Originally posted by Votan

Originally posted by fenistil

Well this is for Origin to gather more users.

 

Besides I am sure BF3 bundled with ME3 is bare-bone version without any additional maps (like Karakand ,etc) so those who will get 'attached' to BF3 will 'have' to spend money anyway.

 

This.  Nothing is ever 'free" it aways a gimmick to make more money.   Just like pre-order gifts and "beta" access, or 12 months of WoW for Diablo 3.  The reason they do this is it works.

 

 

As to the SWTOR reviews and population at this point in the game:

Warhammer had similar reviews...they also have 1.2 million or so customers at launch "enjoying the game" around this same period of time. 

I wouldn't put anything on the OP's story at all.

On the other hand, I would defend Warhammer against SWTOR simply because they did have something to do at endgame, the problem being the server would crash when you tried to do it due to the numbers of people.

At least the game could cope with 100 or so players in a small area, something that SWTOR is totally incapable of at this time.

Originally posted by grndzro

Most of the people that are going to buy BF3 have already bought it. 

The fact that EA is bundling BF3 with ME3 points toward some really nice patches comming for BF3 soon. 

It's all geared toward making Origin a well user supported platform. And from all the work that has been done to Battlelog I think EA is starting to get its act together. Future BF3 patches will tell all.

Those "really nice patches" supposedly coming down the road for BF3 better be "The 2nd Coming Of The Lord" type of patches.  The more I play BF3, the more I'm convinced that the true Battlefield style of play is no longer around.  That uninstall button for BF3 and Origins has been looking very tempting for me for the last 2 weeks.

Getting tired of the flat, level maps.  Getting tired of there being no Commander anymore and people spamming powerful things that were once support abilities that only the Commander could do in certain times.  Getting tired of no teamwork and coordination altogether.  Even with random players in BF2 and BF2142, a good Commander can get the squads acting for coordinated purposes.  If he was a terrible Commander, he got votekicked off.  BF3?  The squads act with absolutely no coordination, unless they happen to be with close friends or a clan.  I also still am annoyed about the whole Commo Rose thing.

BF3 may allow infantry and vehicle-based fighting in the same game and maps, but the teamwork, the 3rd major pillar of BF games, is totally gone.

There is something BF3 is moving towards that should NOT be replicated from BF2, and that is totally invulnerable airpower.  Gunships and aircraft became completely invulnerable to any sort of ground-based air defenses, and patch after patch, DICE is moving BF3 in that direction.  They've nerfed the stationary ground-based air defense stations.  They've nerfed the effectiveness of Stingers and Strelas.  They've nerfed the effectiveness of ground fire against aircraft.  They're moving BF3 in a terrible direction.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Ok, so first off this isnt directly MMO related, but i personally believe that it has to do with the dismal failure that is SWTOR.

Apparently now if you pre-order Mass Effect 3, they will give you a free copy of Battlefield 3:

http://bf3blog.com/2012/02/preorder-mass-effect-3-get-battlefield-3-free/

It's a bit of a leap of logic to find any tie - even the most tenuous of one - between this offer and SWTOR.

The deal bolsters the new title's pre-release box sales, front loading the returns even more. It does so with a shooter that's 4 months in, which by EA math is about the point where money and resources are better spent working on the DLC or the next version than on advertising an 'old' title. Standard marketing.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Ok, so first off this isnt directly MMO related, but i personally believe that it has to do with the dismal failure that is SWTOR.

Apparently now if you pre-order Mass Effect 3, they will give you a free copy of Battlefield 3:

http://bf3blog.com/2012/02/preorder-mass-effect-3-get-battlefield-3-free/

 

The Mass Effect series is EA's primary cash cow.  This shows that they basically have no faith in it performing well since they're bundling the one actually properly made, quality game that has been released under EA in many years.

Id like to have some of what you are smoking. How the hell can they think even for a second Mass Effect 3 wont be a game of the year contender? All they have to do is deliver on continued greatness like we seen in ME and ME2 story line wise and they are already pleasing a lot of Mass Effect fans by adding multiplayer so that alone will probably convince lots of us to buy it.Considering multiplayer is something fans have wanted for forever it has to boost sales.

Besides hasn't Battlefield 3 been out a while now? You figure even if they gave BF3 away with pre-order's they are still going to make money off those free BF3 compies via download content and new maps people will eventually most likely buy.I hope the Gamestop pre-orders come with BF3 also as ive put off buying it while playing other games and have had ME3 pre-ordered since pre-orders became available.

ROFL, the only one 'desperate' is the OP.

How can you connect SWTOR to 'ME3 for BF3' promotion? It is just not logical.

By this logic, I guess Valve is desperate too since TF2 is F2P or when they gave away free copies of Portal1 if you get STEAM.

Originally posted by brody71

i want to say the Madden Series is one of if not the best selling video game franchise in history.  I dont think EA is hurting for money.  Also, companies that are hurting for money, dont just give things away. 

Yes you wil wan`t to sya that lol, but it would not be true my friend.

Originally posted by jpnz

ROFL, the only one 'desperate' is the OP.

How can you connect SWTOR to 'ME3 for BF3' promotion? It is just not logical.

By this logic, I guess Valve is desperate too since TF2 is F2P or when they gave away free copies of Portal1 if you get STEAM.

It kinds of sounds like one of Glenn Beck's chalkboard rants.  Some people could use anything as evidence that TOR is a failure.

Hmmm, quite odd that a business would create a promotion to make more money... wait a minute, what company in their right mind would do such a thing? This is definitely shady business.

Oh man Blizzard must be desperate. They gave away Diablo III to people who signed up to WoW for a year sub... 

It's an attempt to boost ME3 pre-orders. It also might put BF3 into the hands of someone that didn't want to pay for it, or CoD fans insterested in BF3 and were planning on getting ME3.

It's a win-win. Offer something for free to someone who wasn't going to buy the product in the first place, and possibly get more pre-orders. On the other side of things you might increase the amount of fans of BF3, which might mean more sales of their next BF3 expansions and maybe even their next Battlefield game.

It's not desperation. It's marketing.

Originally posted by brody71

i want to say the Madden Series is one of if not the best selling video game franchise in history.  I dont think EA is hurting for money.  Also, companies that are hurting for money, dont just give things away. 

No offense buddy but if Madden was really "that great" then why did EA sign an exclusive rights deal with the NFL? ESPN NFL Football was successful and taking a big chunk of Maddens profits considering ESPN Released with a 19.99 price tag against Madden's $49.99-$59.99 price tag per release. Add other great NFL games like Gameday and any other that also had success and you see where i am coming from. IF Madden was the clear front runner and had no issues to worry about why block any other company from making an NFL game. MLB The Show is a no doubt the best Baseball game going and they havent blocked others from using the MLB franchise.

Id say Sims is a bigger money maker then Madden considering Sims games have held or broke records at times. Also add all the expacs it has. All this means really is even if Mass Effect 3 flopped and only sold 10 copies EA would still be living way better then any of us.

They are giving a free BF3 as a promo for a ton of stuff atm, so I don't think it's tied to any one game.

Well with both the kingdoms of amalur reckoning demo and the soon to come ME3 demo lets you unlock items for both fullgames. And now they give a free BF3 game aswell only makes me as a gamer glad and aint seeing it as a desperate move. But then again we might have people not really gamers who might indeed see things like this as being desperate....dunno....

Specualtion here, but SWTOR and now this is for one thing, to drive up Origin. That was the main focus at last quartely, EA intends to go in a whole new direction in gaming, casual games, and they want their digitial download service to be on par with steam to max profits from that.

EA made some big moves in 2011 and SWTOR was to be a cash cow, the cow is sick and the vultures(short sellers) are are flying over EA's head cause they know EA is cash short.

Man, i'm loving the amount of kool-aid that's getting drunk here.  Time will tell my friends, time will tell...

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Mass Effect is amazing, will be amazing, has been amazing, the Demo is amazing, people love the demo, nothing but good things to say about the demo...  Where do you get off saying They're trying to sell Mass Effect 3 by using other "better" products? 

Far as i've seen, Battlefield 3 is nothing special.  I don't play it, I haven't seen many people talking about it, it isn't in the news, the websites, or anywhere.  It was just another release.  Another FPS clone. 

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How can any of you claim you know how EA is doing? From what I see they are doing extremely well with the release of BF3 and swtor.  M3 will just add to this.  Thats like saying blizzard is desperate for adding account wide mounts to WoW but they just want to add more money.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Ok, so first off this isnt directly MMO related, but i personally believe that it has to do with the dismal failure that is SWTOR.

Apparently now if you pre-order Mass Effect 3, they will give you a free copy of Battlefield 3:

http://bf3blog.com/2012/02/preorder-mass-effect-3-get-battlefield-3-free/

 

The Mass Effect series is EA's primary cash cow.  This shows that they basically have no faith in it performing well since they're bundling the one actually properly made, quality game that has been released under EA in many years.

lol yeah.... coz selling 2 games (that has nothing to do with SWTOR)  for the price of one will give EA a shi*t ton $$ and will not loose anything on it

Well, if they have a promotion like that I'll sure use it. Thanks for info, OP :) Btw, this does not mean that the company is doing bad. English is not my first language and I don't know economic terms in English, otherwise I'd explain supply and demand a bit :)