Games are better if they are policed by players rather than by some artificial criminal flag.  If you are going to have some sort of criminal system like this you need to have full or at least partial looting.  Otherwise there won't be any pvp at all since you get punished for winning, which doesn't sit well with hardcore pvpers.

Originally posted by sullivanj69

Games are better if they are policed by players rather than by some artificial criminal flag.  If you are going to have some sort of criminal system like this you need to have full or at least partial looting.  Otherwise there won't be any pvp at all since you get punished for winning, which doesn't sit well with hardcore pvpers.

Full loot on criminals for sure. less loot on lawfull players be they good or evil faction.

keep in mind good, evil are factions not to be confused with criminal(aka greifer). It is perfectly reasonable to have a lawful evil "faction"  they get greifed just like the good lawfull players.

Originally posted by Loke666

It wont really work, a ganker will gank no matter what the punishment.

What do work pretty fine is a lot less gap between noobs and leveled up players, and less impact on gear. That turns of the cowardly noob killer at least (or makes him work in groups) since those usually suck so bad that they only attack people they can´t loose against.

The good PvPers on the other hand is impossible to avoid unless you play on a PvE server.

Lineage had the idea that you could PvP flag enemy guilds by declaring war if their prince accepted on PvE servers, that worked fine there but it is really only an option to add a little open PvP on a PvE server.

Let´s face it, if someone can gank you someone will, so you either needs plenty of actual restrictions to stop it (like must flag for PvP or PvP in seperate areas of the game like GW2s the mists).

ganking and griefing are 2 different things

Originally posted by Hluill

 

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Originally posted by Hluill
 

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Originally posted by MacroHard

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Originally posted by Hluill

One of the problems with PvP is game design itself: Levels, Hitpoints, Gear.
The lowbie doesn't stand a chance against the even a mediocre PK.
Until, games enable anybody to kill anybody, no matter the level or gear disparity, PvP will always be an immature joke.
 

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that's why we are talking about different solutions to deter griefing.  As long as you're here, read a post or two.  Might learn something.

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~laughs~ Do you dismiss my point so easily? One of the ways to address the issue is to lessen the disparity created by levels, skills and gear. If lowbies were able to defend themselves against griefers, then griefers wouldn't be able to function..

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I just got back from taking the dog for a run , so I've given my reply even further thought.

We can talk about punish griefers, just like we talk about punishing rapists and robbers, but that only arguably lessens the crime rate. I want to empower the would-be victims. Give them choices that work, like being able to run away, to defend themselves or to avoid it altogether. Many of us play these games to be heroes, not victims.

Players always have the option of fight or flight... that's not going anywhere.  The whole point of open PvP is to make the game feel less restrictive and give players more options.  Not everyone wants to have to queue into a PvP instance just for the sake of fighting players over trivial nonsense that arguably has little to no significant impact on the game itself.  PvP takes a backseat to many games that center the majority of their content to PvE.  There is nothing wrong with ensuring there is give and take in all things players have access to.. that's the epitomy of balance.

I don't think it's a good idea or makes any real sense to allow a level 1 player to hold his own against a level 58..  Where players don't have the opportunity to adequately defend themselves against griefing.. that's where a punishment system comes in.

Originally posted by sullivanj69

Games are better if they are policed by players rather than by some artificial criminal flag.  If you are going to have some sort of criminal system like this you need to have full or at least partial looting.  Otherwise there won't be any pvp at all since you get punished for winning, which doesn't sit well with hardcore pvpers.

Griefing is not PvP.. mechanics set to contend griefing  that also devalue PvP as a whole are simply badly implemented mechanics.  Worthwhile systems won't deter PvPers who aren't griefers because these systems won't be hampering their performance/experience.