I will be following xFire and server stats in this thread. Please try to not engage in lengthy discussions about xFire being representative or not of overall players. If you think xFire means nothing, that's fine, if you think xFire is a good indicator, that is fine too. If you look at the "Seems SWTOR has peaked in xFire" thread, you will see that almost 100 pages of discussions clearly show that one can't convince the other. Lets focus on results. Also please respect everyone's view on that.

Links:

http://www.xfire.com/games/swtor/Star_Wars_The_Old_Republic/

http://www.mmo-junkies.net/statistics/

This is what i have so far for xFire, in number of players. I'm keeping that becasue there is no history of number of players (afaik):

* All-time low.

At launch these numbers were around 11.000.

Yesterday was a low saturday, compared to previous saturday, which was rather high after a low friday. Sever status also showed a big increase last week-end, and now seems rather low.

We also seen the all-time low this friday.

Great idea monitoring this since we can't see history of the amount of users which I think is the most interesting number.

Think you should change the days to the day the numbers actually represent though, since we get the numbers the day after. Ie. the one you call saturday is actually for Friday Feb. 10th and so on.

Quick question, Who cares about xFire? Or its stats? It kind of required people to take the effort to download yet another archaic chat client and install it, with intrusive software. I live in a house of 4 gamers, none of us use it, so how are its stats even remotely relevant?

This says that players are playing less. Since players are more active at launch, and not all of them stick around, I'd say this means almost nothing. Add in the part about xfire stats being completely subjective, I'd say the numbers mean nothing.

Please use the other thread to discuss whether X-fire stats are useful or not, if you see any point in discussing it still.

Originally posted by djmtott

This says that players are playing less. Since players are more active at launch, and not all of them stick around, I'd say this means almost nothing. Add in the part about xfire stats being completely subjective, I'd say the numbers mean nothing.

No the number of users isn't the same as the number of hours they play. And use the other thread for this type of discussion please.

Here we go again lol.

I have never used Xfire and Never will.

Originally posted by altair4

Originally posted by djmtott

This says that players are playing less. Since players are more active at launch, and not all of them stick around, I'd say this means almost nothing. Add in the part about xfire stats being completely subjective, I'd say the numbers mean nothing.

No the number of users isn't the same as the number of hours they play. And use the other thread for this type of discussion please.

It's not just hours, it's days. Maybe they played every day of the week, but now it's only a few days a week.

And you can't have a discussion about the numbers without taking their reliability/feasibility into account.

There is already a thread going on about Xfire.... why we need another new one?

Originally posted by Shivam

There is already a thread going on about Xfire.... why we need another new one?

Because some people think they're so important that they need their own thread, or that what they have to say is so important it's not meant to be at the end of a huge thread.

Been checking on the server populations at prime time when they used to be chock-full and over time there's definitely a lot more light and standard servers now. So the game is definitely being played a lot less now than when I played.

Originally posted by Seanalex

Quick question, Who cares about xFire? Or its stats? It kind of required people to take the effort to download yet another archaic chat client and install it, with intrusive software. I live in a house of 4 gamers, none of us use it, so how are its stats even remotely relevant?

Short answer is their not, the stats for Xfire only apply to those who use it, and not to the overall population of the game in question, and despite claims to the contrary, Xfire does not measure or indicate trends, so any argument based on Xfire numbers is by definition, a flawed one..

Thanks OP! This data will no doubt be intresting. 

Originally posted by Seanalex

Quick question, Who cares about xFire? Or its stats? It kind of required people to take the effort to download yet another archaic chat client and install it, with intrusive software. I live in a house of 4 gamers, none of us use it, so how are its stats even remotely relevant?

Considering the last thread about xfire went on for over 900 replies ... i think alot of people care for it one way or the other.

Also i do not see what the relevance of stats has to do with your 4 friends. Thats the whole point of it, 99.9% of voters also do not get questioned after leaving the voting booth, infact those statistics are based on less than 1000 people out of 40 million eligible voters in my country and yet they manage an accuracy of within 1-3%.

Infact i can say that i do not know a single person who ever participated in such a poll. But you know why i don't question them? Because i have seen them being right again and again and again since i was a little child. Xfire is obviously far less than those professional statistics, but i still have seen it being right again and again.

Its like watching the same experiment for the tenth time and expecting THIS time it will turn out different than the previous 9 times because what shouldn't be can't be. Xfire is not a tool predicting things, it is showing us how things currently ARE within the xfire population. Its accuracy within that context is 100%. Beyond that we only have conjecture based on past experience.

My clan is a big clan, we had over 200 members at start logging in. This went down to around 120 after a few weeks.

Its now down to under 40 a day logged in.

Swtor = same old same old

Hype is gone and players are fed up of the same old same old.

Roll on Tera with action combat or Darkfall 2.0!!

A lot has been said about this already, but I will repeat my earlier threads, wherever they are now, and say that something that has generally been ignored is the outside world situation, austerity measures across nations is taking its toll and yes, people still have disposable income but are being cautious whereas others don't have disposable income for MMO's, even F2Ps are becoming a luxury, even as I type this Greece has been burning yet again this week in protests and the worst probably hasn't happened yet. It's not surprising that this impact may, with an emphasis on may, be seen with less game time being spent in recurring subscription based MMO's like WoW and SWTOR.

I started the old thread and kind of understand why you started a new one as the old one was hijacked about people repeteadly saying XFire is useless, like saying it over and over would make it true.

Regardless I am still following the trends on XFire, and will continue to do so, and the numbers peaked in late december/early january and has since then been steadily dropping. As more and more finish their class story lines they realise there is not much to do beside rerolling or quitting and more and more I believe are doing the latter.

That being said, I am playing the game casually maybe 20 hours per week, and I am only level 35 (with a bunch of alts ranging from lvl 10-20) so there seems to be still some life in this game. However by end of month I should be level 50 and probably quit as well so I predict the next noticeable drop would be end of fenruary/early march.

Originally posted by Shivam

There is already a thread going on about Xfire.... why we need another new one?

Because thats the easiest way to get rid off all arguments contradicting them and turning their flawed speculation moot?

Its like people just waiting 10 pages on the last thread and then bring up EXACTLY the same claims again and act like no one has ever touched that one...

Just look. They are already bringing up the same flawed analogies, arguments and conjecture up to excuse the assumptive speculation which have already been debunked in the last thread several times.

Majority of people (more than 8 out of 10) who defend x-fire speculation have already shown they dont even know how x-fire works and what kind of data they are actually looking at. They dont even bother to make a difference between playtime hours and individual user activity. They just pick the numbers that "look" worse/better and suit their agenda. Leave alone a difference between useractivity and an active subscription. Then even smaller is the number whom has a clue what the word correlation means and how many factors even exist that affect these "numbers" which are rarely or ever even taken into consideration. Then even less have a clue about even the most fundamental basics of statistics and sampling. They dont even want to comprehend that xfire is not even a "sampling tool". Yet in the end almost all keep on falling back to the cheap ignorant assumption "they have been proven right in the past" to validify their continued speculation at the end or start of every discussion, which arent even conjecture because xfire has ONLY been proven NOT to be accurate whenever official data was available, the rest are plain even baseless assumption their generalized speculations ("its going down") where "right", and the ""proven accuracy of the speculation" is then decontextualized into "proven accuracy of x-fire"...

it never was.. it never will be.  but I am shure they will never cease to insist so.

Originally posted by Seanalex

Quick question, Who cares about xFire? Or its stats? It kind of required people to take the effort to download yet another archaic chat client and install it, with intrusive software. I live in a house of 4 gamers, none of us use it, so how are its stats even remotely relevant?

Only trolls care about Xfire.  I was in a guild of over 300 people and none of them uses XFire.  Xfire is predominantly a FPS genre's measuring stick anyway.  In 11 years of MMO's Most people I know or knew only care about MMO's and could care less about other genres of games.