Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by Skuz

Originally posted by Master10K

Guess ArenaNet will need to prepare for all the refugees that will flock to Guild Wars 2.

It will have it's haters trying their damndest to bring it down just like every other game has had.

Many people had good reason to hate on swtor.BioWare tried to pull the wool over experianced MMO gamers eyes and succeeded and failed all at the same time.

The beta weekends let the cat out of the bag for anyone with any MMO gaming sence to see it.BioWare's upstart attitude didn't help them at all,so cock sure and "we know best" attutude will be their downfall.I am glad i wasn't one of the people who fell for it.

The bulk of GW2 haters will come from jaded swtor fans who can't get their head around why BioWare teh gods didn't think of the ideas that ArenaNet are bringing to the table.They drew peoples attention away with the fully voiced line,played many like real suckers.

Imagine if ArenaNet had $200 million to play with.

That would just mean more money wasted on cinematics and VO, rather than actual game features.

Amen man,, you hit it on the head, I leveled 2 X 50's and a level 26 tank and maxed out 3 crafts to 400. I quir rift for the very same reason but even rift drops were always fairly decent in HM's and their crafting is alot better from the start.

The nail in the coffin came when I sent in 6 tickets asking for my items to be replaced because after dumping 1 million credits into mats to reverse engineer certain items I was told not to bother because they are glitched, I asked for an explanation and all I got was a droid auto message, after 3 weeks and 6 messages later my last being "I will keep sending in tickets until you answer me" They told me that they were sorry they could not replace items because of the bug but would pass all information onto dev team.

I paid good money for the game on 2 accounts (one my sons) and I subbed after the 1st month with both of accs, the thing that gets me is WTF release the game when shizza is broken? I have done many mmo launches and have beta tested dozens of ftp games and AAA games. People say this game had a smooth launch, polony this game was 6 months premature and I'm afraid even when they release more content and fix ILLUM and add better stuff for crafting, It will be all too late

I was a fanboi and I did try really hard not to listen to the WOW mongers,But it doesnt matter what reviews say and what BIO do with their advertisments, the game is flawed majorly. expect server merges within the next few weeks

Shattered

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by musicmann

You guys need to do what i am doing. Just cancel your sub, go and buy a time card and wait until there is more story content to do so you can level your main character up. PVP/space/crafting are not the main part of the game, they are mini games. TOR is just not a mmo that can be logged in for hrs on end after you have reached the final act in your personal story.

This may be the truth but it doesn't negate the fact that TOR is an utter let down at least for me.  In a game with such a great background story of good vs evil and the chance for some truly epic and fun pvp we instead get huttball...and more huttball.

I hear you. I've played my share of Huttball and all other pvp in TOR. Pvp should be dynamic and instant. That's why i believe they should have used SWG pre-cu's overt/covert system and had every player on the same shard. I thought it would have been fun to have random bases spawn all over different planets for both factions to take or defend for a certain amount of time. Whichever faction held that base at the end were rewarded with small stat bonus and a lower vendor price for a certain amount of time. The faction with the lower numbers could have NPC's that spwan and even things out until actual players came in and then the NPC's despawned. You also would recieve pvp points for holding/defending and killings opposing faction members that could be spent on items that were not gear or stat releated such as, different speeders/at-st's/social gear/banners/holo's and such. Things that a player should be able to dispaly on their ship or whatever type of housing.

Originally posted by mbrodie

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by revy66

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by revy66

but they keep telling us they have one of the best and most experienced PvP development teams in the world.. i'm confused now :P

Experience at failing is still experience, right guys?  Now they know what not to do.  You know everything they did in WAR, then SWTOR and probably the next game they are hired to work on due to their experience.

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTaWNP2HJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oUT9_aczQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9V-FAOrfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ccAYJajoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9WHA_YGtg

6 servers, 6 instances of organized kill trading.

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

I could post 100 more.

No, mmorpg. isn't going to compile post you don't agree with into one forum for your convience.  you have just as many rights as I do around here which means my post are as important or unimportant as yours.

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

 I get a kick out of posts like this on the SWTOR forums, but here they don't fly.

Why do you insist on posting on the forums if you like a game, like playing it, and have nothing to lose? You see to me its more like this. These people paid money for something they didn't get the value from. Just like if you and the OP bought a new car, and his broke down a mile from the lot, I wouldn't expect you both to be at the dealer complaining and asking for some redemption. Nor should you have a need to tell the other guy to quit complaining about the car company.

I played a game that others mocked for years, never once did I need to mock them for not liking it. I liked it, that's all I cared about. They had a right to gripe about it not being a good game for them. They spent the money, it was their right. Since BW only seems to be impacted by hype and media, it's a good way to get even to a company they feel ripped them off.

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

This isnt haters creating this thread these are/were fanbois

I used to be like you till i took an arrow in the dome and woke up

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTaWNP2HJ0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oUT9_aczQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9V-FAOrfY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ccAYJajoA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9WHA_YGtg

 

6 servers, 6 instances of organized kill trading.

Is portnowhere one of those servers? So you found 6 servers out of...how many...yeh man must be rampant throughout every server......

When i get back home im gonna make a thread on why I enjoy the game, why i also dislike some parts of it and what I would like to see in the game. I wanna be speshal to

And as a final note if your lucky enough to be on one of the empty servers here is what you get for the epic Ilum PvP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mij9cjtdQsA

Originally posted by blondeh

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTaWNP2HJ0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oUT9_aczQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9V-FAOrfY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ccAYJajoA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9WHA_YGtg

 

6 servers, 6 instances of organized kill trading.

Is portnowhere one of those servers? So you found 6 servers out of...how many...yeh man must be rampant throughout every server......

When i get back home im gonna make a thread on why I enjoy the game, why i also dislike some parts of it and what I would like to see in the game. I wanna be speshal to

I understand you can't fathom someone finding your precious game a let down.  I understand the soup you swim in but really there is no need to insult me personally.  Maybe if you get so worked up over such post you should not read them in the first place?  Just an idea.  More power to you for finding Ilum a fun place for pvp.

I'm done responding to your post because I know your type all too well.  By all means insult away if you think it helps your case, or justifies your position.  I found those 6 videos in roughly 30 seconds, I could find many, many more if you really want.

I'm glad you found a server where Ilum is working.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

 I get a kick out of posts like this on the SWTOR forums, but here they don't fly.

Why do you insist on posting on the forums if you like a game, like playing it, and have nothing to lose? You see to me its more like this. These people paid money for something they didn't get the value from. Just like if you and the OP bought a new car, and his broke down a mile from the lot, I wouldn't expect you both to be at the dealer complaining and asking for some redemption. Nor should you have a need to tell the other guy to quit complaining about the car company.

 

I played a game that others mocked for years, never once did I need to mock them for not liking it. I liked it, that's all I cared about. They had a right to gripe about it not being a good game for them. They spent the money, it was their right. Since BW only seems to be impacted by hype and media, it's a good way to get even to a company they feel ripped them off.

 

I made a thread once about how i got ripped off by a company selling rift keys that got me perma banned twice for fraud. i got flamed to high heaven byt this so called community and mods deleted the thread although I said nothing to cause a riot. Just warned people fo buying anything from g2play or any affiliated websites..

I enjoy 70% of what SWTOR offers. I think people have a bad sense of whats value for money. I've wasted money on many games that ive had 5 mins of fun from. SWTOR in my eyes has enough for any gamer to enjoy for 3 months at least. If getitng to endgame and beating the game is all their coincerned about. I've been playing since early access. I'm not a battlemaster, I've not completed all the raids, I dont have full champion pvp set, i dont have all my trade skills maxed, theres still loads i gotta do. I must admit a big part of my enjoyment is playing with my great guild. I can see how people could not enjoy the game playing by themsevles..but that would stand true for any mmo.

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by blondeh

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTaWNP2HJ0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oUT9_aczQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9V-FAOrfY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ccAYJajoA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9WHA_YGtg

 

6 servers, 6 instances of organized kill trading.

Is portnowhere one of those servers? So you found 6 servers out of...how many...yeh man must be rampant throughout every server......

When i get back home im gonna make a thread on why I enjoy the game, why i also dislike some parts of it and what I would like to see in the game. I wanna be speshal to

I understand you can't fathom someone finding your precious game a let down.  I understand the soup you swim in but really there is no need to insult me personally.  Maybe if you get so worked up over such post you should not read them in the first place?  Just an idea.  More power to you for finding Ilum a fun place for pvp.

I can understand peoples pain when they got soo hyped up over a game that in their eyes didnt deliever what they wanted. Saying the game is a complete failure because you didnt find it fun is an over statement. I'm not insulting you personally. I said portnowhere has from what ive seen no kill trading. You then posted 6 video clips from 6 servers (none being portnowhere) to prove your point. I'm not getting worked up man just tired of the clone threads stating the same thing over and over. I guess I should stop defending the game tho peeps gonna think im on thier payroll. 

Come join my guild man, roll a imp toon and ill show you how to enjoy the game. Unless of course your burntout from this style of mmo, which there is only one answer. Take a break. Thats what i did, im a swg vet and got bored of wow fast and took a big break from mmos before i played SWTOR. Might be why im enjoying it so much im not mmo burnt out.

Originally posted by blondeh

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

 I get a kick out of posts like this on the SWTOR forums, but here they don't fly.

Why do you insist on posting on the forums if you like a game, like playing it, and have nothing to lose? You see to me its more like this. These people paid money for something they didn't get the value from. Just like if you and the OP bought a new car, and his broke down a mile from the lot, I wouldn't expect you both to be at the dealer complaining and asking for some redemption. Nor should you have a need to tell the other guy to quit complaining about the car company.

 

I played a game that others mocked for years, never once did I need to mock them for not liking it. I liked it, that's all I cared about. They had a right to gripe about it not being a good game for them. They spent the money, it was their right. Since BW only seems to be impacted by hype and media, it's a good way to get even to a company they feel ripped them off.

 

I made a thread once about how i got ripped off by a company selling rift keys. i got flamed to high heaven and thread deleted.

I enjoy 70% of what SWTOR offers. I think people have a bad sense of whats value for money. I've wasted money on many games that ive had 5 mins of fun from. SWTOR in my eyes has enough for any gamer to enjoy for 2 months at least. I've been playing since early access. I'm not a battlemaster, I've not completed all the raids, I dont have full champion pvp set, i dont have all my trade skills maxed, theres still loads i gotta do. I must admit a big part of my enjoyment is playing with my great guild. I can see how people could not enjoy the game playing by themsevles..but that would stand true for any mmo.

Originally posted by blondeh

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVzL3cyFHWU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTaWNP2HJ0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8oUT9_aczQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9V-FAOrfY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ccAYJajoA

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9WHA_YGtg

 

6 servers, 6 instances of organized kill trading.

Is portnowhere one of those servers? So you found 6 servers out of...how many...yeh man must be rampant throughout every server......

When i get back home im gonna make a thread on why I enjoy the game, why i also dislike some parts of it and what I would like to see in the game. I wanna be speshal to

It happened on my server too two days before I cancelled, I was watching them do it and my friend Josh and I in vent said, "This is disgusting".  Server was Warriors of Shadow. 

Originally posted by blondeh

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by blondeh

I've never witnessed kill trading on portnowhere just massive pvp battles. 

Ah well another farewell thread. Why do people think they are so important that we care about why THEY dont like a game. Can u (mmorpg.com) put all these good bye good riddance threads into one sub forum or something. They are clogging up the boards for people that play the game to chat....oh wait no one here plays SWTOR because their all too good for the game and cant wait for there next fix (GW2).

Yawn

 I get a kick out of posts like this on the SWTOR forums, but here they don't fly.

Why do you insist on posting on the forums if you like a game, like playing it, and have nothing to lose? You see to me its more like this. These people paid money for something they didn't get the value from. Just like if you and the OP bought a new car, and his broke down a mile from the lot, I wouldn't expect you both to be at the dealer complaining and asking for some redemption. Nor should you have a need to tell the other guy to quit complaining about the car company.

 

I played a game that others mocked for years, never once did I need to mock them for not liking it. I liked it, that's all I cared about. They had a right to gripe about it not being a good game for them. They spent the money, it was their right. Since BW only seems to be impacted by hype and media, it's a good way to get even to a company they feel ripped them off.

 

I made a thread once about how i got ripped off by a company selling rift keys that got me perma banned twice for fraud. i got flamed to high heaven byt this so called community and mods deleted the thread although I said nothing to cause a riot. Just warned people fo buying anything from g2play or any affiliated websites..

I enjoy 70% of what SWTOR offers. I think people have a bad sense of whats value for money. I've wasted money on many games that ive had 5 mins of fun from. SWTOR in my eyes has enough for any gamer to enjoy for 3 months at least. If getitng to endgame and beating the game is all their coincerned about. I've been playing since early access. I'm not a battlemaster, I've not completed all the raids, I dont have full champion pvp set, i dont have all my trade skills maxed, theres still loads i gotta do. I must admit a big part of my enjoyment is playing with my great guild. I can see how people could not enjoy the game playing by themsevles..but that would stand true for any mmo.

You're missing the point entirely. People that have gamed as long as we have in MMOs don't give a shit to complete all the raids, don't want to grind pvp sets, max trade skills etc. (because they weren't well done and don't matter).  Games need risk and reward and until they add risk back into MMOs this is what we get..boredom and unsubbing less than two months into a game's launch.

If that is fun for you, you would love working in a factory job.  The problem is we've been there done that and frankly as much as I hate to admit it, WoW does it better.  The real issue is that the game offers NOTHING new to the genre aside from companions that you can just buy off with gifts. I played with good friends i've had for 30 years..yes 30.  None of us liked the end-game, we're all in our 30s and all of us grew up on Star Wars. 

We were the true definition of fanbois....That's the problem...the game isn't good

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by musicmann

You guys need to do what i am doing. Just cancel your sub, go and buy a time card and wait until there is more story content to do so you can level your main character up. PVP/space/crafting are not the main part of the game, they are mini games. TOR is just not a mmo that can be logged in for hrs on end after you have reached the final act in your personal story.

This may be the truth but it doesn't negate the fact that TOR is an utter let down at least for me.  In a game with such a great background story of good vs evil and the chance for some truly epic and fun pvp we instead get huttball...and more huttball.

To each his own, but I will say you speak as if SWTOR is 'done', complete and will never receive updates, content and features. 

Bioware have said that PvP will be one of their focus points for the planned updates.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by revy66

How you can tell Mythic worked on this game:

1. Chokepoint

2. Spam AoE abilities while the battle goes on at the same spot for long periods of time

3. Fetching spells to get a few kills every now and then

I watch my friend do this every single day and with horrible performance to boot.

 

 

Yeah, just because Bioware and Mythic are in completely different companies of the same parent company doesn't mean that they wouldn't spend a lot of resources from one project to go to another...  Even though Bioware CLEARLY has their own design teams.

And of course there is no way any one else would come up with this PVP formula, clearly had to be a Mythic game designer.

Edit:  incase you didnt' catch my entire post is pointing out how silly and tin foil hatty you sound.

lol.   Mythic desingers DID work on this game, some as early as 2009.    By 2010 Mythic had been pretty much cannibilzed to work on this game or laid off in EAs third-restructuring.  (EA has lost $2.77 billion over the past four years.   They haven't show a profit since 03/31/2007.   Not even last quarter when they released SWTOR.)

This OP speaks the complete truth.

I actually feel really SAD for the people at BW that worked on this. They obviously put a lot of time into this but when you compare say this game to what GW2 has planned it's like comparing the feature set of a 2012 Mercedes to the first Model T Ford. They need to fire Gabe(the pvp designer) immediately and hire someone who knows something about PvP because this is indeed the worst of the worst.

I bought the collectors edition, I really wanted to like this game and I've been playing regularly since it came out but I honestly dont see how anyone could truely say they are having a great time post 50 in SWTOR. It's really turned into more contempt and thats the feeling I'm getting from more and more posters. Contempt from what could have been a really good game. It just boils down to really bad design decisions.  For example BW released a patch where  in the PvP world of Illum it allowed Empire players to CAMP the transport hub of Republic in the republic base for at least 1 full day, racking up thousands of points of Valor(pvp rank points) which gives better gear to even further imbalance the teams. See the vid  HERE Furthermore they said they are not rolling back the valor gains from that day!

There is such a sour taste in peoples mouth right now about this game that I dont think their reputation can be repaired. It would take a massive overhaul of many of the game mechanics. Dont even get me started on the horrible, horrible performance. I played with an evga gtx 590(a $700 video card) and it was still choppy in many areas.

I do my 2 PvP dailies and log off immediately but only because there isn't anyting else to play right now MMO wise. Once either The Secret World or Guild Wars 2 comes out I'm dumping this complete garbage of a game and it's likely that I'll do it before that since this game so horrid in so many ways POST 50.