metacritic average score. The game isn't without it's flaws but let's face it, especially on a community like this one, no game is going to be good enough. Get over it and move on. If you hate the game so much, play something else.

  iceman00

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OP  2/19/12 10:03:13 PM#23
Originally posted by Jakard

Has it dawned on anyone that the review was one guy's opinion? But it seems to be pretty accurate if you look at the Metacritic average score. The game isn't without it's flaws but let's face it, especially on a community like this one, no game is going to be good enough. Get over it and move on. If you hate the game so much, play something else.

Nobody is ever demanding perfection.  A lot of us can praise things games do, even if we didn't like that game.  I personally didn't like Warcraft.  Yet they got the interface right, they got the LFG mechanics, and this added a lot of excellent polish as the game developed over the years.

I was simply pointing out that after the glowing initial review, they really are turning into a hard critic.  Whatever one thinks of IGN, they do carry a lot of weight in the gaming community.  And what they say is 100% right.  It's beyond insulting the current pvp system as it exists.

  dubyahite

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2/20/12 1:42:19 AM#24
First of all, that article is only about Ilum. Hardly representative about the entire game.


Second, Ilum is messed up. Everyone knows this. Even the most diehard of fans will tell you that Ilum is messed up.

This is not news to anyone.

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  xKingdomx

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2/20/12 1:48:34 AM#25

Did EA forget to pay for IGN's monthly subscription? Because I didn't pay SWTOR's sub this month.

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  Dredphyre

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2/20/12 5:25:07 AM#26

I see, because he denigrates the game, the review is NOW somehow credible, and he's not on the take from anybody.

 

lol, you all are pathetic, you know that?

  dinams

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2/20/12 5:26:23 AM#27
Originally posted by Dredphyre

I see, because he denigrates the game, the review is NOW somehow credible, and he's not on the take from anybody.

 

lol, you all are pathetic, you know that?

Not less than you gentleman

Like I said, point to me one bad EA review from IGN and I will make your point valid

Or maybe EA only produces masterpieces? lmao

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  DarkPony

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2/20/12 5:44:41 AM#28

The underlying problem runs much deeper in my opinion. It's not so much how Illum is badly implemented, but world pvp being restricted to a dedicated area on a dedicated world in the first place and how normal towns and hubs on all other planets are just meant to be faction restricted pve infrastructure, rather than doubling as world pvp objectives.

No open world overlap between pve and pvp content and no endgame incentives to return to the various worlds make the worlds predictable and stale, especially since open world pve content while leveling is pretty much only found in faction exclusive area's. And the great rewards for repetitive, instanced warzones only make that problem worse.

I guess they went with the Illum concept because it was a way to have open world pvp also on pve servers ...

  InFaVilla

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2/20/12 8:38:49 AM#29
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by Dredphyre

I see, because he denigrates the game, the review is NOW somehow credible, and he's not on the take from anybody.

 

lol, you all are pathetic, you know that?

Not less than you gentleman

Like I said, point to me one bad EA review from IGN and I will make your point valid

Or maybe EA only produces masterpieces? lmao

Old review, but it was indeed developed by EA:

 

http://psx.ign.com/articles/161/161601p1.html

 

It scored 5.5 :).

 

Edit:

Another one, 6.0 from 2010:

http://ds.ign.com/articles/108/1085154p1.html

 

Edit2:

6.5 from 2010:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/113/1135750p1.html

  DaRoamer

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2/20/12 9:14:33 AM#30
YouOriginally posted by dinams
Originally posted by Dredphyre

I see, because he denigrates the game, the review is NOW somehow credible, and he's not on the take from anybody.

 

lol, you all are pathetic, you know that?

Not less than you gentleman

Like I said, point to me one bad EA review from IGN and I will make your point valid

Or maybe EA only produces masterpieces? lmao

You don't even have to go back far, Need For Speed: The Run, Nov 15 2011, IGN gave it a 6.5 http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1212405p1.html

So you agree his point is valid?

  Wickedjelly

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2/20/12 10:45:07 AM#31
Originally posted by iceman00

Nobody is ever demanding perfection.  A lot of us can praise things games do, even if we didn't like that game.  I personally didn't like Warcraft.  Yet they got the interface right, they got the LFG mechanics, and this added a lot of excellent polish as the game developed over the years.

I was simply pointing out that after the glowing initial review, they really are turning into a hard critic.  Whatever one thinks of IGN, they do carry a lot of weight in the gaming community.  And what they say is 100% right.  It's beyond insulting the current pvp system as it exists.

Well, in all fairness you and I both know the person that initially reviewed the game never even got close to being able to see what Ilum was about. I mean we can debate whether that takes away validity from his review, but frankly it isn't surprising the initial review didn't mention or find any of these issues because we all know that dude never even made it close to ever getting there.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  TeknoBug

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2/20/12 11:17:38 AM#32


Originally posted by brody71

i agree with this. swtor sold 2million copies cause everyone wanted to be apart of the next big thing. which is what swtor was hyped up to be.  more people than not that bought the game bought it because of that hype.
 


Did you know how popular KOTOR was? That was a damn good game, it's part of why SWTOR sold so many. Mass Effect series is pretty popular too and would sell many if Bioware made an MMO version.


  leojreimroc

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2/20/12 11:22:38 AM#33
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Which completely contradicts their score of "9.0," effectively outing their bipolar avarice.

"Well, this game sucks! We're giving it a 9.0! Thanks for this big sack of money, EA/Bioware! Kiss George Lucas's ass for us too!" - IGN

 

If you read the article, it doesn't say that the game sucks.  It says that Illum sucks.  That's 2 very different things.

  Robsolf

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2/20/12 11:25:11 AM#34
Originally posted by DarkPony

The underlying problem runs much deeper in my opinion. It's not so much how Illum is badly implemented, but world pvp being restricted to a dedicated area on a dedicated world in the first place and how normal towns and hubs on all other planets are just meant to be faction restricted pve infrastructure, rather than doubling as world pvp objectives.

No open world overlap between pve and pvp content and no endgame incentives to return to the various worlds make the worlds predictable and stale, especially since open world pve content while leveling is pretty much only found in faction exclusive area's. And the great rewards for repetitive, instanced warzones only make that problem worse.

I guess they went with the Illum concept because it was a way to have open world pvp also on pve servers ...

I agree.  If you have PvP and PvE servers, there's little reason to keep factions as reined from each other as they are on most planets.  It would be a different story if there were only PvP servers, but people join PvP servers to PvP; let em go at it!

  iceman00

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OP  2/20/12 8:20:57 PM#35
Originally posted by leojreimroc
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Which completely contradicts their score of "9.0," effectively outing their bipolar avarice.

"Well, this game sucks! We're giving it a 9.0! Thanks for this big sack of money, EA/Bioware! Kiss George Lucas's ass for us too!" - IGN

 

If you read the article, it doesn't say that the game sucks.  It says that Illum sucks.  That's 2 very different things.

The same person (and the IGN staff as a whole) has also criticized lack of endgame content, illum, overemphasis on storylines, etc.

Part of this just shows how damn hard MMO's are to "rate."  And it is true.  Yet my point was simply after being outright worshipful of this game, that obviously is the past.  In what is a rarity, IGN is willing to look objectively at something.

For example, they couldn't understand what all the rage was about over DA2 on the PC.  They rated it pretty damn high.  Yet they took someone who was a console gamer who loved the instant gratification, and told him to rate the game.  That wasn't the audience that played DA:O.

Whether DA2 sucked or not was subjective.  Yet they didn't seem to understand the complaints of a lot of fans, because they basically were from two different worlds.

Same principle with TOR.  They are putting people who are mainly single player afficinados review the game, and review only small parts of it.  Of course they will find it better.  Yet for the person experienced in the MMO world, who plays a game not to meet a review deadline, but actually plays in the world, they learned that this game was nowhere near a 9.

These articles by the original reviewer show he is awaking to that consciousness.

  Chieftan

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2/20/12 11:04:08 PM#36

There'll be peace in the Middle East before PVPers find a MMO they're happy with.

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  Cavod

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2/20/12 11:19:07 PM#37
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Which completely contradicts their score of "9.0," effectively outing their bipolar avarice.

"Well, this game sucks! We're giving it a 9.0! Thanks for this big sack of money, EA/Bioware! Kiss George Lucas's ass for us too!" - IGN

 

If you ask me, the problem lies in trying to review a MMO in a (+/-)month's time.  (and no beta doesn't count)

 

If it is possible to accurately and fully review a MMO in the first few months after release then there's your problem right there, it's not a real "MMORPG".

We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  iceman00

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OP  2/20/12 11:19:31 PM#38
Originally posted by Chieftan

There'll be peace in the Middle East before PVPers find a MMO they're happy with.

I was quite content with the pvp in SWG.  I was quite content with the pvp in the original Guild Wars.  And while I had issues, I was content enough to play POTBS for 3 years, and it still has the best pvp combat around.

A lot of PvPer's are quite content with EvE (I am one of the few who never has been it seems.) 

A PvP'er is actually pretty damn easy to satisfy.  Give us a relatively balanced combat system and players to fight, and we will be happy.

  Isawa

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2/20/12 11:26:13 PM#39

From article,

"The rewards are really good – you get a PvP gear back for the daily quests"

Pretty sure that was "bag", and this is just the 2nd paragraph. Continuing to read...

  User Deleted
2/20/12 11:27:39 PM#40
Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

IGN: The Fox News of video game industry.

 

  You're being far far FAR too complimentary.  I originally went to the site because (apparently) they had a lot of good info on DAOC (back when I started in early 2002)  Unfortunately, all I did find was outdated articles, and flamewars (pretty much completely uncontrolled - unless you were friends with a mod - then you pretty much had your way) on the boards.  It was the biggest cesspool I've ever seen.

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