Originally posted by SignusM

These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).

MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released :(

I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore

Oh memories. How I remember buying the latest EGM and storing them, once done reading, in their little plastic wrapper. I had several years worth of them stacked and I did go back and read many of them once again or used as reference.

After they stopped printing I stopped following them. Several of the crew that I liked left the team and it just wasn't the same anymore.

Originally posted by kazdum

Originally posted by SignusM

These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).

MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released :(

 

I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore

 

Well...that's because it was a mess. And so heavily instanced it barely resembles an MMO. Kind of the same as SWTOR.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Not even skyrim deserved a 9...

This.

Those ridiculosely inflated "grades" in reviews stopped me to read them.

I still rememeber in 90's ties in my country there was this most popular gaming magazine.

9 /10 maybe 2 games per year got ,and I don't think there EVER was 10 / 10 at least in those years I actually bought and was reading this magazine.

No idea how it is atm ,but propably changed to giving 8-9 /10 to every non-indie game out there :/

Disgusting.

This is one of many examples of the progression of add dollars and the impact upon review sites.

Games are starting to become just like EVERY major Hollywood movie when its comes to "Professional" (and I use that term very loosely) Reviews.

"BlahBlah Gives it 4 out of 5 Stars. Its the Breakout Hit of the Summer"

"Herpaderp Says- Best of the Year! 9/10!!"

They are nothing more than Paid Advertisements in the guise of Reviews.

The average person will read those reviews and say to themselves "Well if Herpaderp says its good....."

CHA-CHING! $$$$

Originally posted by Vesavius

Lets be honest...most review them from 4 hours of play, a press release, and a phone call from the secret marketing department.

Well, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I must admit its kind of hard to do when most of these sites or mags give these ludicrous reviews.

I mean maybe in the short run it is effective, but does it really benefit anyone in the long term? Like some aren't going to be pissed when they rely on a reviewer or group of them and take their word that a game they're toting is that near perfection in every facet. Its ridiculous and I would imagine many of them that are disappointed end up judging things way more harshly than they would have if they were given a more realistic and objective review of the product.

In no means am I just referring to this game either. These places tended to do the same thing with some other mmos like AoC and Warhammer. Just blows the mind.

I mean we certainly are well versed in how this goes but it is a shame how this is used to essentially bamboozle those that haven't been around as long or may not have the time to evaluate things to the fullest on their own.

...and then people wonder why some end up having such a negative view of the game or the industry as a whole from the companies to the sites that review and provide information on them.

I think my favorite are the ones that give something game of the year before it even comes out yet or has been out for a couple weeks. I mean what the fuck...

Originally posted by matraque

There ya go... the infamous EGM gives an excellent mark to SWTOR.

 

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Not a chance.  This game is a 7.5 at best, and someone is getting paid for giving marks as high as that.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by AdamTM

Not even skyrim deserved a 9...

This.

 

Those ridiculosely inflated "grades" in reviews stopped me to read them.

 

I still rememeber in 90's ties in my country there was this most popular gaming magazine.

9 /10 maybe 2 games per year got ,and I don't think there EVER was 10 / 10 at least in those years I actually bought and was reading this magazine.

 

No idea how it is atm ,but propably changed to giving 8-9 /10 to every non-indie game out there :/

 

 

Disgusting.

I've been gaming more years than I can remember, and there has 'never' been a 10/10.

Originally posted by kazdum

Originally posted by SignusM

These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).

MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released :(

 

I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore

 

 I remember, on release, STO should have gotten around a 4.0 or so.

Stopped reading early on.  At the point the reviewer says

Each class has a doppelganger on the other side of the fence, The coordinating classes are as follows: Jedi Knight/Sith Warrior, Jedi Conular/Sith Inquisitor, Smuggler/Bounty Hunter, and Trooper/Imperial Agent.

Figured they did not know what they were reviewing at this point...

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by AdamTM

Not even skyrim deserved a 9...

This.

 

Those ridiculosely inflated "grades" in reviews stopped me to read them.

 

I still rememeber in 90's ties in my country there was this most popular gaming magazine.

9 /10 maybe 2 games per year got ,and I don't think there EVER was 10 / 10 at least in those years I actually bought and was reading this magazine.

 

No idea how it is atm ,but propably changed to giving 8-9 /10 to every non-indie game out there :/

 

 

Disgusting.

Mediocrity is the bar by which games have come to be measured these days. Graphics and cinematics take a front seat to gameplay, and content.

Prices go up as polygon count rises, yet games get shorter and start to look an awful lot like their predecessors, and yet game companies blame used game sellers when their lackluster games get traded in because they dont last, or are so overpriced people look for every discount they can get.

In the (good) old days of gaming, "it plays like a movie" was considered a bad thing. Now its used as a selling point. With so many people claiming the crap they put out as being "epic", its no wonder the word "epic" has lost its meaning. When "phenomenal" no longer exists, "above average" becomes the new "phenomenal", and average is a welcomed sight.

It's hard to say what happened to magazines sources like EGM, Gamepro, PC Gamer. These magazines used to be all we really had to stay up on what was up and comming. They were very respectable news sources in their time. I'm not on the inside so I don't know what type of glasses they were wearing back in the 90's and early 2000's. I just remember hovering over the mailbox wondering when my next Gamepro was gonna come in the mail.

In all likelyhood many of those staffers are probably gone from the past. With the mainstreaming of MMO's and gaming in general it wss inevitable that we would reach a point where reviews would become more and more squewed because of the enourmous amounts of money that can be made in gaming now.

Although they will still remain a great source for info, epecially if it's console games (Gamepro is more for console gamers than PC players IMO). Independent sites such as MMORPG.com, Massively and GBTV will more than likely become the main source for true info on the gaming scene. While trying to avoid most of the marketing hooplah that exist in todays gaming.

Originally posted by Opapanax

It's hard to say what happened to magazines sources like EGM, Gamepro, PC Gamer. These magazines used to be all we really had to stay up on what was up and comming. They were very respectable news sources in their time. I'm not on the inside so I don't know what type of glasses they were wearing back in the 90's and early 2000's. I just remember hovering over the mailbox wondering when my next Gamepro was gonna come in the mail.

In all likelyhood many of those staffers are probably gone from the past. With the mainstreaming of MMO's and gaming in general it wss inevitable that we would reach a point where reviews would become more and more squewed because of the enourmous amounts of money that can be made in gaming now.

Although they will still remain a great source for info, epecially if it's console games (Gamepro is more for console gamers than PC players IMO). Independent sites such as MMORPG.com, Massively and GBTV will more than likely become the main source for true info on the gaming scene. While trying to avoid most of the marketing hooplah that exist in todays gaming.

I remember getting GamePro as a kid and they had no problem giving a game 1 out of 5. At least I think so anyways... crap was called crap! I have no idea what happened...

Originally posted by Dracill
Why is so hard to you respect other people opinion?

Out of curiosity I searched the top 5 higher reviews in metacritic... I didn't like one Dingle of those games. Still I can respect there are players around that like those games.

I'm not going to say most players like SWTOR but definitely there are players that like that game. If some of the reviewers are those kind of players it doesn't make them dishonest.

Maybe it is just me but I expect a person that does reviews for a living to assess a game on more facets than whether or not they simply like it. Far as I'm concerned that should only play a part in their overall score and assessment.

If it simply boiled down to how much they like the game then why would they need a score anyways? The whole point of that was supposed to be giving separate grades for several factors that develop their overall final score.

You also seem to be under the false impression those in disagreement with the score do not like this game. Which simply is not the case for everyone here. Quite a few here actually.

Just a nother example that you cant trust reviews, their value means nothing and are more and more used just for marketing to sell the games. Even worse if the companies are cooperations with the pressure from stock market.

Rating:

9 out of 10 ? 

...no comment.

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by Opapanax

It's hard to say what happened to magazines sources like EGM, Gamepro, PC Gamer. These magazines used to be all we really had to stay up on what was up and comming. They were very respectable news sources in their time. I'm not on the inside so I don't know what type of glasses they were wearing back in the 90's and early 2000's. I just remember hovering over the mailbox wondering when my next Gamepro was gonna come in the mail.

In all likelyhood many of those staffers are probably gone from the past. With the mainstreaming of MMO's and gaming in general it wss inevitable that we would reach a point where reviews would become more and more squewed because of the enourmous amounts of money that can be made in gaming now.

Although they will still remain a great source for info, epecially if it's console games (Gamepro is more for console gamers than PC players IMO). Independent sites such as MMORPG.com, Massively and GBTV will more than likely become the main source for true info on the gaming scene. While trying to avoid most of the marketing hooplah that exist in todays gaming.

I remember getting GamePro as a kid and they had no problem giving a game 1 out of 5. At least I think so anyways... crap was called crap! I have no idea what happened...

Money and backdoor deals is what happened. Nobody should trust ANY of these high-profile reviews, including the ones you read here. It's sad really, we the players get trashed for a few shekels and some greased palms.