Originally posted by Kimmyboy

Originally posted by nikoliath

someone please explain how a game can "drive you back" to another game? You guys could have a serious mental health issue, addiction or worse ( i'm not being derogatory either ). 

 

On the other hand, this could be another sensationilst, embellished post designed to provoke a response ;P

 I'll try to explain:

What surprised me in SW TOR were the forum reactions.

 

Everything WoW has these days is taking for granted.

 

People no longer accept:

 

- massive use of loading screens

- painted backgrounds you can't go to

- single server play without extreme LFG tools

- non adaptable UI

- non changing worlds after you do some important quests

- the way the AH functions etc.

Actually, plenty of people accent games without an AH, without phasing, and without the moronic anti social LFG tools of WoW.

Phasing, and cross server play RUIN the feel of virtual worlds, as does instancing. I had never met a person until today who actually thought the LFG tool was a good idea.

And I haven't seen an MMO use loading screens since 1999... are there some out there that do? LotRO and WoW are the only games I can think of with painted backgrounds. Maybe AoC.

Originally posted by Kimmyboy

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Kimmyboy

Originally posted by nikoliath

someone please explain how a game can "drive you back" to another game? You guys could have a serious mental health issue, addiction or worse ( i'm not being derogatory either ). 

 

On the other hand, this could be another sensationilst, embellished post designed to provoke a response ;P

 I'll try to explain:

What surprised me in SW TOR were the forum reactions.

 

Everything WoW has these days is taking for granted.

 

People no longer accept:

 

- massive use of loading screens

- painted backgrounds you can't go to

- single server play without extreme LFG tools

- non adaptable UI

- non changing worlds after you do some important quests

- the way the AH functions etc.

Actually, plenty of people accent games without an AH, without phasing, and without the moronic anti social LFG tools of WoW.

 

Phasing, and cross server play RUIN the feel of virtual worlds, as does instancing. I had never met a person until today who actually thought the LFG tool was a good idea.

 

And I haven't seen an MMO use loading screens since 1999... are there some out there that do? LotRO and WoW are the only games I can think of with painted backgrounds. Maybe AoC.

 

{mod edit}

No problem: this is not a thing of being right or wrong. It is about explaining things whypeople complained in SW's official forums. They are BEGGING for cross server LFG tools over there.

[mod edit]

 

Er.. yeah never had an issue with having real life friends on a different server. And if I did, it wasn't hard to transfer over. Pretty much all my real life friends if we play the same game, we're on the same server.

Was fixing such a small almost nonexistant problem worth shattering the already feeble and antisocial community WoW had going? No. But, WoW is pretty much a singleplayer game nowadays anyway.

Originally posted by Kimmyboy

Originally posted by Garvon3

 

Er.. yeah never had an issue with having real life friends on a different server. And if I did, it wasn't hard to transfer over. Pretty much all my real life friends if we play the same game, we're on the same server.

Was fixing such a small almost nonexistant problem worth shattering the already feeble and antisocial community WoW had going? No. But, WoW is pretty much a singleplayer game nowadays anyway.

Calling it a single player game in which you can group in Pve or PvP at 04.00 in the morning with a 5 seconds (PvP) to 5 minute waiting time (PVE) is ... odd.

 

 

Not when the vast majority of the content is designed to be done solo. And if I wanted a game where I could just drop into the middle of a firefight that had no consequence, I'd be playing an FPS. That's not what an MMO is. I said tis MOSTLY a singleplayer game, and pretty much that's what WoW's become. Any groups are short lived silent anti social affairs. You never see the people again after you group with them. The game world might as well not exist because its all instanced now and you just warp from point to point. It's so far removed from what an MMO is how anyone can argue otherwise baffles me.

Introducing anti social features like that LFG tool (and oh yes, its anti social) into a genre that is all about shared virtual worlds, is so backwards it shouldn't have to be explained.

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

It's funny you said that, I thought I was the only one.

In fact it was 7 months since I unsubscribed from WoW, it took me a month of Swotor to relight my cravings for a good Themepark MMO, so I subscribed again to WoW for a whole year (and got Diablo 3 for free as a bonus).

I strongly believe that developers still don't get it.

WoW is still the best Themepark around and it has 6 years content, which is a detail many seems to ignore.

I hope developers finally understand that people do not want WoW 2 but something different, since WoW is still good enough that players do not need a replacement yet.

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

Same here after swtor free month instead of resubing to swtor i went to wow and im enjoying it a lot.The n ew dx 11 option gives it an edge.

It's hard to disagree with the OP and I'm in the same boat. To me, it feels like a mutli-player game but doesn't have teh MMO feel to it. Something just seems missing or maybe just a little off. I don't know. I'm still playing off and on but I've also picked WoW back up.  I was telling a friend... the more I play other MMOs, the more I appreciate WoW.

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I strongly believe that developers still don't get it.

WoW is still the best Themepark around and it has 6 years content, which is a detail many seems to ignore.

I hope developers finally understand that people do not want WoW 2 but something different, since WoW is still good enough that players do not need a replacement yet.

No the real question is when are gamers going to get it, if you buy something you're saying you want it. Everyone knew TOR was going to be another WOW-like, yet they bought it anyway. Netting EA/Bioware almost 2 million sales, this doesn't say "we don't want this" at all.  Then the same people go back back to WOW? yep this says no one wants another WOW, so very much so..

Seems many never learned that it's not about what you say, it's what you do that matters.

I only really played WoW when WoTLK released. I mean, I did try it out Vanilla and BC, but the Lich King lore is what made me actually stomach the quest grinding to get to max level. So I'm in no way a WoW fan, nor do I ever plan on going back to that game. However, when playing SWTOR I also started fantasizing about playing WoW. Mainly because of WoW's open world, and I missed that feeling while playing SWTOR. I'm not going to play WoW, because I can't stand that game, but it did teach me that I don't like multiple instances of the same world (ie. Coruscant 1 & 2).

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I strongly believe that developers still don't get it.

WoW is still the best Themepark around and it has 6 years content, which is a detail many seems to ignore.

I hope developers finally understand that people do not want WoW 2 but something different, since WoW is still good enough that players do not need a replacement yet.

No the real question is when are gamers such as yourself going to get it, if you buy something you're saying you want it, everyone knew TOR was going to be another WOW-like, yet they bought it anyway. Netting EA/Bioware almost 2 million sales, this doesn't say "we don't want this" at all.  Then the same people go back back to WOW? yep this says no one wants another WOW, so very much so..

 

If you look at my posts back 1 year ago, you will understand that I am one of the few that actually knew Swtor was going to be a single player game with online features (against the thousands of Fanboys declaring Swtor the WoW killer).

I also said I would have bougth it and played it for a month as if it was Kotor 3.

So I did.

So I knew more than anyone what to expect from Swtor.

Having said that, nothing stopped Bioware to surprise me and actually making a real MMORPG............unfortunately that didn't happen, for the reasons I explained many times.

Which is a shame.

Another great IP wasted (after Star Trek)

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

Same here, subbed back to WoW (despite having nausea just by saying its name before trying swtor). Because after all, why playing a clone when you can play the original, but with better mechanics ?

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Distopia

No the real question is when are gamers such as yourself going to get it, if you buy something you're saying you want it, everyone knew TOR was going to be another WOW-like, yet they bought it anyway. Netting EA/Bioware almost 2 million sales, this doesn't say "we don't want this" at all.  Then the same people go back back to WOW? yep this says no one wants another WOW, so very much so..

 

If you look at my posts back 1 year ago, you will understand that I am one of the few that actually knew Swtor was going to be a single player game with online features (against the thousands of Fanboys declaring Swtor the WoW killer).

I also said I would have bougth it and played it for a month as if it was Kotor 3.

So I did.

So I knew more than anyone what to expect from Swtor.

 

Having said that, nothing stopped Bioware to surprise me and actually making a real MMORPG............unfortunately that didn't happen, for the reasons I explained many times.

Which is a shame.

Another great IP wasted (after Star Trek)

I basically bought it for the same reasons, (something other than the tagline of the game) I bought it for my guild (we hadn't been together since NGE in this capacity). That part was great, the story was decent so I don't feel ripped off. If you knew what you were getting, good on you, and you can be excused for the above if you understand regardless of your reasoning, you have contributed to another successful pay day for a WOW-like.

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

Sorry, I but I couldn't help but laugh out loud when reading that post!

So you subbed for a month... that wouldn't have been the initial 30 days that came 'free' with the purchase of the game?

'the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you'... right... I assume you haven't even tried any Heroics 2+/4 at the correct level i.e. not done (or tried to do) them some 4, 6, 10 level above the 'set for' level?

Of course you can manage a good chunk of the game all by yourself... (which would make it a singleplayer RPG) but a) some content you just can't do by yourself, b) some content that eventually you could do by yourself later can be done nice and convenient at the right level (or even early!) by teaming up (especially if you are missing a healer in your companion/character setup), and c) while it is a fight of yourself alone (plus 'pet'), getting jumped by an actual player of the other faction out somewhere in some Contested Territory, playing against a human enemy is a far different challenge than going up against an NPC mob, so definitely no singleplayer there!

'the linear path and instances' - I keep hearing that... and frankly I don't agree (especially in the context of 'to explore'!), because I LIKE TO EXPLORE which has brought me a good many times in SWTOR into areas where I 'shouldn't' be: areas swarming with unkillable mobs or other faction players (on quest worlds!), areas where there wasn't really anything for me to do but try to survive, only to go back to the same place again once I actually got a quest for that location.

I have entered locations where I was blasted to bits in secs only to complete a mission or two a bit later to gain friendship with those same 'enemies' and then be happily invited into that very same location.

So, what you call 'linear' is actually more of a simply progress: IF I hadn't become a famous hero of the Republic, I wouldn't have caught the eye of person X, who would consider me suited for doing such an important mission for the Republic as he has to offer; said mission completed I've gained the trust of NPC Y, who is now willing to trust me with a mission from his end which if successful will make his people my best friends, etc.

I mean I'm sorry if your preferred setup is to just go wherever you want and be given any quest you want, that is not the setup for a story-driven game! Which you should know if you ever played a story-driven game!

(Note: yes, I have been a bit on hair and teeth with games that are story-driven and where you just can't progress further because you can't complete a certain quest... but for most part in SWTOR I've found ways to get past that 'hole' by either finding something else to do (until I could go back to that still open quest) or getting help...

Anyhow, you enjoy WoW... all of us can find the niche that fits us perfectly... so, have fun there *shrug*

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

 

The irony being WoW is much more linear, instanced (i.e. phased) and single player focused, since 4.0 than SWTOR is.

 

 

Try actually levelling a character in WoW (these days).  You hardly see anyone due to phasing, even in the same zone, and you are given a hand full of quests at a time (usually with additional phasing occurring between them).  Get out of sync with anyone, and you can't see them.  Exploration is just as affected (i.e. you see next to nobody).

 

 

Also, yes I play WoW and like it.  However I think someone needs to remove his rose tinted glasses.

 

 

 

Saying that WoW is better than Swtor doesn't mean having a rose tintented pair of glasses, in fact it just confirm how bad the MMO industry had become.

I am aware that WoW is now super phased and what you said is true...........yet playing WoW ( 7 y/o ) feels much better than playing a brand new "MMO" like Swtor.

To me that's worrying.

And the fact that developers still insists in doing just that kind of game is just pathetic, after evidence that no themepark game after its first month has a subscription base that can reach the million mark (let alone the 11 million of WoW)

PS: I am not a WoW fanboy either since my favourite genre is Sandbox, but I am kinda forced to play WoW because there is no AAA Sandbox around and WoW is the best Themepark available at the moment.

doing a /backtoWoW is understandable; it happens once in a while *sighs*

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

 

The irony being WoW is much more linear, instanced (i.e. phased) and single player focused, since 4.0 than SWTOR is.

 

 

Try actually levelling a character in WoW (these days).  You hardly see anyone due to phasing, even in the same zone, and you are given a hand full of quests at a time (usually with additional phasing occurring between them).  Get out of sync with anyone, and you can't see them.  Exploration is just as affected (i.e. you see next to nobody).

 

 

Also, yes I play WoW and like it.  However I think someone needs to remove his rose tinted glasses.

 

 

 

Saying that WoW is better than Swtor doesn't mean having a rose tintented pair of glasses, in fact it just confirm how bad the MMO industry had become.

I am aware that WoW is now super phased and what you said is true...........yet playing WoW ( 7 y/o ) feels much better than playing a brand new "MMO" like Swtor.

To me that's worrying.

And the fact that developers still insists in doing just that kind of game is just pathetic, after evidence that no themepark game after its first month has a subscription base that can reach the million mark (let alone the 11 million of WoW)

 

PS: I am not a WoW fanboy either since my favourite genre is Sandbox, but I am kinda forced to play WoW because there is no AAA Sandbox around and WoW is the best Themepark available at the moment.

As i suspected, some of you have no grasp of the english language, it's uses or a comprehension of "sensationalism". I fully understand why he returned to WoW. I understand completely that different people enjoy different things.  What I don't get is how a game can "DRIVE" you to do something.

it's all about semantics. I really don't care what people choose to play, or not play, choice is great and enjoyment is subjective.

Originally posted by xion12121

        I really wanted to like SWOTR so much I subbed for a month to get high level to see how it is and to me the game feels more like a single player rpg with pets that follow you. I mean where is the multiplayer component, and the linear paths and instances takes away from the depth of it as an mmo. After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft. I just couldn't take it anymore and i have to say despite the next expansion unless something awesome comes out soon I will continue to sub to World of Warcraft!! The game is open to explore and feels more multiplayer than anything else out here. 

I'm with you I played SWTOR for a couple weeks and was stoked, but after the cinematics/cut-scenes and it did end up feeling like like I was playing alone on empty worlds. I had a cold/lifeless feeling: no immersion and I went back to wow. Call wow old/been there done it/ call it a lobby game if you want, but wow works and you get that epic feeling like you are ina a world WITH others, things feel alive and I get the immersive feeling that SWTOR lacks.

WOW can be a lobby game IF you want to play it that way, although you dont  have to play it that way. I am leveling by quests alone on a paladin I started, I will do no dungeons/battlegrounds to gain experience. I am taking my time to READ the quests & taking my time to craft materials to sell and to use. I have no interest in PVP also.

WOW gives you many different ways to play and thats the great thing. You can join guilds and group with people you know, you dont have to group w/ the dungeon finder. SWTOR's way of grouping is horrible.

At the end of the day I say to each his own: you should play the game you enjoy whatever it is.

On the bright side the honeymoon is over, all the wow players are going back to wow, and I am fine with that.   Most of them claim they hate wow, go looking for the next best thing then go back.   However I am fine with that if you don't like the game then move on instead of being a cry baby about it just move back.  the amount of qq about swtor is the reason I only visit this site once or twice a week.   I am firmly convinced that the folks who use this site now days hate all the games they play. 

Originally posted by xion12121

      After so many failed MMO's warhammer, aion, etc. and now SWOTR I subbed back to World of warcraft.

Now that's the uninformed WoW forums banter I have missed.   Makes me want to resub as well.