NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

I dont need to give up hope, I already have it - Vanguard.

The thing missing from Vanguard is players, not game quality or depth.

Originally posted by Adamantine

I dont need to give up hope, I already have it - Vanguard.

The thing missing from Vanguard is players, not game quality or depth.

Yep :(

I'd be playing Vanguard right now if it was full of players like it was at launch.

Originally posted by Zekiah

NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

Best. Movie. EVER.

Originally posted by Zekiah

NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

Lol, perfect. This is exactly what I thought...

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

Originally posted by Zekiah

NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

Best. Movie. EVER.

Um ... compared to "The Matrix" or "Sin City" or "Lilya 4-ver" or "The fifth Element" or ... ?

Not really. But "Galaxy Quest" can be named in one sentence with any of those and definitely belongs into my top 10 of movies.

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

Originally posted by xBlackBoxX

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As if SWTOR doesn't have depth WAT ARE U SMOKING???

SWTOR has all the depth u want for: story, pvpz, skillz, character building, wat more do u want???

Here is a hint: stop whining and play the game!!!

If they so simple, then why don't u own at them??

 

You must be a noob.

Everything you have mentioned above is done in a very similar way in all themepark MMOs.

And if you haven't noticed the repeat PvE in SWTOR in 95% of encounters, you must have a rubbish memory.

As a previous poster said, Eve Online is really the Valhalla of MMORPGs because it is deep and it's PvP (unpredicatable humans).

However, it's not perfect. Instant gratification in Eve doesn't happen every time you log in.

 

I wish it wasn't set in space.. I can't stand having a spaceship as avatar.

Eve rules and features set in a Scifi ground setting now that would almost be the ultimate mmorpg.

Add FPS shooting and it would be the near perfect game.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

Originally posted by Zekiah

NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!

Best. Movie. EVER.

Um ... compared to "The Matrix" or "Sin City" or "Lilya 4-ver" or "The fifth Element" or ... ?

Not really. But "Galaxy Quest" can be named in one sentence with any of those and definitely belongs into my top 10 of movies.

Uh...  I wouldn't include ANY of those in my top 10.

The Matrix and Fifth Element were pretty amazing, but even so, top 10? There are a looooooooooot of movies that put those to shame :P

It's also just a joke from the Simpsons from Comic Book Guy. Everything is the "Worst. Something. Ever." lol.

You listed good movies or great movies, but I am not impressed!

For Bruce Willis movies I'd definitely go with Unbreakable over Fifth Element.

All I know is I will NEVER enjoy Sixth Sense because my friend in jr.high told me the ending before i Ever watched it. It's the only movie I literally can never watch :(

Originally posted by thekid1

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

Originally posted by xBlackBoxX

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As if SWTOR doesn't have depth WAT ARE U SMOKING???

SWTOR has all the depth u want for: story, pvpz, skillz, character building, wat more do u want???

Here is a hint: stop whining and play the game!!!

If they so simple, then why don't u own at them??

 

You must be a noob.

Everything you have mentioned above is done in a very similar way in all themepark MMOs.

And if you haven't noticed the repeat PvE in SWTOR in 95% of encounters, you must have a rubbish memory.

As a previous poster said, Eve Online is really the Valhalla of MMORPGs because it is deep and it's PvP (unpredicatable humans).

However, it's not perfect. Instant gratification in Eve doesn't happen every time you log in.

 

I wish it wasn't set in space.. I can't stand having a spaceship as avatar.

Eve rules and features set in a Scifi ground setting now that would almost be the ultimate mmorpg.

Add FPS shooting and it would be the near perfect game.

Please keep your FPS shooting out of my MMORPG's.

If I wanted FPS shooting, I'd play a FPS game... which I do.

I'd much rather have a MMOFPS and a SEPARATE MMORPG than to have a MMORPG with FPS shooting.

Unless it's a Cyberpunk MMORPG called Neocron. Then you can have your FPS shooting in MMORPG :P

I loved Neocron...*sigh*...

Hmmm... here is  a list of games coming out soon that seem to me to have depth:

1. ArcheAge

2. Dominus

3. World of Darkness

4. The Repopulation

5. Origins of Malu

Don't give up hope just yet.  That's just a handful of games that I queried that have more depth than the average current MMO.  There may even be more in games like TSW, GW2, WildStar, Pathfinder Online, Neverwinter, etc.  

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by k-damage

I'm happy to read more and more players understanding the fact that what makes a real change in MMOs are the mechanics, not the features.

Before a few monthes ago, I couldn't see any real forum member emphasizing on their importance (whatever forum it was), and the majority just glorified the features (real time combat, dialogs, events, or even just better graphics).

I keep writing that over my posts but, really, MMOs are 90% of combat in their current technology. So 90% of them is revolving around mechanics, especially since we're signing to execute those combats litterally for monthes (years ?).

Iv been talking about changing mechanics for years now.. So its not new. I just think more people are catching up to us Vets.. Meaning they have been there and done that. Those people that got into the genre later then us are also begnining to get jaded and tired of the same old Mechanics the genre have been using for years now..

Evolution is at the core of human existance, stagnation leads to decay. If you dont evolve you die.. its the basics of evrything on this planet.... To bad mossy high payed development studios dont understand this..

What is the change in combat mechanics you are looking for?  TERA-like action oriented combat?  MMOFPS, like Firefall?  The combat mechanics of MMORPGs are almost a part of what makes a game fit into the MMORPG genre now.  Essentially target something, click or use a hot-key to activate a skill.  What can be done to evolve this?  Really... I'm not saying I disagree, I just don't know how you'd change it and retain an MMORPG.

Just added an update to my thread in the dev corner. Essentially I have gotten all the licenses for game engine crap down and gotten through the documentation for said programs. Am starting to work out the game engine to support my game. Gonna take a really long time, although having really easily integratable low level graphics/physics/etc. stuff is gonna help as opposed to writing my own shit.

Of course I am working alone and only about 8 hours a day cause I have school also to deal with. Not that I can learn anything useful there but whiny parents want me to get a degree.

You guys might be able to play my game I've been talking about in alpha version summer of next year. Poor graphics though. I can always update them later when the important part, the game, is done.

Originally posted by blondeh

I gave up years ago. Thats prolly why I can stomach games lik WoW, SWTOR, Rift etc. 

I'm about there as well.  Although I couldn't stomach Rift for a multitude of reasons.  I do resubscribe to EQ every now and then in order to see some depth (even with the changes in recent years).

The non old school MMO gamers out number us and the gaming companies are listening to them, it does appear that our time has passed.  Diablo style MMO's are going to be the future...ugh.

Games like WOW and SWTOR are what drives investors to put money toward a production type. As long as these games are cash cows, we will continue to see them.

It's like the Horse and Buggy industry went around and bought up all the small companies making this new thing called an automobile, and quickly threw a horse back in front of it. Just because it was  more profitable and less risky. This is one of my main reasons in hoping that WOW and SWTOR become finacially strained. Ten years ago we saw games that had great potential but the limited computing power was the main reason they couldn't become something special. Now today, we have an industry that does everything in its power to limit the game and only push the graphics power a computer has.

You can't tell me that a world cannot be made that would be virtually endless in scope. In 2001, playing on a 33k dialup connection and a PC 1/100th the speed and memory of my PC now, I was playing with friends in large scale worlds. Games like IL-2 and Operation Flashpoint. Yet today these games are limited in scale. The industry has not kept up with the tech, and sadly I blame WOW and its many clone attempts for a lot of it.

Rather than build a large-scale model railway; they instead have opted to keep making the model train and painting it different colours each year: Now with Steam! Choo-Choo!

"Whats it do?"
"You can move it around and stuff, looks cool doesn't it?"
"Don't i have a track or controls and stuff too?"
"People don't want that, play with the f'ing train will you, it's got Thomas the Tank Engine on it!"

Originally posted by blondeh

I gave up years ago. Thats prolly why I can stomach games lik WoW, SWTOR, Rift etc. 

      Pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

Originally posted by reignjuste

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

 

Today, I truly feel is the proper time to finally give up ALL hope for anything even close to a real MMO ever releasing again. UO, EQ, DAoC-- these are dead dreams. The only hope I have that remains will be the tiny glint in the eye of a small indie dev team or person who works on cracking older MMO's to update them (Everquest remake?). Perhaps a restoration of faith if Darkfall 2.0 server wipe ever comes to pass (and even then, Darkfall isn't anything special at all...just a PvP game...) and if I see early signs of Everquest 3 being an Everquest 1 remake.

Yea I know, these dreams ACTUALLY died a loooong time ago with the release of awful expansions which severely altered the old games, but today I finally lay it to rest. There is no hope for the future: only corporate profit.

Time to hit myself in the brain with a shovel repeatedly until I become the LCD, so I can play this vomit.

 

For the last decade I've held on to hope that someone somewhere would release a sandbox MMO like UO, or a big huge sandbox PvE world like Everquest. (I know many of you believe EQ1 is a themepark, but it had few quests originally but a massive world to explore. It was a sandbox for many of us.) At the very least, a MMO that isn't ez-mode. Sadly, this hope is now gone. What little I had left the past few years has dried up.

I honestly don't think it's ever going to happen now. The idea of a DAoC 2, UO 2, Everquest 1 remake (Vanguard fail?): these things are something that simply won't happen. Ever. It's nothing the Tera video did, but the simple fact...it was so boring I almost died watching it. My hope is gone now, entirely... it just won't happen. The best we can hope for is Vanguard and Darkfall...which is sad :(

Soo u will realise to trust only blizzard products.

All others just simply exist to make our life bad.

I cannot trust Blizzard anymore after seeing the travesty they called "Starcraft 2". It was NOTHING, and looked nothing, like Starcraft 1. Not to mention the MASSIVE bleedover from WoW in terms of artstyle (overly massive muscles + overly massive shoulderpads anyone?).

Let's not forget the horrible incarnation of the Diablo franchise they're trying to pass off as Diablo #3. Aboslutely nothing like Diablo 2, with heavy WoW undertones throughout it, and now they've tacked on an RMT auction house to REALLY rake in the money whilst ruining the experience for their players. No, Thank, You!

Blizzard is dead, and will not be trusted any longer.

Originally posted by dazedconfuse
Vanguard. But you have to bring three people with you ;)

Why 3? Why do you need a party of 4?

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

 

Today, I truly feel is the proper time to finally give up ALL hope for anything even close to a real MMO ever releasing again. UO, EQ, DAoC-- these are dead dreams. The only hope I have that remains will be the tiny glint in the eye of a small indie dev team or person who works on cracking older MMO's to update them (Everquest remake?). Perhaps a restoration of faith if Darkfall 2.0 server wipe ever comes to pass (and even then, Darkfall isn't anything special at all...just a PvP game...) and if I see early signs of Everquest 3 being an Everquest 1 remake.

Yea I know, these dreams ACTUALLY died a loooong time ago with the release of awful expansions which severely altered the old games, but today I finally lay it to rest. There is no hope for the future: only corporate profit.

Time to hit myself in the brain with a shovel repeatedly until I become the LCD, so I can play this vomit.

 

For the last decade I've held on to hope that someone somewhere would release a sandbox MMO like UO, or a big huge sandbox PvE world like Everquest. (I know many of you believe EQ1 is a themepark, but it had few quests originally but a massive world to explore. It was a sandbox for many of us.) At the very least, a MMO that isn't ez-mode. Sadly, this hope is now gone. What little I had left the past few years has dried up.

I honestly don't think it's ever going to happen now. The idea of a DAoC 2, UO 2, Everquest 1 remake (Vanguard fail?): these things are something that simply won't happen. Ever. It's nothing the Tera video did, but the simple fact...it was so boring I almost died watching it. My hope is gone now, entirely... it just won't happen. The best we can hope for is Vanguard and Darkfall...which is sad :(

What I really really don't get is why you only respond to the negative replies and actually don't seek help for your cause.  There are people like Master10k who come and post things that would fit your pleas and they go ignored.  If you want DAoC 2, look no further than GW2.