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It will never happen, but let's say Blizzard decides to throw the sandbox lovers a bone by making a separate WoW sandbox, based on the current game. But, they want to spend the minimal amount of money in doing so. That means the art will stay the same cartoony way it is now. Also, it may not be the ultimate sandbox as per some of your definitions of it, but at least it won't be a themepark that keeps you on rails. What are the absolute minimal changes they need to make to the game? Some changes I can think of immediately: 1.) Remove all quests 2.) Remove all classes by letting you wear/wield whatever you want and increase skill levels when item is used 3.) Remove levels, rather used skill levels as above. Maybe cap the skill levels 4.) Remove all talents 5.) Develop complex crafting system like those found in UO or EQ 6.) Do they need to remove instances completely, or can a sandbox exist with them as is. Even BGs? 7.) Introduce world bosses
I know not all changes I listed here makes a game a sandbox, but at least there will be no hand-holding and you can go and do whatever you want. What needs to be removed or added from/to the list as absolute minimum changes they have to make to WoW to make it appeal to sandboxers?
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2/09/12 6:39:49 AM#2
if thats a sandbox, than I will pass. sounds boring.
all you did was increase the grind, while removing features. then you call that a sandbox.... |
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2/09/12 6:47:12 AM#3
I don't understand why people would want quests removed. I'd say remove quests as the primary driving force of advancement, but even UO had quests. They were simple things (rumors, escorts, events), but it was the grandaddy of MMOs. SWG had tons of quests. http://www.therepopulation.com - Scfi Fi Sandbox. |
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Zlayer77
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Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/09/12 6:54:19 AM#4
Blizzard is very smart, dont think they arnt following whats happening in the Industry.. First off Blizzard will never make another MMO that playes like WoW.. Why compeat against yourself... Second it would not surprice me one bit if their next big MMO is some sort of Theampark/Sandbox hybrid.. And when it comes out it has perfected both Genres making it the Perfect MMO. The other dumb F.U.C.Ks in the industry wil be sitting there with there heads spinning not know what happend... Then they will spend the next decade trying to copy Blizzard again.. and we will once again get bored of the Theampark/sanbox hybrid.. and around the Year 2022 we will once again be at this junktion, bored and tired, with a string of failed A+ titles from EA/BIO/MYth etc etc.. And Blizzard will make there 3rd MMO and it changes the genre once again... As mentioned before I have a very High Respect for Blizzard they know how to make games and they know how to make them fun and they dont push something out the door, they wait untill its done... Diablo III, I think it will be a massive hit because Blizzard dident rush it, they dont have 2.. |
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2/09/12 7:03:09 AM#5
Originally posted by Zlayer77 I am almost completely sure that Blizzard will not make a themebox or a sandpark. What they will make is a Facebook MMO. As in an MMO that will tap the Facebook crowd. Because thats where the money is and fresh subscriptions. |
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Zlayer77
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/09/12 7:12:11 AM#6
Originally posted by AdamTM You might be right the only thing we can be sure about is that it will be smash hit.. Because they know what people want... |
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2/09/12 7:20:55 AM#7
Titan will have sandbox elements, I can guarantee that
Not a full-blown sandbox, but defintely elements. Blizzard is going to be a trendsetter all over again |
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2/09/12 7:26:53 AM#8
Originally posted by 77lolmac77 SOoooo, you mean like Wildstar http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/?
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2/09/12 7:33:25 AM#9
They made a game that would run on anything. We forget that many many many gamers do not have a 'BOMB' game comp. Many of my friends have lamented that game X is 'better' but they simply cannot play it at acceptable settings and FPS. I also would tend to argue that WoW wasn't what the MMO community wanted. I argue this because WoW filled it's sub roles with new non-mmo players. |
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2/09/12 7:40:38 AM#10
Originally posted by Zlayer77
SO for upcoming innovation lets see what blizzard has in store that everyone is talking about shall we. RMAH for D3. ok............... How bout WoW upcoming expac then. Hrmm pandas with NO AUTO attack gee..thats innovative oh and pokemon' battles. Lol. How bout SC2.. oh yeah they are still working on the 2/3 of that one. Ok. Titan you say then.. yeah the one no one knows anything about BUT IT WILL BE KILLAR. D3 being good?... Sure it will Great if what you are looking for is a fantasy themed RMAH and social metric gathering program. Otherwise it looks like warcraft with an isometric view and even simpler gameplay.
Blizzard is the new McDonalds. Yeah they make alot of money but if you want real food you go elsewhere. All my opinion so if you don't like ...to damn bad. Fuck blizzard. |
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2/09/12 7:43:25 AM#11
Originally posted by 77lolmac77
and cut profit? no gonna happen dude, just look to start craft2 and diablo 3 what they are trying to pull off, and most of you say it ok to be raped.
so yeah blizzard will not make a sandbox MMO, blizzard don't care about games anymore just of how much they can milk from then, and like the dude before me said if you want the real thing go to somewhere else nothing here anymore FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money. |
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2/09/12 7:55:19 AM#12
Originally posted by tuppe99 Lack of content does not make a game a sandbox.. I would: 1) make the world map changable through digging, terraforming, etc. Players would be able to dig moats, dig rivers, tunnels, etc. 2) Enable construction around the world. Player cities, fortresses, houses, etc. 3) Control points that if held by a faction yields gold/faction/etc per hour. Can be defended with fortifactions etc. 4) construction of bridges around the world that are also destructible 5) Removal of instances 6) More complex crafting recipes that require rare crafting materials. Less dropped loot and more ephasis on crafting 7) some form of unlimited skill progression that has an exponential curve. At the higher end gains are small and extremely slow 8) Some form of player looting (just carried loot, not equipped gear) 9) Player run politics. NPCs would take a backseat and players would get a run for power 10) enable players in power to create quests for other players of their faction. 11) Permanent item decay. This creates a market for crafting. 12) removal of auction house. Players can setup shops, hire NPCs to run their shops. |
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2/09/12 7:58:10 AM#13
Originally posted by AdamTM so Titan is a facebook game? where and when did this rumor come from? |
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2/09/12 8:01:29 AM#14
I don't think Blizzard will make a sanbox game of any kind. They will however continue to produce excellent games that appeal to as many people as possible. So expect some sandbox elements at best, nothing more. |
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2/09/12 8:02:41 AM#15
Originally posted by MMOExposed Dear god do you need reading lessons 101. |
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Zlayer77
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/19/09
Start worrying about other players in a game and dont just play |
2/09/12 8:17:16 AM#16
Originally posted by 69Cuda for your information I dont play anny Blizzard game at the moment. Dosent change the fact that I am a Realist. I respect Blizzards aproche when they make games. Not releasing untill they are done. Dosent mean Im their core audiance though. But I would feel stupid not recognizing the impact they have had on this genre.. There are a few other companies I respect CCP being one of them and the other is RIOT games with there MOBA league of legends. I also Repsect Bethesda and Rockstar both good developers. You can respect others even if you dont play the games they make because they dont cater to your play style... There are others that I feel are on the lower end of the spectrum.. Lionhead studio(fable series) EA and all the studios they have bought and sabotaged FUNCOM/DICE/BIOWARE and mythic are examples.. of great studios that fell apart after EA suits got their hands on them... |
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2/09/12 8:29:16 AM#17
Originally posted by AdamTM maybe so. I still dont understand where the facebook rumor comes from. care to explain? |
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2/09/12 10:08:37 AM#18
The biggest problem with WoW is that the combat is boring, and it's a game almost entirely about combat. If that isn't fixed, then everything else is just minor tinkering around the edges that doesn't matter. |
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Zekiah
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/06/07
Hype (noun) |
2/09/12 10:12:19 AM#19
I wouldn't trust Blizzard with a sandbox. I'm having a hard time trusting them with anything these days whether it be their Facebook fetish or WoWablo. Developers need to pull their collective heads out, it's getting ridiculous. "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
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2/09/12 10:13:42 AM#20
Originally posted by 69Cuda Aaaaand, the hater. McDonalds...where have I heard that before... That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming! |
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