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  heartless

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2/14/12 5:42:09 PM#61

Personally, I won't mind if Anet uses the same approach to MTs in GW2 as in GW1. It was completely fair, did not offer any advantages and was mostly cosmetic and bank expand items. The skills and pet packs were only useful in PvP and all of those skills and pets could be acquired just by playing the game.

Besides the campaigns and the EotN expansion, I think that I spent around $20 in 5+ years of playing GW on and off. Compared to subscription costs in games like WoW, $20 is not bad at all.

  Distopia

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2/14/12 6:06:35 PM#62

Originally posted by Leucent


 

I completely understand, and shockingly I feel the same way, but I ignore it and could care less if people do it. It doesn t effect me in any way shape or form, I can do everything anyone who buys this shit, and didn t pay anymore. I know what you re saying, I really do, but it won t effect the games future, and won t effect it in the now either.



 


It can effect you though, when they stop putting stuff in the game and only sell it in a cash shop. I think that's what Vesavius is eluding to here. If they take away the option to have a unique look by playing and earning it from game-play, that effects everyone.


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  Leucent

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2/14/12 6:12:57 PM#63
Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Leucent


 

I completely understand, and shockingly I feel the same way, but I ignore it and could care less if people do it. It doesn t effect me in any way shape or form, I can do everything anyone who buys this shit, and didn t pay anymore. I know what you re saying, I really do, but it won t effect the games future, and won t effect it in the now either.



 

It can effect you though, when they stop putting stuff in the game and only sell it in a cash shop. I think that's what Vesavius is eluding to here. If they take away the option to have a unique look by playing and earning it from game-play, that effects everyone.

"when they stop putting stuff in the game and only sell it in a cash shop." I would say if not when. but I still feel costumes for sale in a shop, and not available in game for looks, does not effect me in the least. If they stop adding stuff to the game and only sell it in a store I ll agree, but that will never happen. Anet isn t that stupid. What I m saying is people are taking the items only in a store way too seriously, when it s just some usually stupid outfit, no one really wants. It won t effect me in the least.

  nobottters

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2/14/12 8:25:18 PM#64

Microtransactions means nothing more than F2P, and in this case is will be complete rapage after you buy the $40 software. F2P games bring in 10 times the money subscription games do.. They fool so many with F2P, shows you where our education system is.


As a person who has seen the corruption from companies inside in how they mold their work, its disgusting to even think this stuff is considered to be available...


Its not supplemental income, its pure sugar on the icing, and you people have to quit thinking these companies are not making bucketloads of cash for the lazy work they are providing...


Trust me if you knew how relaxed and spoiled these developers are, and how little they truly worked each day.. you would never even buy the software title, you would expect it delivered overnite to your door


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Nobotters - A better gaming experience

  rojo6934

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2/14/12 9:10:29 PM#65

i will take microtransactions over subscription anytime, as long as the micros dont sell pay to win stuff. With micros i buy them whenever i want, use them whenever i want, and play the game whenever i want without feeling that my money is being wasted. On the other hand, with subscription fees i feel that im forced to have to play every single day of the month for many hours to get my money's worth..... I dont give my money away to people (game developers) that have a better living than myself, so if i buy 1 / 3 / 6 months of gametime and for any reason i only played couple weeks then im giving my money away to them, Which i wont.


I think people should take the " $15 monthly = best mmo ever " idea off their heads. That idea was valid years ago when WoW didnt have competition from p2p and f2p games. B2P is here to stay and most likely to put an end to subscripions.


Just my opinion to the topic.


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  Dawnstar

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2/14/12 9:35:13 PM#66

Not really worried about this.  Arenanet seems to pay attention to what players are looking for.


  Nanfoodle

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2/14/12 10:54:45 PM#67
I would be happy with a fair monthly sub. 4-6 bucks a month. If you take everything gw1 made it works out to about 3 bucks a month over 7 years. Or make it MT just like gw1 and have no items or game breaking items. Stick to cosmetic and new content.
  RelGn

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2/14/12 11:39:13 PM#68

micro transactions for mission packs is the worst scenario i have ever heard of.




They should release expansions that will be required in order to continue to play the game.




Imagine some people have bought and the 80% didn't.The 20 % will feel their money gone crap.




Because believe it or not people will not spent money for missions.Content should be allowed to anyone.


Cosmetics on the other side looks good.





 

  Vesavius

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2/15/12 3:58:34 AM#69

Originally posted by reignjuste

Because believe it or not people will not spent money for missions.Content should be allowed to anyone.

 


Cosmetics on the other side looks good.



 


Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).


Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.


I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.


 


  Dodedrommer

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2/15/12 6:37:05 AM#70

Originally posted by fenistil

 


 (have not played GW1 besides imo that was not mmo).




no GW1 was not an MMORPG by your opinion and Arenanets it was in fact a









 

CORPG



 

  ZeGerman

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2/15/12 8:09:50 AM#71

Im not a big fan of DLC because i feel that its too hard to see what your money is getting you before you spend it but that is generaly more an issue of it being done poorly than a flaw in the concept.


While i would have perfered a cosmettic item mall, i recognize outside  of LoL those have not made nearly enough money.  I think there is too much stink among elitist gamers about micro transactions. 


The general problem with micro transactions is most of the current MMO's require little to no mechanical skill and even less inteligent thought to play. Sure maybe at max level you can't be a moron to run the hardest instances but were not talking fps/Moba level of practice and skill.  As a result the only thing that determines your level of play is how many hours you have put into the game.  The more hours the better, and alot of people who put in that 200 hours to get a gear set feel cheated when someone puts in 20 hours and 200 dollars to get that gear set.


In a games that requires more skill and less time I don't think that micro transactions will be as much of an issue since even if they have the same gear as you from less time they wont have your experience or skill playing the game.


  woodard2040

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2/15/12 9:35:44 AM#72
Basically, ArenaNet is the ONLY company I have seen do MT right. That's a very opinionated statement, I know, but I'm playing STO right now and their MT are horrible.
  Cursedsei

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2/15/12 1:03:32 PM#73
Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by reignjuste

Because believe it or not people will not spent money for missions.Content should be allowed to anyone.

 


Cosmetics on the other side looks good.


 


Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).


Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.


I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.


 

 

You aren't a gamer, you're just another person with an OPINION, hopefully you know what that means and understand it, because I even went through the trouble of capitalizing the whole word, as well as bolding and underlining it.

  Vesavius

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2/15/12 4:45:58 PM#74
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Vesavius
 

Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).

Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.

I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.

 You aren't a gamer, you're just another person with an OPINION, hopefully you know what that means and understand it, because I even went through the trouble of capitalizing the whole word, as well as bolding and underlining it.

 

None of which makes your point any more true.

Yes, I am just another opinion in amongst many, where did I say I didn't consider myself that.

My opinion is that, in this instance, that you have chosen to comment personally on me because you have no point to make about the contents of my opinion that proves it's anything else but right. 

I suspect you have also chosen to attack me because you prefer buy your game rewards in cash shops rather then playing for for them and my suggesting that makes you less of a gamer struck a raw nerve.

 

  dotdotdash

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2/15/12 5:00:42 PM#75
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Vesavius
 

Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).

Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.

I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.

 You aren't a gamer, you're just another person with an OPINION, hopefully you know what that means and understand it, because I even went through the trouble of capitalizing the whole word, as well as bolding and underlining it.

 

None of which makes your point any more true.

Yes, I am just another opinion in amongst many, where did I say I didn't consider myself that.

My opinion is that, in this instance, that you have chosen to comment personally on me because you have no point to make about the contents of my opinion that proves it's anything else but right. 

I suspect you have also chosen to attack me because you prefer buy your game rewards in cash shops rather then playing for for them and my suggesting that makes you less of a gamer struck a raw nerve.

 

You may well have struck a nerve but that doesn't make your observation any more valid. Just because he choses to, or would like to, pay for certain aspects of the games he choses to play does not make him any less or more of a "gamer" than a person who choses to grind endlessly for the same benefits.

In fact a willingness to spend more money on his games, regardless of what he's chosing to pay for, would suggest that he's more of a gamer than you. A willingness to part company with more cash and time is a far more real commitment than a willingness to part company with purely time.

  Xasapis

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2/15/12 5:04:08 PM#76

This is funny. There is one thing every and each one of us has in a finite amount and none of us knows how much. Time. What you invest your time into is more important than anything else.

  st4t1ck

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2/15/12 5:07:54 PM#77

The way this game is segregated, (WvWvw, structured pvp, Pve) i could care less what they sell as long as it doesnt trickle to the structured pvp and WvWvW.  cosmetic, stones, missions and so one has no effect on my game play if someone buys them or not

  Cursedsei

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2/15/12 5:15:06 PM#78
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Vesavius
 

Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).

Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.

I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.

 You aren't a gamer, you're just another person with an OPINION, hopefully you know what that means and understand it, because I even went through the trouble of capitalizing the whole word, as well as bolding and underlining it.

 

None of which makes your point any more true.

Yes, I am just another opinion in amongst many, where did I say I didn't consider myself that.

My opinion is that, in this instance, that you have chosen to comment personally on me because you have no point to make about the contents of my opinion that proves it's anything else but right. 

I suspect you have also chosen to attack me because you prefer buy your game rewards in cash shops rather then playing for for them and my suggesting that makes you less of a gamer struck a raw nerve.

 

No, the only reason I've "personally attacked"  you as you put it, is because of that comment of yours. Just because someone prefers one type of DLC to another, you personally attack them by saying they aren't a gamer without any real reason, and added nothing of value to any discussion here. If anyone else had made such a downright stupid claim, I'd of responded similarly to them as well.

Your opinion is as valid as mine, but I also don't go around calling anyone who doesn't agree with me less of a "gamer" than my-holier-than-thou-self that I think I am. You aren't some shining paragon of the Gamer definition, you're being the trollish, basement dwelling neckbeard sucking cheeto dust out of his fingernails right now.

 

Heck, if you stopped being the troll and sucked your gut back into its regular position, you'd be able to see my first post on this topic was in favor of extra mission content, but the trouble with GW2 is that with an open world MMO, its harder to add in paid content without disrupting other players.

Let's say you add a new dungeon into the game through one of these packs, you can't "single" out areas for players now, so everyone would end up seeing this new fancy building/cave/hole and everything. When they try to go to it though, or join a group for it, as soon as they go in they're going to be booted out immediately for not knowing you had to buy it.

 

I get the point you are trying to make, that you'd rather have everything available to customize your character with and not have to pay for it. There was a few costume pieces released for GW 1 that I'd love to have, but I didn't want to pay for them. That doesn't mean I get to run around and shout "You're inferior and you suck!" at every person wearing the Grenth/Dwayna costume though.

I agree with your point for the most part, but I don't agree with the way you just blatantly bash others over the head with it, as if you were some horny caveman striking his cave wives with rocks before dragging them off for snoo-snoo. Besides, ArenaNet HAS to make money some how. They can't just keep selling new dungeons/events because people WILL hate them for it, as if they are being nickel-and-dimed for any new piece of story or fun.

I'd also like to say that any costume piece released for GW2 may be earnable in-game as well. They've stated before they'd like to have in-game ways of earning the Transmutation stones so you don't have to spend real money for them, so whose to say they won't let you earn the costume pieces as well?

  Vesavius

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2/15/12 5:19:17 PM#79
Originally posted by dotdotdash
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Vesavius
 

Exactly the opposite of what any gamer should be saying... but then that's the result of the last few years of cash shop promoting by the industry (in the pursuit of as much 'pure profit' as possible).

Play to Achieve over Pay to Achieve any day for me. I don't want these games to become virtual knitting machines, made super easy to appeal to the widest market possible, with shopping malls attached.

I am a gamer, not a shopper, I want all DLC to be a substantial playable, challenging, and memorable experience. I don't want to buy new hats.

 You aren't a gamer, you're just another person with an OPINION, hopefully you know what that means and understand it, because I even went through the trouble of capitalizing the whole word, as well as bolding and underlining it.

 

None of which makes your point any more true.

Yes, I am just another opinion in amongst many, where did I say I didn't consider myself that.

My opinion is that, in this instance, that you have chosen to comment personally on me because you have no point to make about the contents of my opinion that proves it's anything else but right. 

I suspect you have also chosen to attack me because you prefer buy your game rewards in cash shops rather then playing for for them and my suggesting that makes you less of a gamer struck a raw nerve.

 

You may well have struck a nerve but that doesn't make your observation any more valid. Just because he choses to, or would like to, pay for certain aspects of the games he choses to play does not make him any less or more of a "gamer" than a person who choses to grind endlessly for the same benefits.

In fact a willingness to spend more money on his games, regardless of what he's chosing to pay for, would suggest that he's more of a gamer than you. A willingness to part company with more cash and time is a far more real commitment than a willingness to part company with purely time.

 

sure it does.

How is shopping for in game rewards 'gaming'? It is shopping, pure and simple.

A gamer isn't measured by how much he is willing to speand on virtual hat lol...what a funny thought. He is measured by his skill, knowledge, and in game achievements.

I suspect that your also a person that prefers to buy his in game rewards in cash shops (though I am also sure you will deny it now) and feel the need to justify the practise.

  Vesavius

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2/15/12 5:24:50 PM#80
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Vesavius
 

None of which makes your point any more true.

Yes, I am just another opinion in amongst many, where did I say I didn't consider myself that.

My opinion is that, in this instance, that you have chosen to comment personally on me because you have no point to make about the contents of my opinion that proves it's anything else but right. 

I suspect you have also chosen to attack me because you prefer buy your game rewards in cash shops rather then playing for for them and my suggesting that makes you less of a gamer struck a raw nerve.

 

No, the only reason I've "personally attacked"  you as you put it, is because of that comment of yours. Just because someone prefers one type of DLC to another, you personally attack them by saying they aren't a gamer without any real reason, and added nothing of value to any discussion here. If anyone else had made such a downright stupid claim, I'd of responded similarly to them as well.

Your opinion is as valid as mine, but I also don't go around calling anyone who doesn't agree with me less of a "gamer" than my-holier-than-thou-self that I think I am. You aren't some shining paragon of the Gamer definition, you're being the trollish... /snipping and stopping reading due to your repeated personal attacks

 

Seriously fella... by all means defend and support the point that you want to make, I will read it and respond, but these insults make me just stop.

If you went on to make an actual point, I apologise, but I just have been around forums too long to be bothered with this kind of start to a reply.

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