Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by Distaste

Correction, they sold 2 million boxes and had 1.7 million subs OR players on their free month. That means the population declined by 300k, triple what their "Main opponent" lost.

 

The only thing that will get real at the end of a year will be that SWTOR is going to be joining WAR and AoC in the big launch and fast decline club.

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You see, they are hanging everthing on Browns statement of 1.7 million subs currently. Only he was quoting Ritticello who say they generated 1.7 million subs to date. Brown misquoted him so one could argue that he said we currently "generated" 1.7 million subs. But the biodrones took it as 1.7 million currently.

Go back and read the exact quote, Brown misquoted the original quote.

then we have this follow up question:

Q: Just one really quick follow-up, can you give us a sense for how many of those 1.7 million active subs we can expect to convert to paying subs after the initial
free month?

A: I can tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch and you have a 30-day trial period.

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

So why are the digital deluxe prices $10 more expensive than the US version? Did they realise Australiasian are too rich and have money to chuck out everywhere?

So why is the standard edition $20 more expensive than the US versions? Because smart Australiasian will understand from NA launch that Digital Deluxe edition is full of junk that doesn't worth the money. I mean, the camera is a bloody zoom in printscreen macro.

But the game itself is pretty awesome.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by Distaste

Correction, they sold 2 million boxes and had 1.7 million subs OR players on their free month. That means the population declined by 300k, triple what their "Main opponent" lost.

 

The only thing that will get real at the end of a year will be that SWTOR is going to be joining WAR and AoC in the big launch and fast decline club.

While i am not optimistic about the game your post is just idiotic. Assuming their 1.7mil subs really were subs then that would make it the most successful game to launch in the west, ever. There would be no decline as subscruption wasn't possible before that point.

Your post just comes across as either bandwagon hopper or hillbilly straw expert.

You see, they are hanging everthing on Browns statement of 1.7 million subs currently. Only he was quoting Ritticello who say they generated 1.7 million subs to date. Brown misquoted him so one could argue that he said we currently "generated" 1.7 million subs. But the biodrones took it as 1.7 million currently.

 

Go back and read the exact quote, Brown misquoted the original quote.

 

then we have this follow up question:

Q: Just one really quick follow-up, can you give us a sense for how many of those 1.7 million active subs we can expect to convert to paying subs after the initial
free month?

A: I can tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch and you have a 30-day trial period.

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

woah how dare you post with facts... you must be wrong though... swtor must be upto about 5 million active subscribers by now, even though during peak times 4 at most servers are heavy to full and the rest and standard to light.. and thats not made up... there is an actual page on swtor website that shows current server status... ohhh and my sub runs out in like 6 days so i still get to login and see the server loads for myself when i want too... but clearly still retaining 1.7 million subs

the thing you optimists seem to miss that the realists point out and isnt being a hater or jumping on the bashing bandwagon, is that the data was posted as of 31st december 2011 when the Quarter ended.

the game launched on the 20th of december, 2 million copies were sold, let's assume the other 300k were people who had bought the game but not activated until the new year that 1.7 million people were all people in there first free month of the game who had to enter either a game time card or a credit card to be able to play thus "activating a sucscription" even after you cancel your subscription your account is still marked "active" for however many days still on your account in that current billing cycle.

so i'm really sorry to burst you bubbles but honestly calling people who put up facts and not just heresay and fake %'s to backup there statements dont make them haters or bashers... it makes them realistic and it makes anyone clinging to said 1.7million players and "most successful mmo ever" dellusional to be honest

LoL the AU asking price is more than I paid for my copy from amazon....

I would say "Southern Hemisphere Prepare For SWTOR" but then you would feel even more underwhelmed than I did at launch.

considering the asians like a grindfest this is gonna go down quicker than the titanic.

This really fuckin' shits me, its $59.99US on the website but $79.99AUD advertised for Aus.

Considering that $59.99 converted to AUS is $55.80AUD...

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=59.99&From=USD&To=AUD

Originally posted by Distaste

Originally posted by oblakoff

Decline in the west?

Almost 2 mill subs and raising?

Second Major patch in March? Fixing Bugs every week, great content, great levleing, great operations.

Main opponent keep losing subs, and the shit will get real when annual pass is over...

Correction, they sold 2 million boxes and had 1.7 million subs OR players on their free month. That means the population declined by 300k, triple what their "Main opponent" lost.

 

The only thing that will get real at the end of a year will be that SWTOR is going to be joining WAR and AoC in the big launch and fast decline club.

I beleive you missed the latest financial that actually was posted after the free month and did not include those numbers, let me see if I can find a link  was posted on the main SWTOR site so should be easy to locate.

One thing I find funny is if anyone says anything remotely positive about the game (not talking fanboys or girls) just something other then a negative comment, haters come out of the woodwork to put the game down. Just don't get why anyone thats hates or just dislikes the game would even take time to comment?

I for one don't waste time commenting on mmos I no longer play....am I odd or is anyone else the same way?

Originally posted by Areanna

Originally posted by Distaste

Originally posted by oblakoff

Decline in the west?

Almost 2 mill subs and raising?

Second Major patch in March? Fixing Bugs every week, great content, great levleing, great operations.

Main opponent keep losing subs, and the shit will get real when annual pass is over...

Correction, they sold 2 million boxes and had 1.7 million subs OR players on their free month. That means the population declined by 300k, triple what their "Main opponent" lost.

 

The only thing that will get real at the end of a year will be that SWTOR is going to be joining WAR and AoC in the big launch and fast decline club.

I beleive you missed the latest financial that actually was posted after the free month and did not include those numbers, let me see if I can find a link  was posted on the main SWTOR site so should be easy to locate.

One thing I find funny is if anyone says anything remotely positive about the game (not talking fanboys or girls) just something other then a negative comment, haters come out of the woodwork to put the game down. Just don't get why anyone thats hates or just dislikes the game would even take time to comment?

I for one don't waste time commenting on mmos I no longer play....am I odd or is anyone else the same way?

 

i dont hate the game and i've made negative comments..i think people are pissed off cos they really wanted to play this game..but its bug ridden ,the pvp sux,no end game hardly.the thing is they charged 50% more for this game than they normally do for any other mmo's,well at least in my country anyways..and given the budget  they had i think people have a right to fell disappointed,pissed off,annoyed..now i do agree people hate a game without trying it.but lets look at lets say rift(i dont play anymore,was going to sub a year but changeed mind).that game when released was so polished and has better gfx,gameplay imo,just my opinion..content wise rift was light..and so is swtor..everyone had a dig at rift for being so i dont know boring,tbh this game is even worse..its instanced to death,lack of content or things for people to do..on release they didnt even have the basic stuff like a friggin guild bank..i mean this is 2012.did thery really honestly think they were going to get away with this..no wonder there is a backlash.i really hope this game succeeds and gets better cos i want to play it,but £45 for a game thats in this state,i bought and played vanguard at launch,i aint goin thru that again.not saying that this is has bad as that but i think you know wot i mean,and also everything is so damn lifeless.(ok i have got my tin hat on ..bring it on guys).p.s.if i got anything wrong plz correct me..

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by AdamTM

Nice strategy to buff sub-numbers.

There go my predictions of retention.

We will never find out how this game does when they keep releasing it for separate regions every 3 months and count boxes sold.

The new way to perpetuate an MMO?

Wow, stop smelling the paint fumes.  They are opening the game to more people, it is natural that will mean more numbers.  Tin-foil-hat says:  "This must be some kind of conspiracy".

Its funny you would see a legitimate business strategy as a conspiracy.

Don't act like this is some benevolent decission for the consumers, its business.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by AdamTM

Nice strategy to buff sub-numbers.

There go my predictions of retention.

We will never find out how this game does when they keep releasing it for separate regions every 3 months and count boxes sold.

The new way to perpetuate an MMO?

Wow, stop smelling the paint fumes.  They are opening the game to more people, it is natural that will mean more numbers.  Tin-foil-hat says:  "This must be some kind of conspiracy".

Its funny you would see a legitimate business strategy as a conspiracy.

Don't act like this is some benevolent decission for the consumers, its business.

Of course it's business, which is why they are opening the game up to other countries.  What company looking to get the most bang for their buck wouldn't do that?  You're the one suggesting that they are simply doing this to hide low retention numbers, which is an asinine theory by even the most diehard, tin-foil hat wearing standard.

Don't worry, man.  Eventually they'll run out of countries.  Then you can pounce and say, "I told you so!"  if it makes you feel better. 

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

 

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

 So your making it up since no where is it stated...

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

 

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

 So your making it up since no where is it stated...

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Q: Just one really quick follow-up, can you give us a sense for how many of those 1.7 million active subs we can expect to convert to paying subs after the initial
free month?

A: I can tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch and you have a 30-day trial period.

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by AdamTM

Nice strategy to buff sub-numbers.

There go my predictions of retention.

We will never find out how this game does when they keep releasing it for separate regions every 3 months and count boxes sold.

The new way to perpetuate an MMO?

Wow, stop smelling the paint fumes.  They are opening the game to more people, it is natural that will mean more numbers.  Tin-foil-hat says:  "This must be some kind of conspiracy".

Its funny you would see a legitimate business strategy as a conspiracy.

Don't act like this is some benevolent decission for the consumers, its business.

Of course it's business, which is why they are opening the game up to other countries.  What company looking to get the most bang for their buck wouldn't do that?  You're the one suggesting that they are simply doing this to hide low retention numbers, which is an asinine theory by even the most diehard, tin-foil hat wearing standard.

Don't worry, man.  Eventually they'll run out of countries.  Then you can pounce and say, "I told you so!"  if it makes you feel better.  

I never said they do this to "hide low retention".

I said its a strategy to -increase- their subscription numbers for quarterly reports, which is exactly what they are doing.

Its infuriating in the sense that we won't get any concrete numbers (good or bad) that are not skewed favorably this way. This has nothing to do if they want to "hide" something or not.

Afaik, they do not need to hide anything if you go by that EA statement of 80% retention in month 1 which is very good. Now in Month 3 if they release the game for pacific/asia and get another 2 million sales, how can we tell what the retention is?

This goes both ways, you will also never find out if the game is (really) growing for example because the sub-data gets drowned out in the box-sales of the new region.

The only way to know would be a concrete statement on paper of divided subs/box sales of SWTOR-west and SWTOR-asia, which EA will never release, because that would be a bad investor-strategy.

Corporations are in the business of making themselves look good for investors by any legal means necessary.

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

 

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

 So your making it up since no where is it stated...

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Im not making up a single number, I am saying most is 50.1 or more. That's not made up, that's a fact.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

 

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

 So your making it up since no where is it stated...

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Im not making up a single number, I am saying most is 50.1 or more. That's not made up, that's a fact.

 Where are you pulling this so called fact from,{mod edit}

Originally posted by Bunks

A: I can tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch and you have a 30-day trial period.

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Bunks

Most of 1.7, in other words 851K or slightly more is most.  This whole 1.7 means 2 million is total nonsense.

Do you have a link for that 851k number, or are you just making shit up as you go along?  Most could also mean 1.5 million, correct?  You've got no more facts to back up your claims than the people claiming a bigger number like 1.5 million.  

 

My link is the EA boardroom.  {mod edit}

Anyone with an ounce of self respect knows that if they achieved their pre stated goal of 75% retention, they would have posted it and brought in dancing naked women with it tatooted across their chests if they had. So only a fool would think that most means over 75%.

Most means somewhere between 50.1-70% (probably 60% or so) if you use pure logic and deduction. But most definetly doesnt mean 1.7 or even 2 million. because when he hinted that they had 1 million logins a day, he may have tipped his hat right there. Which included non paying subs.

 So your making it up since no where is it stated...

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 {mod edit}

Im not making up a single number, I am saying most is 50.1 or more. That's not made up, that's a fact.

 I like how you went with the low end of the spectrum btw. Really shows your bias.