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  Iselin

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2/17/12 11:01:15 AM#41

Game of Thrones MMO? No frigging way! Just when your character starts to get interesting it'd be killed off forever

  someforumguy

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2/17/12 11:04:38 AM#42
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

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Wasn't my point. Funcom tried to make a grown up game (in rating) that would sell. Having boobs and blood helps with that. That doesnt mean that they also automatically think grown ups is just about blood and boobs. I think this is quite obvious.

I've played my fair share of Avalon Hill strategic boardgames and pen and paper rpgs. Not that I still would want that. I'm very glad that the pcgames make it possible that you as player have a lot less rules to learn before you can play. Even with more complex games (just imagine the rule book for EVE Online by using shipmodels and dice Oo ).

 

 All I'm saying is that Funcom marketed AoC as a "mature" MMORPG, and to them "mature" appears to have meant the same thing as it does to a movie that comes on Cinemax at 1AM.  Personally, it annoys me a little.  I don't see what is so mature about boobies and blood.  I liked boobies and blood when I was 13 and I still like them today.  I don't think I've "matured" into liking them.

I'm also not trying to say that I think it's "wrong" to like childish things as an adult.  Heck, I love watching cartoons, even My Little Pony lol.  The sad thing is that the plots in MLP are sometimes just as complex as the plots  in many "adult" shows.  In fact, if you literally took the dialogue and plot out of some MLP episodes and redid them as a typical live action sitcom...it would be considered a show for adults.

I basically just think it's a sad state of the world in which we define "mature" to just mean things that we normally don't let children see like boobies and blood.  And not things that children can't appreciate because they are too complex.  It just shows a kind of...lack of development.

I think that in this case you have to look at it through the Conan fans' eyes. They expected blood and boobs because the comics have them too. I don't know the comics well, I just remembered all the writing about it on the forums in anticipation of the game.

And I'm sorry that you just woke up and discovered that sad state of the world (in mainstream entertainment anyway) :p

 Your comment about the Conan fans is true.  And I agree, the game should have blood and boobs.  But as you say, I'm more just lamenting about the fact that "mature" in marketing typically just means "bloody and/or naked" and has nothing to do with complexity.

Maybe The Secret World will have the more interesting and complex plots. I haven't followed the game's development in much detail, but the setting seems to be better for that.

Well, untill they decide they need more boobs and fire some writers to save budget to hire some porn actresses to motion capture in funny poses.

  Yamota

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2/17/12 12:02:16 PM#43
Originally posted by DeaconX

Did you guys know BioWare was almost made a Game of Thrones mmorpg before they made the final decision to go with SWTOR?

 

I wonder how the game would have been different... or if we'd pretty much have a Game of Thrones WoW clone...

The horror, the horror....

  InFaVilla

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2/17/12 12:04:53 PM#44
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by DeaconX

Did you guys know BioWare was almost made a Game of Thrones mmorpg before they made the final decision to go with SWTOR?

 

I wonder how the game would have been different... or if we'd pretty much have a Game of Thrones WoW clone...

The horror, the horror....

 

I just realized how thankful I am over SWTOR's existence. I can't imagine how it would be in alternate world.

  Axehilt

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2/17/12 1:05:35 PM#45
Originally posted by Cuathon
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Cembrye

I am not sure where I read this, but I believe George R. Martin has vowed to never allow GOT to be made into a MMORPG.  I suspect he cares too much about his consequence/choice driven world to allow it to be turned into the Theme Park Gear/Level Grind that one of the big companies would shoehorn it into.

Sad to say, but we are reaching the point where it no longer matters what IP or era is being simulated.  Every major MMORPG is a near-clone with identical business models built on mass churn and short term exploitation for maximum profit.  Game of Thrones Online would be no exception.

Well let's not pretend that the Timesinks and Tedium of Sandbox design is a good fit for the IP either.

Game of Thrones definitely isn't about travel timesinks and tedious crafting and an empty world.  It's about Interesting Events and Intigue.

So a faithful MMORPG would focus on those consequences and choices and make them a frequent part of play.

You are totally wrong. Large parts of the story revolve around travel.

Just like how LOTR is entirely about travel right?  Except that it's predominantly about adventurous events and not the tedium of travel (and the tedious parts of LOTR are certainly not the memorable parts. They're the least interesting parts of the books.)

Viewers of entertainment want to witness or participate in interesting events.

But feel free to believe that a game about massive timesinks around travel would be enjoyable to normal players, I guess.

  DJJazzy

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2/17/12 1:16:44 PM#46
Originally posted by InFaVilla

No, hell no. Game of Thrones is mainly about intrigue and schemes; not about having an interesting lore and background. I don't think it would translate well into a mmo; maybe decent as a single player game, but even as such the strength from the books wouldn't translate well into a game.

^

I agree 100%

I love the series but it just wouldn't translate well into an mmo.

  Creslin321

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2/17/12 1:44:00 PM#47
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by InFaVilla

No, hell no. Game of Thrones is mainly about intrigue and schemes; not about having an interesting lore and background. I don't think it would translate well into a mmo; maybe decent as a single player game, but even as such the strength from the books wouldn't translate well into a game.

^

I agree 100%

I love the series but it just wouldn't translate well into an mmo.

 I actually think ASoIaF (game of thrones) would work well as a Europa Universalis style strategy game.  Where you control nations and dynasties.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  dinams

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2/17/12 1:46:18 PM#48

GoT is perfect with the new Crusader Kings 2 game (where anyone in your realm can plot against you, including murdering you or a member of your family or even try to steal your crown or declare indepedence)

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  DJJazzy

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2/17/12 1:46:49 PM#49
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by InFaVilla

No, hell no. Game of Thrones is mainly about intrigue and schemes; not about having an interesting lore and background. I don't think it would translate well into a mmo; maybe decent as a single player game, but even as such the strength from the books wouldn't translate well into a game.

^

I agree 100%

I love the series but it just wouldn't translate well into an mmo.

 I actually think ASoIaF (game of thrones) would work well as a Europa Universalis style strategy game.  Where you control nations and dynasties.

I could see that, but not as an mmo or even an rpg.

Another series that I love and that people mention wanted to see as an MMO, Dune, wouldn't work well either I think. For similar reasons I think.

  Dovahkiin

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2/17/12 3:40:26 PM#50
Originally posted by Iselin

Game of Thrones MMO? No frigging way! Just when your character starts to get interesting it'd be killed off forever

So True!

And there would be no resurrecting to the nearest checkpoint either. You'd be done.

Unless you become a wight.

  mlauzon

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2/17/12 4:36:08 PM#51

Comaf,

You started out well, but you lost all credibility --- at least in my eyes -- when you called "X-Men: First Class" epic; that is also where I stopped reading!

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  Clob

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2/17/12 5:05:10 PM#52

While I've always liked the idea, the thought of an ASoIaF mmo, I have to agree with comments here that it would most likely be disappointing.  Maybe this coming HBO/Cyanide partnership game will satisfy a little hunger.  Maybe is a big word though.  The thing that really intrigues me thinking about a game in Westeros would be to explore an extremely well done world that's true to the novels.  I don't think I care if it's an mmo or rpg or even a game at all.  I'd have a blast just with the imagery while running around King's Landing, The Eyrie, Winterfell, and everywhere else.

  mlauzon

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2/17/12 5:14:42 PM#53


Originally posted by Clob
While I've always liked the idea, the thought of an ASoIaF mmo, I have to agree with comments here that it would most likely be disappointing.  Maybe this coming HBO/Cyanide partnership game will satisfy a little hunger.  Maybe is a big word though.  The thing that really intrigues me thinking about a game in Westeros would be to explore an extremely well done world that's true to the novels.  I don't think I care if it's an mmo or rpg or even a game at all.  I'd have a blast just with the imagery while running around King's Landing, The Eyrie, Winterfell, and everywhere else.


This I agree with, but I'd prefer all the novels get made into one game, be it either an Action MMORPG, or a single player action RPG; but make it easier to find quests, etc. unlike they do in The Elder Scrolls games...this is the main reason why I have never played TES in my life.

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2/18/12 1:55:42 AM#54

Browser games lack the Massive part of MMORPG im my humble opinion.

  Dibdabs

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2/18/12 2:53:05 AM#55

Browser games lack EVERYTHING.

  Garvon3

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2/18/12 2:55:36 AM#56
Originally posted by Crunchy221

Browser games lack the Massive part of MMORPG im my humble opinion.

So does WoW and SWTOR but that doesn't stop them.

  Pilnkplonk

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2/18/12 3:02:37 AM#57

Look, just because a setting is "grown up" doesn't mean the game will be grown up as well. And just because the books and the series are good doesn't really influence at all how the game is going to turn up.

Game movie adaptations are the butt joke of gaming industry because they usually turn out to be crap. And why is that? Many reasons, but I'd say it is the laziness of the developers who think that the strength of the IP is enough to guarantee sales so they don't pay enough attention to quiality design or originality.

So, in short... No. I don't think it would be a good idea. If a major dev did GoT mmorpg there's 99% chance it would be even crappier and more unimaginative than SW:TOR. To capture the theme of all those immoral lord and ladies npcs scheming against each other you'd need a radical rethinking  of mmo paradigm and no one is going to do that when IP of that caliber is at stake. Again, look at the crap that is SW:TOR.

Btw, look at "Mount & Blade" imo that is he closest to the atmosphere of GoT that I've ever seen in a pc game.

  waynejr2

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2/18/12 2:18:35 PM#58
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

I had such a deja vu feeling after reading this OP. I read simialr stuff before AOC was released... ' A MMO finally for grown ups'.

The sad thing is that it seemed like Funcom thought "grown up" meant "has boobies and blood."  Other than those two factors, AoC is pretty much just as infantile as any other MMORPG.

No complex and thought provoking gameplay, no morally ambiguous choices, no complex storylines.

Have we really got to the point where all it means to be "grown up" is that you can see an R rated movie?

But take a look at the community in the regards to swearing in games and  "being adult".  It's no surprise that boobs and blood are part of being "adult". 

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