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  Blasphim

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9/01/11 10:02:00 AM#21

From what I recall from working in a hobby/game store many years ago, they are indeed the same "universe" i.e. warhammer fantasy is the basis for 40k.  Things may have changed since then, but that's what I recall.

  Grombrindal

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9/19/11 2:57:15 AM#22

The top brass always wanted a link between the lore (Jervis actually designed a lot of the story around the warhammer planet being in the eye of terror) but in a long interview in white dwarf they said they are officialy disconnected due to not wanting connonly legitimate arguments for space marines in the warhammer fantasy games, its that simple really.

Unfortunatly I think its a cop out because you still have the legitimate excuse even now in the lore of what if chaos or whoever invades one of the many pre industrial revolution planet's that make up the imperium of man.... granted its not strictly warhammer fantasy but it would still be cannons and muskets, pikes and longbows vs power armour and bolters.

  tom_gore

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9/19/11 3:07:26 AM#23
Originally posted by Methos12

There was once an implied direct fluff connection between Fantasy and 40k, in that the former was just one planet in the latter, but it's been long retconned just like many other things (shamans combining their life force to empower the Emperor in his early days on Earth, 5th Chaos God of Destruction, etc). Many elements are shared between the two Universes but they're not explicitely connected to one another.

 

This. Pretty much /thread here.

 

  Shmaw

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9/19/11 3:09:59 AM#24

Yes, if you know your lore, the warhammer world DOES exist somewhere in the 40k universe.  Here's a brief explaination why:

 

-  The lore in the warhammer world involves a race of "old ones" with portal technology that taught the elves magic.

-  The old ones brought the lizardmen into the world.  It's entirely possible that they brough the other races in as well.  This lore was explained in one of the old army books as I recall.  They did this in an effort to combat chaos.  Didn't work.

-  Chaos eventually caught up with the old ones, and took over the portal they had used to get to that world.  That's why the high elves had to create a "drain" effect on their island, to prevent their world from being swallowed by chaos.

 

So all in all, I want my space dwarves.  I mean, they are so short, everyone would just shoot over them right?

  Shmaw

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9/19/11 3:12:07 AM#25
Originally posted by neorandom

as mentioned, the gods from warhammer are still around in 40k

 

Khorn is the blood god, 40k still offers him blood and skulls for his throne, most chaos marines favor his worship, although some go with Nurgle, who is in both worlds.  Oddly no one really gives a crap about tzeentch in 40k, but they do invoke him somewhat for laser tank upgrades.

 

khaine the bloody handed dark elf god from warhammer, is a god to the eldar in 40k

 

human gods are the primarchs of the god emporer in 40k, whos geneseed is instilled in every clone marine grown.

 

orcs and orks all worship Mork and Gork

 

and all of the other warhammer gods are in 40k in some nook or cranny among the various space empires.

Oh, Space marines aren't cloned, they are impanted with a bunch of cool organs at a young age.

  Gorwe

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9/19/11 10:06:28 AM#26

Well there are many similarities as has been pointed out...but that's it

Concerning Sigmar and the Primarch part, it has been retconned by Sigmar books from Time of Legends series. I just suspect that they've been lazy and wanted to create sci-fi version of Warhammer with the same essence/gods etc...when they created 40k. 

Actually the lore states that when you look through the portal in the North(i.e. North Chaos Gate) you can see space and distant stars and planets. Originally this part stated that you could see the same, but with spaceships and troopers fighting(from some kind of empire{it totally does not begin with an I} and Chaos Servants). That was the most accurate link between Fantasy and 40k...however as the start of this paragraph clearly states, it has been retconned long ago. That old version didn't have to imply that Fantasy world is in/near the Eye of Terror(maybe nowhere near it) but simply imply the future of Fantasy Warhammer. Think about it.

  Garkan

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10/04/11 12:39:01 PM#27
Originally posted by Shmaw

Yes, if you know your lore, the warhammer world DOES exist somewhere in the 40k universe.  Here's a brief explaination why:

 

-  The lore in the warhammer world involves a race of "old ones" with portal technology that taught the elves magic.

-  The old ones brought the lizardmen into the world.  It's entirely possible that they brough the other races in as well.  This lore was explained in one of the old army books as I recall.  They did this in an effort to combat chaos.  Didn't work.

-  Chaos eventually caught up with the old ones, and took over the portal they had used to get to that world.  That's why the high elves had to create a "drain" effect on their island, to prevent their world from being swallowed by chaos.

 

So all in all, I want my space dwarves.  I mean, they are so short, everyone would just shoot over them right?

GW have refuted all of the (mostly fan made) stories about how the 40k world is in a bottle on a wizards shelf in warhammer or how the Warhammer world is isolated by a warp storm in the 40k world and the rest of them and state they are completly seperate and just use the same inspiration.

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  jjjk29

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10/04/11 12:42:33 PM#28

  They are closely related but are disconnected from each other.

  THQ does own the rights from GW to make games under the 40k IP, while EA owns the rights to Warhammer fantasy.  So in terms of the MMO is will be nothing like WAR.

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  lizardbones

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10/04/11 12:56:15 PM#29


Originally posted by Garkan


Originally posted by Shmaw
Yes, if you know your lore, the warhammer world DOES exist somewhere in the 40k universe.  Here's a brief explaination why:
 
-  The lore in the warhammer world involves a race of "old ones" with portal technology that taught the elves magic.
-  The old ones brought the lizardmen into the world.  It's entirely possible that they brough the other races in as well.  This lore was explained in one of the old army books as I recall.  They did this in an effort to combat chaos.  Didn't work.
-  Chaos eventually caught up with the old ones, and took over the portal they had used to get to that world.  That's why the high elves had to create a "drain" effect on their island, to prevent their world from being swallowed by chaos.
 
So all in all, I want my space dwarves.  I mean, they are so short, everyone would just shoot over them right?


GW have refuted all of the (mostly fan made) stories about how the 40k world is in a bottle on a wizards shelf in warhammer or how the Warhammer world is isolated by a warp storm in the 40k world and the rest of them and state they are completly seperate and just use the same inspiration.



It's entirely feasible that the Warhammer fantasy world is the start of the Warhammer 40k universe, just 40k years earlier.

I don't thinks anything at all to support this in lore, other than it's possible. 40k years is a very long time in regards to cultures and races.

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  Feydiir

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10/04/11 1:01:53 PM#30

They are not the same.  They make references in the books to our past and present, to be more specific, nations.  I know for sure they mentioned Egypt, but the spellings are always different, because it's from a long lost time.  The Fantasy Warhammer has a different world and geography than the 40k one.

  Garkan

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10/04/11 1:44:33 PM#31
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Garkan


Originally posted by Shmaw
Yes, if you know your lore, the warhammer world DOES exist somewhere in the 40k universe.  Here's a brief explaination why:
 
-  The lore in the warhammer world involves a race of "old ones" with portal technology that taught the elves magic.
-  The old ones brought the lizardmen into the world.  It's entirely possible that they brough the other races in as well.  This lore was explained in one of the old army books as I recall.  They did this in an effort to combat chaos.  Didn't work.
-  Chaos eventually caught up with the old ones, and took over the portal they had used to get to that world.  That's why the high elves had to create a "drain" effect on their island, to prevent their world from being swallowed by chaos.
 
So all in all, I want my space dwarves.  I mean, they are so short, everyone would just shoot over them right?



GW have refuted all of the (mostly fan made) stories about how the 40k world is in a bottle on a wizards shelf in warhammer or how the Warhammer world is isolated by a warp storm in the 40k world and the rest of them and state they are completly seperate and just use the same inspiration.



It's entirely feasible that the Warhammer fantasy world is the start of the Warhammer 40k universe, just 40k years earlier.

I don't thinks anything at all to support this in lore, other than it's possible. 40k years is a very long time in regards to cultures and races.

 


Except that in fluff the 40k world is in our future, the differance races are just aliens and the psychic evoloution of humans is well over 10,000 years into the future.

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  Dreawing

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12/16/11 2:11:23 AM#32

only cool thing about the warhammer 40k universe compared to all IP like starcraft and warcraft and diffrences that no one else does is that...

the 40k universe implies fantasy based combat with the use of guns to the combat.

because 65% percent of the models have swords or some melee type weapon with there guns but 35% of the models have guns only.

When you read the books to . Usually 100% of the time they use there guns then pretty much go into melee combat in 15 seconds after using there guns.

pretty much 85% percent of the kills in the book revolve around a sword or axe to the face and ripping his head off with the melee weapon or tearing his leg off with an axe.

every race is very good in close combat besides tau and couple other models like necron warriors or eldar dark reapers.

that why 40k implies fantasy style wars very well to a future setting compared to other ips that are sci fi. exp star wars, starship troopers and starcraft. etc.

 

  nerovipus32

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2/05/12 8:45:06 AM#33

They are set in the same universe, orcs in warhammer fantasy are spores that come from space. They have the same chaos gods so obviously its the same universe...some say warhammer fantasy is the future because slaanesh is actually born in the 40k universe and is worshipped in warhammer fantasy and has always existed.

Slaanesh came into existence during the time in the 30th Millennium the Eldar call the Fall. He was born from the Warp-reflection of the decadence and hedonism of the Eldar race at the height of their own interstellar empire.

  Spalliero

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2/05/12 9:21:13 AM#34
OP:

Same universe 40k years apart.

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  Garkan

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2/05/12 12:17:25 PM#35

Why do people insist they are in the same universe? Gamesworkshop retconned the Black Library book(s) that connected them. The recent fluff, all the recent fluff makes it very clear that the 40k universe is our universe 40,000 years into our future.

I challenge anyone to back up any claims of connection with some cannon proof that hasnt been retconned.

 

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  Nonderyon

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2/07/12 8:14:36 PM#36

Who know about the two game they know Warhammer and Warhammer 40k not related any part of it,  the two are different universe...

Yes the gods and races are almost the same, but different how they born...etc.

 

  freakishbean

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2/07/12 11:47:47 PM#37

The way I remember hearing about it, is that the 40k is indeed *our* future, but the Warhammer Fantasy world is a seperate world entirely, and it is set on a planet that is surrounded by impenetrable warp storms, hence no races are able to travel there.

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  Garkan

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2/08/12 4:09:50 AM#38
Originally posted by freakishbean

The way I remember hearing about it, is that the 40k is indeed *our* future, but the Warhammer Fantasy world is a seperate world entirely, and it is set on a planet that is surrounded by impenetrable warp storms, hence no races are able to travel there.

Games Workshop did indeed flirt with that concept, Sigmar was one of the lost primarchs etc. They even had TT units from 40k make guest apperances in Warhammer games at events.

However GW retconned it and dropped back to the "they share the same inspiration" concept.

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  StMichael

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2/13/12 5:05:12 PM#39

Up until the end of 2nd edition, Games Workshop went with the idea of 40k being a continuation of Warhammer Fantasy set 40 thousand years in the future. After that, they retconned and started gearing the setting more towards it's own stand-alone IP. They still share some things like the Chaos Gods, Orks etc, but all the potential connections between the two were rendered strictly non-cannon as far as Games Workshop is concerned.

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