Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

Voice Over? Choreographed combat? Cinematic interactive cutscenes? Dozens of Star Wars storylines?

That's not exatly copy and paste. You might as well call every MMO in the past 10 years copy and paste.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

 If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eddieg50

 

   Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol.  The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you.  When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean

gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?

  Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

 If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.

Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side.  Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all,  not even close.

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

   Agreed alot of people want ther version of the perfect game and when they do not get it they become morose and super negative

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eddieg50

 

   Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol.  The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you.  When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean

gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?

  Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about

your calling me a troll when you just posted about 3 pages of replies with 1 sentance answers and most added nothing to the argument? ok then. I'm just trying to figure out how and in what world people find this such an amazing game.. I would love to be their also.. if there was another big sci-fi MMO out there I would be playing it but there isn't.  

Originally posted by Normike

The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.

 

The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...

 

    yes the suspense is very good, while I dont think we are talking academy award winners necessarily we are looking at very good writing here

Originally posted by Normike

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

Voice Over? Choreographed combat? Cinematic interactive cutscenes? Dozens of Star Wars storylines?

That's not exatly copy and paste. You might as well call every MMO in the past 10 years copy and paste.

every MMO in the past 10 years or so HAS been mostly a copy & paste job which is sad and as you can see from the history of MMOs most of these fail. I just would think by now dev's would see this but guess not.. and choreographed combat? really? only way it somewhat looks choreographed is if you are melee against another melee and sit directly infront of them and exchange blows. And even in doing this you only have a couple of actual animations so it's basically the same thing over nad over.. while it is slightly better animations than standard past MMOs it's really nothing to write home about.

Also the storylines are fine for a SRPG but don't add a whole lot to the whole MMO aspect of the game

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eddieg50

 

   Dont worry about it Sur confusion is rampant on these forums lol.  The story in SWTOR is very suspensefull, one second someone is your friend the next they want to kill you.  When the quest come on just dont press the space bar and you will see what i mean

gonna take a shot in the dark you don't watch a lot of movies, read many books, play many SRPGs, or get out much do you?

  Usually when someone cannot answer a question or put forth one that makes sense they turn into a troll , I am not saying this is you san but it is something to think about

your calling me a troll when you just posted about 3 pages of replies with 1 sentance answers and most added nothing to the argument? ok then. I'm just trying to figure out how and in what world people find this such an amazing game.. I would love to be their also.. if there was another big sci-fi MMO out there I would be playing it but there isn't.  

     I said you may be a troll because your comment was negative without advancing the arguement, it was insults vs constructive crit, you were assuming without facts and you were just trying to get a reaction were'nt you?

    why were many of my responses 1 sentance? Because unllike wow i dont need to put a wall of text out there to answer someones question.    Why do people find this an amazing game?  There are 17 pages here that answer this question!!!!   We get it you dont like the game, I cannot say what has allready been said

Originally posted by Kanester  It's hard to put my finger on, I loved leveling up and I wouldn't say there was lack of end content either. Just the fact I doesn't feel like a world, What I'm playing now is just like an instanced game like vanguard.

I was with you until the comment about Vanguard.  Unless you're talking about the new end-game stuff they added that I haven't seen, VG's dungeons were open, part of the Huge-mongous world.  I usually never use that non-word, but it's fitting. 

So .. And I know this is off-topic, but how is Vanguard instanced now?

On topic - haven't played sweater, never planned on playing, prolly never will play.  I have nothing against it, I just found something that's right for me and have no desire to look any further.

I *am* however glad that the OP found a game they like.  After only a couple weeks(if i read it right), it's usually hard to tell though.. But I wish them the best of luck.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

 If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.

Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side.  Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all,  not even close.

 You are the steady drumbeat of rain on an empty city. No one hears you because it's all just white noise that never changes.

Originally posted by eddieg50

 

     I said you may be a troll because your comment was negative without advancing the arguement, it was insults vs constructive crit, you were assuming without facts and you were just trying to get a reaction were'nt you?

    why were many of my responses 1 sentance? Because unllike wow i dont need to put a wall of text out there to answer someones question.    Why do people find this an amazing game?  There are 17 pages here that answer this question!!!!   We get it you dont like the game, I cannot say what has allready been said

    

curious why hang out here on a sunday defending a such great game and not go play.. for me If I really had something I wanted to play I'd probably be doing that not on here trying to find some glimmer of hope for this game. 

i asked earlier in this thread why YOU personally feel this is such a wonderful game and I yet to hear any sort of answer to that other than "story is great"

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

 If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.

Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side.  Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all,  not even close.

 You are the steady drumbeat of rain on an empty city. No one hears you because it's all just white noise that never changes.

never changes? lol go back to a month ago I said this game was easily a 7/10.. now I feel it's about a 5/10.. I Have given numerous examples, shown video, ect.. unlike many others here that just like you say never change and continue their "white noise" statements.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I still say SW:Tor is a safe haven for carebears... And its still frustrating we cant get to them...

Fact Bioware protects carebears in SWTOR from greifing, you cant delevlel them or kill them and Loot all of their gear.. leaving them naked on the ground,

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Scaming. You cant trick and fool people into sending you ingame money, and promise to send dubble the amount back.. but just keeping the money yourself...

Fact Biowar protects carebaers from perma death. You cant kill off peopes Charecters and force them to start over...

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Ninja looting. You get drops randomly how lame is that

Fact Bioware makes use of BOP and BOE. To protect against making any decent IRL cash selling stuff to lazy carebears outside the game..

Fact Bioware is protecting carebears from rage quitting in tears and unsubbing to the game Because of prevoiusly stated facts, how lame is that

All in all Bioware are the carebears champion and they have made a safe haven for them to hang out in.. and we cant get our dirty paws on them..

You need to grow up with the constant use of the term "carebear."  If you feel that your manhood is determined by the "hardcoreness" (is that a word) of a "Game," you need to reevaluate your life.

Join the military or become a cop.  Trying to prove how "hardcore" you are in a "game" is an oxymoron.  Star Wars universe has nothing to do with being hardcore... there are millions and millions of families who fell in love with the franchise and the STORIES associated with the franchise.  If a game tries to deliver that same staple of the franchise, and you call it being "carebear" so be it.

BTW - this hardcore sandbox mentality of "I should be able to kill you in open world pvp and steal all your items so that you can farm more gear for the next year" is the DUMBEST thing i've ever heard.  You're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses but the reality is, I play an MMO after 13 hours at work and only have an hour or two a night to get my Star Wars fix.  Your view of what the game "should be" goes against what the majority wants. 

It's the same reason some of you blew a gasket when you heard what the subscriber numbers were based on the press release.  "How could it have so many subs, they MUST BE LYING.  Any game that I don't like cannot be successful, that's a FACT."

Get over yourself.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ZizouX

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Seriously if i want a good story in my game i'll play a single player game..thats the purpose they serve.

A game can serve any purpose it wants.  To say MMO's shouldn't focus on story is a sad testament to the current state of the genre.

 

I love SWTOR for the same reasons expressed by people on this thread.  I don't think I can ever go to a game with pages and pages of text.  People won't realize how great SWTOR is in terms of story and content until they have something to compare it to.

 

Unless other mmo's offer VO, at least for the main story and some important side story chains... a lot of people will complain.  I really feel SWTOR has created a point of no return, most new mmo's will likely have some form of voice over or else people will call it a "step back" in the genre.

The real sad things though is that all of you who like the game Lack any Sence of vision.. or want anny type of Innovation. You are happy just to have VOs.. and linear progression that is all that is needed for you to fork up money..

For alot of us this isent Enough.. we want other things then VOs and boring kills quest, running RAids over and over.. And if you like Riads, doing quest and levling, Guess what you can do it for free.. or for a one time Fee like GW2. Its lucky for Bioware that there are people like you, makes their jobb easy, they just have to copy paste and they are done.

But dont expect the rest of us to respect anyone of you for playing this game. We dont.. you know all those old cartoons when someone gets played or are made out to be a fool.. They get a lollipop over their head "SUCKER" that is how the reast of us see when we read your posts.. And if you like to be the laughing stock of the Internet.. Go right ahead...

  Zlayer you make some good points of course than you ruin it by insulting your readers.  Innovation is important and I do expect bioware to continue to improve things like the Space game and if they dont then I will be dissapointed.   Many of us are somewhat dissapointed in MMO's because they lack the fun factor and story line, SWTOR puts the fun factor back into the game .  To many of us the mmo treadmill is not where its at, we want a great story with cut scenes and voice overs and we want that in a massive scale

Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.

I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.

Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by BarCrow

Accuracy and opinions are exclusive. They're opinions. They don't have to be accurate.  I can say 2+2=7 in my opinion. It is neither innaccurate nor accurate. It is an opinion. Now..your opinion may be I'm full of shit. That is also neither fact nor fiction.  Just another opinion. You may question the mathematical elements of my opinion but again..the opinion itself...as a whole...is neither right nor wrong just because someone agrees or disagrees with said opinion. All this is , as you may have already guessed, my opinion.

2+2=7 is not an opinion since the answer is a known fact and if you think that qualifies as a good argument on opinions and facts.. i dunno what to say about that... it's like saying it's my opinion the earth is flat... that's not an opinion that's just being a moron 

 

swtor is heavily instanced/phased... fact

swtor has linear planet design and questing.... fact

swtor gives only a couple of actual skills though talents..... fact

swtor is your basic tab target MMO combat minus autoattack... fact

swtor does not have 200 hours of unique content per class.... fact

swtor dialogue choices do not have major impacts in your overall story and the world around.... fact

 

 

 

Those are facts according to you. Some i may agree or disagree with in varying degress. I like SWTOR despite your "facts"...Just like the math in my example "opinion" was factually inaccurate.....the facts in your statement have nothing to do with opinion except in forming your own opinion based on your own bias or perceptions of experience. They are even subconsciously  influenced by past likes/dislikes or bias.. Like i was implying....anything can be an opinion ...even the blatantly false or mathematically disproven. Facts have nothing to do with it. Its merely what someone believes no matter how insubstantiated it may seem to someone else.

in your logic nothing is fact then if EVERYTHING can be seen as an opinion.. 

Not true. An opinion and fact are exclusive. Only if one is disingenuine and states things as opinion when he really doesn't hold that particular opinion. That's just lying . I did a similar thing as an extreme example..only to distinguish opinion from facts and not to support any argument I may have as to whether SWTOR is good or not.At least that was my intent .LOL..LOL .Lol. I guess I could have just said " I like SWTOR because I find it not too instanced and enjoy the PVP". These elements ...like the math example...may not be true or add up for you..but they are still my opinion. ..I am merely babbling and ranting on the term "opinion" itself. I'll stop now since..as far as this thread is concerned , I've already stated I like the game regardless. The great thing is...after i play some more...I may end up hating the game. Opinions are not set in stone.

"it was the perfect game for a casual semi hc player like myself"

Casual semi hardcore player lol

Originally posted by Normike

The suspense is hot. It's not suspense like sitting on the edge of your seat, dripping with sweat, stunned that one of main story characters just got their head chopped off, like a Game of Thrones type book. But you do have a nice interest in finding out whats gonna happen next.

 

The imperial agent storyline is damn good. DAMN GOOD. Even the voice actor was sickening (awesome). The jedi knight storyline was interesting enough for me to keep going till the end. No major OMG plot twists but it was ok. The "OMG" part is trying to figure out if I could ever go back to another MMO that didn't have story woven into the game like this. Thx SWTOR, I'm ruined too...

 

What suspense? These story lines are hackneyed at best. The only "twist" in either that I have seen is in one you get betrayed. Which omg llike can't see it comeing since for about the second half of the chapter you only get warned by everyone that she will betray you.

...and the other ended up working for the other side. Which I must say couldn't see that coming but considering they hardly used the character at all can't say I doubt anyone much cared. I didn't realize who the hell they were even talking about at first because he's hardly used at all but then you're supposed to be shocked I suppose when he ends up betraying you. It lacks any depth and very few notable characters. Not to mention there aren't any climactic builds at all.

It isn't like video games have the greatest wrap for storytelling anyways so not trying to take the game to task over it. I'll take a main story or plot driving the game and world over this though. Simply feels watered down because I guess they had so much to write for. I don't think the story telling in this game is noteworthy in the least outside of maybe a few 'haha hehe' moments for KOTOR fans.

Also, even though you did say it's "suspense" wasn't on the same level as Game of Thrones to even use the two in a comparison on any level other than to compare good story telling to well...you get the idea...is simply wrong on so many levels.

Originally posted by echolynfan

Yep - and you get that with SWTOR - and then you hit 50 and realize (like I did) that this is a giant polished turd. I had such high hopes for SWTOR which makes the disappointment even greater. I can't believe they spent millions of dollars on that piece of crap.

I WAS one of the bigger supporters of SWTOR on this and other forums - was in Beta and bought 2 copies of the Deluxe Edition (my wife never made it past 30 before proclaiming it crap) so I'm not talking outta my ass.

Broken game - broken raiding - broken PVP - worthless crafting and an even worse Space Mini-game. BW hit a milestone LOW with this MMO.

Wow, can't say I'm surprised some are changing their tune but a bit surprised how severe your opinion changed. Really does say something considering how much of an avid supporter of this game you were.

Can't say my opinion has changed yet. Although I never thought this game was anything special or great to begin with. About the only thing that has changed for me is how amazed I am at how badly they have managed server populations and due to how low some are in people it just highlights how awful their lfg mechanics are.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ianicus

In the end it doesnt matter what any of us think, if one enjoys it, perfect, a happy customer, if one does not, oh well you cant please everyone, and that is the ONLY fact that matters here. No matter what a company does they will not create a game that will make everyone happy, period. Bioware was trying to create a game that would be reasonably fun and make some money at the same time, have they done this? most likely. 

What I am really tired of on this website is all the folks out there expecting companies to make them a game that will somehow "change thier lives" or "make them whole" its kind of pathetic acctualy. These are video games guys, if you want a real sandbox expierience go outdoors, climb a cliff, ride a mountain bike, learn how to cook...for real....Im sorry but more an more mmo players are just looking to replace thier lives with a game and its sickening.

i was just looking a decent sci-fi MMO that didn't copy and paste everything from the past 15 years aside from full VO.. guess I'm being WAY to picky though..

 If you were looking at SWTOR I can't imagine what you were thinking. It's like buying ice cream and complaining because it's cold. Again and again and again. Time to get over it. Oh look there's a whole bunch of people bitching about Tera. Time to move the herd on to the next corral. Head 'em, up move 'em out there Rowdy.

Tera isn't really that good.. blade & soul combat is a ton better hopefully that game will get a NA release.. either way I still don't get the atiitude you SHOULD of been expecting exactly what was released and blah blah blah.. bottom line for me this game does not feel like the most expensive MMO ever created and in many ways feels worse than games like Rift on the MMO side.  Game is a letdown to me and many others plain and simple.. I don't feel I had any sort of insane expectations at all,  not even close.

 You are the steady drumbeat of rain on an empty city. No one hears you because it's all just white noise that never changes.

This. Same thing over and over and over and over again every day for a hundred times in every TOR related thread out there and half of the threads that has nothing to do with TOR. I hate carrots.

I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I love orange colour but I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I love orange colour so I should love carrots but they taste like shit so I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I hate carrots. I would like to know why you like carrots? I hate carrots. I hate carrots. - "I like carrots because they make a nice crunching sound when I bite them" - The sound is boring as hell for me. I hate carrots I hate carrots.

You hate carrots, because you dont like the taste, that's okay. You like the colour but not the taste, not even the crunching sound. Everyone gets it. Mission accomplished.