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2/09/12 11:50:12 AM#61
Originally posted by fadis They most certainly will cut back staff and money to the budget if they feel they can't keep the subs. They even raised the bar to what constitutes a profit margin for their game now, 500k to break even. 1 million to make a small profit. That right there should tell you how much the costs overuns this game incurred. Last year it was 500k to make a profit.
TOR was going to be their (according to Eric Brown himself) a "10 year opportunity". It not why their stocks are dropping, but it does hurt their liquidity issue after going on a year spending spree buying up companies this last year. It's probably why Ritticello threw Brown under the bus.
Darthater blog even spewed exactly what I was saying yesterday. Too funny, guess we both live in a fantasy world. http://mmoverflow.com/2012/02/swtor-subscription-numbers-and-retention-possibilities/ The revenue brought in from 2 million box sales would equal roughly 120 million ($60 per unit). If the game did cost the newly estimated 200 Million Dollars, the 1 million retained subscribers would need to play the game for approximately 6 months at $15 per month in order for the game to recoup its investment money. |
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2/09/12 2:08:45 PM#62
Originally posted by Bunks
Right >.< DH specifically states, 'IF the game did cost the newly ESTIMATED'
IF points clearly at a condition, as in 'if it's true that'
Furthermore, ESTIMATED points towards an estimation being made, not a clear cut figure, just like 500 million dollars and 80 million dollars were 'estimated' as well.
Regardless, it only points that the DH guys have a proper sense of perspective and reality check by using those words, nothing more. Whether they use these terms or would have posted claims like 'the official cost of TOR of 200 million dollars' (which they didn't, but suppose), the fact remains that no official figures have been stated, only a wild and varied range of 'estimations' by others. The latest news article doesn't even have a source they refer to from where they plucked the 200 million dollars from. It might as well have been made up by the reporter who wrote the article doing his own speculating because he thought it sounded like a nice acceptable figure, who knows.
In any case, DH guy who wrote it like that clearly is aware of the conditional and unproven nature of what he quoted, in contrast to some other people who present those figures as hard proven facts and absolute truths.
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2/09/12 2:47:13 PM#63
Originally posted by maskedweasel Careful where you throw that phrase around.. fancy hat.. Valve could be watching. He who keeps his cool best wins. |
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2/10/12 9:23:58 AM#64
What isn't in doubt is that EA stock is down almost another 5% today.... lookout below!
Of note... downgrades today on concerns about TOR.
In which, "the ramp of Star Wars subscribers remains the key issue for the stock, we now see more uncertainty than warrants an Outperform rating." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-downgraded-to-neutral-at-macquarie-2012-02-10?siteid=yhoof2
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Zlayer77
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Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/10/12 12:09:00 PM#65
Originally posted by fadis Yes I think this is a much more REAL indicator that EAs new scam isent doing so well amongst us players.. Much more so then Hyped up numbers about how many is actually playing "without an outside look into what the numbers really are, and having to rely on the Developer of the game to pull numbers out of their HAT there will never be any clear answer to how many are actually playing the game" But cries of empty servers and mergers... and people asking others to Not give up on the game should be a clear indicator that things are not going in the right direction for EA... AOC and War hammer had alot of those post also.. And you know what EA was part of that also.. are we begining to see a trend here??? I think EA might consider at this point changing their name Like BLACKWATER.Inc had to do, that evil mercernary company is calling themself Xe these days.. Might be something to think about for the suites employed by EA... |
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2/10/12 12:14:32 PM#66
The trouble is next quaterly earnings are lowered. Cash liquidity makes a company more flexible and SWTOR was expected to be a cash cow to counterwieght all the money they spent gobbling up all the smaller tech companies. Now they have minimal operating cash because that counterweight looks more like a paperweight. So its either pull in investors or cut back expenses. Well today a major investment group just put EA on hold, so look for EA to do some major restructuring(ie downsizing in certain areas). |
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2/10/12 1:01:55 PM#67
Originally posted by Zlayer77 AOC and War hammer had alot of those post also.. And you know what EA was part of that also.. are we begining to see a trend here??? EA wasn't part of AoC -_- And comparing EA with Blackwater?? Christ, the loss of sense of perspective that is sometimes portrayed on these forums is getting dumbfounding. Big Wall Street bankers and investors and Blackwater, those might with some imagination be considered on the same level, but if people start to compare game companies with such companies then they really have lost their way >.> |
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Zlayer77
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Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/10/12 1:13:53 PM#68
Originally posted by smh_alot EA owns or suports Funcom nowadays... dont rember if it was the same back in 2008 though.. so you might be right... But Im 100% sure the Secreat FAIL (World) will tank.. so then the trend keeps going... and about the Blackwater thing "Evil companies are Evil companies" even if their Evils are diffrent dont make any of them right.. |
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2/10/12 1:21:52 PM#69
Originally posted by Zlayer77Originally posted by smh_alot With a mentality like that, I seriously wonder why you still keep interested in MMO's, since you hardly seem to like them -_- I also wonder what will you do when TSW is successful and well received? Will you hate it and wish with all your heart that it'll fail simply bc that's what you want most, or will you be able to be happy for other MMO gamers that they have found a game that they can enjoy and have fun in. And again, get some dose of realism: there's a big fucking difference between corporations that REALLY practice evil deeds and borderline human rights violations and game companies. Read up on some real news. Companies not making the games you like is nowhere on that level, I don't even know where to begin to explain why not. |
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2/10/12 2:09:23 PM#70
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2/10/12 2:15:06 PM#71
Originally posted by Herodes I wonder if SW:TOR will have reached 3 million subscribers by June.
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2/10/12 2:17:59 PM#72
They don't own Funcom, they're publishing TSW - there's a difference. Just like they don't own 38 Studios, but are publishing Kingdom of Amalur. On the other hand, they do own BioWare and a bunch of other companies that they've absorbed. I honestly don't think that SWTOR is the reason Brown is leaving, with ME3 coming up in March, EA have another guaranteed cross-platform mega-seller in the wings. Too early to tell with SWTOR, the standard is that 90 days is the benchmark for true retention/churn numbers. And SWTORs 90 day numbers will be around the time ME3 releases, which is undeniably convenient, if nothing else. |
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Zlayer77
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/10/12 2:25:19 PM#73
Originally posted by smh_alot IF the secreat world is a good... I will OFC agree to that it is.. Im not a blind hating fool.. I will still not play it Because of my stand against EA.. but I will not trash a good game Its not my style. Secreat world has a lot of potential but going by Funcom's spoty trackrecord I hold little hope for this title. I would not be trashing on SWTOR if it was actually anny good or if it was FREE to PLAY.. but lets face facts here SWTOR is a mediocre game at best and not worht the money to buy and subscribe 2... Unless your standards are really low... And I still play MMOS... EvE for one.. and I play free to play theamparks from time to time.. Latest is STO.. we had us a discission over there also, and some people on these boards opened my Eyes to cryptics Bad ways.. I change my mind if people can prove and show facts that suport their claims... |
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2/10/12 3:52:19 PM#74
When aoc began to flop funcom's CFO quit. History is repeating. |
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Ghost12
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2/11/12 3:09:02 AM#75
Originally posted by smh_alot
Lol Smh, I gotta hand it to ya, you're one hell of a forum warrior, you've been battling throughout the entire thread. The sad truth is, most of the evidence points to investors being unhappy of the performance of the game. EA put loads into this project. Its obvious. They expected a big return and even though TOR is #2, its a very weak #2....no matter how you spin it. And this is coming from someone with no bias, I love BioWare. But if you think things are all rays of sunshine in the BioWare/EA camp....think again. Cause it aint. |
