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  Serenes

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2/10/12 3:26:46 PM#141
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by Serenes
Originally posted by Hycoo

Because Valve wants people to directly assoiacte the too so they have a advantage on the market. Its bussiness I don't blame them for that. People want to play DoTA because they played Dota first.

 

People duluded by IceFrog made DOTA no he did not. Dota was made by Eul, who based it off Aeon of Strife from SC1 (A Blizzard Creation), then he never updated so Steve Feak took up the project for about 2 years then he left to start production of League of Legends. So IceFrog started to update the map, the ground work was already all laid out for him, he just improved mechnics, thats like saying the new team on WoW deserves all the credit for WoW because they are updating it now.

I know Icefrog didn't make Dota. But if there is anyone out there that deserves to use the trademark its him. This is ofcourse from a dota player point of view and not a suit point of view.

Why exactly does he deserve it more? As far as I can see he never added any new mechnics too the game just improved upon ones that already exsisted, he failed to have one original idea.

Well he did have the idea to make um... DOTA 2.

Original how? Cause its justa clone of DoTA 1.

  Hycoo

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2/10/12 3:31:59 PM#142
Originally posted by Serenes
Originally posted by Hycoo

Because Valve wants people to directly assoiacte the too so they have a advantage on the market. Its bussiness I don't blame them for that. People want to play DoTA because they played Dota first.

 

People duluded by IceFrog made DOTA no he did not. Dota was made by Eul, who based it off Aeon of Strife from SC1 (A Blizzard Creation), then he never updated so Steve Feak took up the project for about 2 years then he left to start production of League of Legends. So IceFrog started to update the map, the ground work was already all laid out for him, he just improved mechnics, thats like saying the new team on WoW deserves all the credit for WoW because they are updating it now.

I know Icefrog didn't make Dota. But if there is anyone out there that deserves to use the trademark its him. This is ofcourse from a dota player point of view and not a suit point of view.

Why exactly does he deserve it more? As far as I can see he never added any new mechnics too the game just improved upon ones that already exsisted, he failed to have one original idea.

Because of the work he has put down over so many years for free for the community. I dont know what you would call mechanics, but introducing a vast amount of heroes, items, map changes etc. and balancing all these is a big deal. Blizzard provided the bricks, all kudos to them, but dota is a result of the work and enjoyment of the community. To secure the future of the game and the name i would rather have it given to a freetime modder than a Blizzard. As a long time dota player i want dota to be dota... guess that doesnt make sense, but if Blizzard gets to use the trademark dota isnt dota anymore.

  Tyroki

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2/10/12 3:33:23 PM#143

This just shows how pathetic Blizzard have become.

They aren't the old company I knew and loved. They have no claim to the name of DoTA. They may have claim to the ASSETS used in the original DoTA, but DoTA itself is not theirs.

Valve have this one easily.

Besides. DoTA2 looks better than 'Blizzard DoTA'

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  Sevensodd

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2/10/12 3:35:48 PM#144

LOL holy shit, as if Blizzard isn't rich enough already, they have to go and sue valve?  

  IceAge

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2/10/12 3:36:08 PM#145

Originally posted by Clocksimus


Originally posted by IceAge




So you do say that DOTA 2 is a copy/paste from DOTA 1 , which was created ONLY because W3 exists, which people will associate it with Blizzard. Not going to judge DOTA 2 for what it is , I am going to judge Valve for trying to profit from the DOTA name. A simple question, why they just can't name it Valve Dota, XXX Dota or anyother name like the 2nd creator of DOTA created LoL ?



Because LoL is not DOTA in any way  at all.  They are both  MOBA's and thats about it.  There are countless differences between LoL and DOTA , however, DOTA to DOTA2 is what you'd exspect from a sequel to a game with improved systems and visuals while retaining the feel of the original you loved.



 




Oh, so you are talking about a sequel which is only possible because the first DOTA was created only with the help of W3 and Blizzard. Again, I am not against DOTA 2 game play, mechanism and such! I am against the name. Do what Blizzard did. Leave DOTA name to community! Simple as that!


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  IceAge

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2/10/12 3:40:53 PM#146

Originally posted by Tyroki

This just shows how pathetic Blizzard have become.


They aren't the old company I knew and loved. They have no claim to the name of DoTA. They may have claim to the ASSETS used in the original DoTA, but DoTA itself is not theirs.


Valve have this one easily.


Besides. DoTA2 looks better than 'Blizzard DoTA'



 


You are the only patethic here! Blizzard does not want to register the name of DOTA! They want to stop Valve registering DOTA name. Blizzards want the name DOTA to be used freely , without any trademarks/copyrights/etc issues over someone who uses the name, while Valve is trying to make the opposite. If till now you could create Tyroki DOTA, a browser game ( just an exemple ) , you couldn't do this anymore ( In case Valve will win ). Got it?


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  nilden

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2/10/12 3:51:00 PM#147
Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by Tyroki

This just shows how pathetic Blizzard have become.


They aren't the old company I knew and loved. They have no claim to the name of DoTA. They may have claim to the ASSETS used in the original DoTA, but DoTA itself is not theirs.


Valve have this one easily.


Besides. DoTA2 looks better than 'Blizzard DoTA'



 

You are the only patethic here! Blizzard does not want to register the name of DOTA! They want to stop Valve registering DOTA name. Blizzards want the name DOTA to be used freely , without any trademarks/copyrights/etc issues over someone who uses the name, while Valve is trying to make the opposite. If till now you could create Tyroki DOTA, a browser game ( just an exemple ) , you couldn't do this anymore ( In case Valve will win ). Got it?

"Blizzard's Rights In And To The DotA Marks
15. Since at least 2004, members of the public have come to associate and
identify the marks "Defense of the Ancients," "DotA," "DOTA," and "Dota" (the
"DOTA Marks") with Blizzard and its interactive computer game products, including
Warcraft III. Blizzard's rights in and to the DotA Marks result from a number of factors,
including but not limited to the following:"

Taken right from the document linked on the first page. Seems like they want rights to me. Go read it.

 

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  Deewe

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2/10/12 3:52:29 PM#148
Originally posted by nilden

Activision Blizzard is a far cry from the good guy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252

 

Epic.

  Aori

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2/10/12 3:54:50 PM#149

Well blizzard owns everything and anything created using their editors, its in their eula. So the creators have 0 claim to anything. They are just prevent anyone from claiming the trademark, blizzard has its own dota but made it distinct from the fan versions.

  Hycoo

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2/10/12 3:55:58 PM#150
Originally posted by Aori

Well blizzard owns everything and anything created using their editors, its in their eula. So the creators have 0 claim to anything. They are just prevent anyone from claiming the trademark, blizzard has its own dota but made it distinct from the fan versions.

Blizzard doesnt have its own dota, it has its own moba!

  IceAge

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Posts: 997

2/10/12 4:02:43 PM#151



Originally posted by nilden






Originally posted by IceAge












Originally posted by Tyroki









This just shows how pathetic Blizzard have become.








They aren't the old company I knew and loved. They have no claim to the name of DoTA. They may have claim to the ASSETS used in the original DoTA, but DoTA itself is not theirs.








Valve have this one easily.








Besides. DoTA2 looks better than 'Blizzard DoTA'















 








You are the only patethic here! Blizzard does not want to register the name of DOTA! They want to stop Valve registering DOTA name. Blizzards want the name DOTA to be used freely , without any trademarks/copyrights/etc issues over someone who uses the name, while Valve is trying to make the opposite. If till now you could create Tyroki DOTA, a browser game ( just an exemple ) , you couldn't do this anymore ( In case Valve will win ). Got it?





"Blizzard's Rights In And To The DotA Marks



15. Since at least 2004, members of the public have come to associate and



identify the marks "Defense of the Ancients," "DotA," "DOTA," and "Dota" (the



"DOTA Marks") with Blizzard and its interactive computer game products, including



Warcraft III. Blizzard's rights in and to the DotA Marks result from a number of factors,



including but not limited to the following:"




Taken right from the document linked on the first page. Seems like they want rights to me. Go read it.




 







 




Erm, they never said they want DOTA to be registered under the Blizzard company! They are talking about who has the most rights for the DOTA name. And yes, Blizzard has the most rights to use the name, but even so , they didn't tried to registered it! Well, this untill Valve jumped in and if Valve does not win, I hope Blizzard will take it. Years of promoting and supporting DOTA does not give them any rights? And now someone else come and take the already known name and start making use of it just to make a big profit because of Blizzard? Wouldn't you be mad if you would promote a *1)free service for the paste 7 years and then someone comes and take it?




1) Free service subject to W3 and Blizzard policy. You can play DOTA mod for free if you own a W3 game copy.




True, Blizzard did won money with DOTA , but so did the creator!  DOTA has a name associated with W3 Blizzard and that's saying alot. Give me an already promoted mod/game/name by Blizzard, and I will win alot of cash. Who wouldn't? But it is fair?


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  Aori

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2/10/12 4:05:11 PM#152
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by nilden

Activision Blizzard is a far cry from the good guy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252

 

Epic.

It is more of kotick being a douche than anything, though quite honestly you can't be a good guy when you're at that level in a company of that size and power. You show any weakness you'll usually be removed.. happens often.

  Aori

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2/10/12 4:08:06 PM#153
Originally posted by Hycoo
Originally posted by Aori

Well blizzard owns everything and anything created using their editors, its in their eula. So the creators have 0 claim to anything. They are just prevent anyone from claiming the trademark, blizzard has its own dota but made it distinct from the fan versions.

Blizzard doesnt have its own dota, it has its own moba!

Except it does.. its called blizzard DOTA. If it was blizzard ATOD then ya sure you'd been somewhat right in trying to correct me.. i wasn't speaking of the genre itself.

  AutemOx

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2/10/12 4:08:42 PM#154
Originally posted by b00gs

You are all forgetting the Sony/Verant case about the songs/names the bards were making up while role playing in EQ1.  It does NOT MATTER who created the mod and/or name.  Once you associate it with the licensed product the products owner has the ownership rights to said name, lyrics, code, ect associated with whatever was created by an outside source and brought into the gaming world.

The bard player in question attempted to sue sony for stealing his songs and names, he lost.  The same applies to any mod name, mod codes, and character names.  Any idea's shared amongst the player community.  Once it is used within the gaming client it can/does become the sole property of the game publisher.

This.

Blizzard owns DOTA, they have been very kind to allow for DOTA2 to exist at all, we should be thankful for that.

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  Hycoo

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2/10/12 4:14:52 PM#155
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Hycoo
Originally posted by Aori

Well blizzard owns everything and anything created using their editors, its in their eula. So the creators have 0 claim to anything. They are just prevent anyone from claiming the trademark, blizzard has its own dota but made it distinct from the fan versions.

Blizzard doesnt have its own dota, it has its own moba!

Except it does.. its called blizzard DOTA. If it was blizzard ATOD then ya sure you'd been somewhat right in trying to correct me.. i wasn't speaking of the genre itself.

I know Blizzard is making its own ''Blizzard Dota'', but it is as similiar to the original dota as LoL is to the same game. Dota 2 (Valve) is a continuation of the original dota game, while Blizzard Dota is gonna be a different game.

EDIT: This is why i want Icefrog, and therefor Valve, to be able to use the Dota name. As would any dota player that wants to continue to play the game in the future.

  squalleonaha

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2/10/12 4:23:45 PM#156

valve is greedy when trying to take DOTA for themself. i'm on blizzard side this time. DOTA is simply a mod/copy of warcraft 3. you can deny it all you want but 90% of everything in DOTA is identical to WC3. games might have some point similar, but not 90% similar.




if this is allowed, then maybe i'll start making private server of all great MMORPG games and name them differently to make them MY OWN GAME. could be Defend of Warcraft ,  Defend of The Old Republic, Defend of Rift , Defend of .....Quest 2. some of my friends in china really good at this.











 




 

  Cikbik

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2/10/12 5:02:44 PM#157

cant the maker of the dota mod just rename the warcraft 3 dota mod to something different, so there wouldnt be any trademark infringment, cant sue for dota 2 if dota1 isnt named dota....


  Requiamer

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2/10/12 5:05:33 PM#158

HAHA, are those guys at Blizzard kidding or what? Dota is a genre by itself, at least a sub genre of RTS, and is definitely not attached to Blizzard in anyway. First it was a mod, but was so different than an rts game it gain his own reputation as a genre... It would be as if RG tomorrow decide all the mmo belong to him, that would be ridiculous. And if i'm not wrong the guys that invented the mod work for valve now, and never worked for Blizzard to begin with since it was player made mode. Sometime you really wish the law could turn against the people using it in such an abusive manner, just to make people understand law is not made to offend people but defend them.
 
Dota genre belong to Blizzard? that must be one of the most absurd claim made in video games since like ever?

  Valua

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2/10/12 5:17:18 PM#159

Valve is stupid if they didn't think this would happen.

 

Next we'll see Valve creating an MMO called "World of Portalcraft."

 

Big companies are usually smart enough to avoid even risking copy right infringement.

  wrekognize

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2/10/12 5:22:03 PM#160
Originally posted by nyxium

Sad to see Blizz taking the IP route, don't they feel they make enough money? Very hard for me to feel any sympathy for them. Muscle flexing that turns into bullying might put people off from buying their brand's, I hope they feel strong enough for their rep to take a hit like that.

Totally agree.

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