Originally posted by Master10K

I know I may get some flak for posting this, but if you want to play an MMORPG for it's PvP then I suggest you wait for Guild Wars 2. They seem to be the only devs that get it. Also it actually has some e-sport potential. SW:TOR's PvP is just riddled with issues at the moment, like being unplayable for some high-spec PCs.

 You know what's going to kill all the GW2 hype?  The launch of GW2.

That said, SWTOR has good PVP.  Announcers calling play-by-play in Warzones is a huge step up from most MMOs.  The game also has some issues with PVP.  Ilum basically needs reworked from square one.

Well, its like wow but:

- 90% of all time the same bg

- fps of 10-15 unless you got an high high end pc

- you can vote the mvp after the match, thats quite nice

If you like PVP, stay away from this game.

Open world PVP is dead

3 warzones

Illium is a joke

This is a PVE game with the worst PVP ever made in the last 7 years, hell even WAR's pvp was better.

PVP in this game is like WoW before Arenas. Its aweful. Its buggy, laggy, not very responsive, no collission and there is overall less to do in PVP.

The same can be said about most features of this game. For the money they spent making this game...it SEEMS like most went to just voice acting and they skimped on everything else.

Originally posted by toodlepip123

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Wait for Guild Wars 2.  TOR is hemorrhaging players, despite what the panicked acolytes are saying in damage control mode.

In GW2 you'll have server vs. server vs. server world PvP and structured PvP. And because ArenaNet's making it, you aren't getting a game that's made purely for the cash-grab from nerds.

 

Youve never played an arenanet game have you. They are good with PvE, but terrible when it comes down to pvp. And no cash grab? You do realise that it is going to be mainly RMT based right? Just like the original was.

The RMT in the original was completely optional, just like it will be in GW2. There is no item in the Anet's cash shop that offers an unfair advantage. Unless you consider more bank space, extra character slots and costumes as unfair. I've played GW1 for over 5 years and I've spent about $20 to buy a few costumes. Yea, real cash grabbing RMT.

Actually, I find this irrational hatered of optional RMT funny. Especially when you realize that every single AAA MMO that charges a subscription fee also has the same type of cash shop that GW has. Hell, AoC and WAR even sell items with stats in their cash shops. I think SWTOR is the only MMO that doesn't currently have a cash shop of some sort. Knowing EA though, it's only a matter of time.

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Wait for Guild Wars 2.  TOR is hemorrhaging players, despite what the panicked acolytes are saying in damage control mode.

In GW2 you'll have server vs. server vs. server world PvP and structured PvP. And because ArenaNet's making it, you aren't getting a game that's made purely for the cash-grab from nerds.

 

If only I had a penny for everytime I heard : wait for the next (Vanguard , AoC , WAR , swtor , GW2, Rift ) that is gonna be better than the one you are currently playing . I am convinced that there is whole subculture of idiots that will go through life waiting for the next best thing to come out.

PS you can wait to play GW2 but last time I checked it will be also available for consoles . I might be wrong but if its true , these forums will be uber fun when it comes out . Expect nerdrage extraordinaire.

To answer the OP's question . SWTOR is a PVE game and as far as PVE games go the pvp is very well made . The battlegrounds are fun and , especially Huttball , extremely well designed . Huttball is a cross between american football and speedball 2.

The gear you get by doing pvp is a bit op at this time because its better than most pve gear and easier to get . Classes are pretty much unbalanced for pvp , gunslingers suck at it while inquisitors with their various stuns are op. I play in an RP world so the open world pvp is usually non existand and is a few people hunting one another through the various bases. I have seen a few epic battles lately when a couple of guilds decide to go at it , but not often.

If you are looking to play a theme park game the pvp  isnt bad. If you want to play a true PVP game I would recommend you try EVE or Darkfall , both excellent pvp games.

Suggestion: Read the boards at SWTOR. Some people love it, some people hate it. But there are some big problems on Illum I hear. Maybe warzones are better... or wait for Dominus!

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by brody71

it's basically just like wow's pvp. only less fluid and more buggy.

 

Arent all MMOs that? From what Ive heard it sounds more like Warhammer Online, with ranks and commendations.

there are ranks and commendations, it works pretty much  like the honor/valor system in wow.  do warzones(bg's) to get commendations and spend them on gear. you get an xp type bar that fills up over time allowing you to buy better gear sets. 

 

Why is it less fluid and more buggy than wow, in your opinion?

The skill responses are just cludgy and stuttery and non-responsive.  Its a well documented problem that they have had real trouble fixing.  There are also some strange bugs like the imbalance greater than 8 people on one side warzones.

Otherwise yeah its mostly the same as other WoW-style game's PvP (WoW, WAR, RIFT, etc.).  The bugs and less features should be expected since WoW is just plain more mature.  Balance wise.  These  class based rock, paper, scissors games are never balanced and never can be since the founding premise does not lend itself to such a thing.  You have to balance based on skill function and availability not class.  Some people think those things are the same thing, they are wrong.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by brody71

it's basically just like wow's pvp. only less fluid and more buggy.

 

Arent all MMOs that? From what Ive heard it sounds more like Warhammer Online, with ranks and commendations.

there are ranks and commendations, it works pretty much  like the honor/valor system in wow.  do warzones(bg's) to get commendations and spend them on gear. you get an xp type bar that fills up over time allowing you to buy better gear sets. 

 

Why is it less fluid and more buggy than wow, in your opinion?

The skill responses are just cludgy and stuttery and non-responsive.  Its a well documented problem that they have had real trouble fixing.  There are also some strange bugs like the imbalance greater than 8 people on one side warzones.

Otherwise yeah its mostly the same as other WoW-style game's PvP (WoW, WAR, RIFT, etc.).  The bugs and less features should be expected since WoW is just plain more mature.  Balance wise.  These  class based rock, paper, scissors games are never balanced and never can be since the founding premise does not lend itself to such a thing.  You have to balance based on skill function and availability not class.  Some people think those things are the same thing, they are wrong.

 

They have fixed over 6 types of "ability delay"  I personally don't experience it at all on any of my abilities now.

Also, the "bug" for faction imbalance is an exploit, its rather well known, and they're working on it, and punishing people who abuse it.

 I don't see this being rock paper sissory at all tbh...

Are we playing the same game?

No

I bought the game. I find PvP quite fun. However I have some cons.

-Engine is uber shitty. Runs like garbage on my machine.

-Hidden grind in conversations. I played for 24 hours and are level 19. Of course, theres only 50 levels. My biggest problem, is it feels like, when you hit 50, you either unsub or complete the game with a new class?

This is an interesting video about lvl 50 group pvp in swotor in one of the 3 battlegounds. The player is an operative and he comments really good about some flaws about his class, neverless it shows what you can expect playing this game and how group pvp looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpsnRu1azo

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
... And yeah I know that you have to do the main game in PvE mainly first, which is fine by me. I loved Warhammer Online PvP, and Im bored to death with WoW's PvP. Is it worth playing SW:TOR for the PvP part of the game?

Psst! Mike. Mike!

Over here. Shh... quietly now... http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

I was never here, got it? Shh...

Absolutely not worth it. Unless you reall like lightsabers that badly. In which case,.... still probably not.

However, there's also the issue that there really aren't that many other options available atm for MMOs, so you'd either have to wait, play F2P games, or take a break from MMOs all together for a while.

Originally posted by spizz

This is an interesting video about lvl 50 group pvp in swotor in one of the 3 battlegounds. The player is an operative and he comments really good about some flaws about his class, neverless it shows what you can expect playing this game and how group pvp looks like.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpsnRu1azo

  Love how he is complaining about damage he does when he can still  take down a heavy armored well geared trooper in a couple seconds.  He does actually have some CCs and interupts he showed himself using them. I'm on that same server and have run into him a few times, he knows what he's doing but he is making complaints that I find not warranted.

Originally posted by AcmeGamer

Originally posted by spizz

This is an interesting video about lvl 50 group pvp in swotor in one of the 3 battlegounds. The player is an operative and he comments really good about some flaws about his class, neverless it shows what you can expect playing this game and how group pvp looks like.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpsnRu1azo

 

  Love how he is complaining about damage he does when he can still  take down a heavy armored well geared trooper in a couple seconds.  He does actually have some CCs and interupts he showed himself using them. I'm on that same server and have run into him a few times, he knows what he's doing but he is making complaints that I find not warranted.

If you're talking about the Commando he was going after you have to bear in mind that Commando/Merc don 't have the tank stance which makes Heavy armour have proper heavy armour values, without that stance it's really not much better than medium. Vanguards and Juggernauts for example get 60% more armour from the heavy type than they do. Not that it matters much considering the big hitters from an Operative aren't mitigated by it anyway

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by AcmeGamer

Originally posted by spizz

This is an interesting video about lvl 50 group pvp in swotor in one of the 3 battlegounds. The player is an operative and he comments really good about some flaws about his class, neverless it shows what you can expect playing this game and how group pvp looks like.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpsnRu1azo

 

  Love how he is complaining about damage he does when he can still  take down a heavy armored well geared trooper in a couple seconds.  He does actually have some CCs and interupts he showed himself using them. I'm on that same server and have run into him a few times, he knows what he's doing but he is making complaints that I find not warranted.

If you're talking about the Commando he was going after you have to bear in mind that Commando/Merc don 't have the tank stance which makes Heavy armour have proper heavy armour values, without that stance it's really not much better than medium. Vanguards and Juggernauts for example get 60% more armour from the heavy type than they do. Not that it matters much considering the big hitters from an Operative aren't mitigated by it anyway

   Right, I know it isnt as good as a true tank spec like the vanguards and jug that you mention. I'm just pointing out that it is heavier armor. Also that he repeatly had no issues taking that commando out anytime he wanted. Even though the commando knocked him away. Basically he apparently wants his operative to be as OP as older style rogues in WoW once were with stun lock and burst dps.  I know I've found operatives and sith inquisitors to be a total nightmare to deal with, with my trooper commando.

Originally posted by toodlepip123

People have their own opinions about TOR pvp. It's pretty decent, but theres no reason to do it right now. If you want to seriously try out TOR PvP, it would make more sense to wait for the 1.2 patch next month, when they add rated warzones and new ones.

 

The people who say not to try it are the same ones that complain about TOR in general, mainly because it'snothing like wow's broken system.

You're right. SWTOR has it's very own broken system. I've done SWTOR PvP and all it boils down to is a cooldown/playing the UI-fest. It's actually worse than WoW, imo.  SWTOR is more WoW than WoW.

Originally posted by AcmeGamer

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by AcmeGamer

Originally posted by spizz

This is an interesting video about lvl 50 group pvp in swotor in one of the 3 battlegounds. The player is an operative and he comments really good about some flaws about his class, neverless it shows what you can expect playing this game and how group pvp looks like.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpsnRu1azo

 

  Love how he is complaining about damage he does when he can still  take down a heavy armored well geared trooper in a couple seconds.  He does actually have some CCs and interupts he showed himself using them. I'm on that same server and have run into him a few times, he knows what he's doing but he is making complaints that I find not warranted.

If you're talking about the Commando he was going after you have to bear in mind that Commando/Merc don 't have the tank stance which makes Heavy armour have proper heavy armour values, without that stance it's really not much better than medium. Vanguards and Juggernauts for example get 60% more armour from the heavy type than they do. Not that it matters much considering the big hitters from an Operative aren't mitigated by it anyway

   Right, I know it isnt as good as a true tank spec like the vanguards and jug that you mention. I'm just pointing out that it is heavier armor. Also that he repeatly had no issues taking that commando out anytime he wanted. Even though the commando knocked him away. Basically he apparently wants his operative to be as OP as older style rogues in WoW once were with stun lock and burst dps.  I know I've found operatives and sith inquisitors to be a total nightmare to deal with, with my trooper commando.

I do agree and the fact that heavy armour doesn't mitigate the most commonly used abilities is a pet peeve as apart from a Sorc that i shelved the second it 50 all my other toons that i enjoy playing are heavy armour wearers. That's not really an operative issue though but just a lack of foresight from Bioware.

I find Operatives and Smugglers a pain when i'm on my Commando too but sorcs not so much. Most of them don't use their interrupt more than once but for the ones that do charged bolts will be your saviour. Most commando/Merc's remove that skill from their bar when they get grav round or tracer missile and they shouldnt, especially against a sorc who has the least mitigation to white damage. Grav round gets interrupted and everything else is on cooldown? No problem, just spam them with that for nearly the same damage. You can often fool them into interrupting it instead of grav round too leaving you free to build your stacks and debuffs with it ;)