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I built a new comp for myself in january and I used a lot of the post from here and got some great advice. My new computer runs great but my son is now very jealous and doesnt want to play my old one( which Im really not surprised.) Anyway me and sergeant major wifey decided to spend some money and build him a new comp as well. This time my budget is a lot smaller was hoping to get something that could run most new games for around 700$ thats not counting anything elses but the system. Any suggestions on what to get ? Figured I would go amd instead of intel this time but im more then open to advice. THanks in advance for any help |
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2/07/12 5:48:58 PM#2
I will throw together an idea or two. Someone else maybe able to do better. But I am bored lol. I assume you have Monitor, Mouse, KB ect? maybe an OS liscence already?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148541 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161384 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130591 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154109 www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236 $631.91 after $30 in mail in rebates. I think I hit everything. Windows 7 OS included. May not be too much of a beast but It should be a decent gaming rig with room to grow. Hopefully quizzical will stop in and give you some ideas. His advice is always a welcome addition =) Thats a cheap but functional case and no aftermarket cpu cooling. If you have $700 to spend maybe drop a few $ on cpu cooling and maybe a better case. Tho that case should do the trick i would imagine unless you plan on multi GPU, OC, ect where you may need better airflow. Anyways just an idea for a build. i am no expert but I have built my own for goin on 8+ years now. And havent fried one yet =) ( knocks on wood ) =) Good luck
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2/07/12 6:08:21 PM#3
Originally posted by jdnewell Some decent picks there, but there are some problems. First, you're missing a processor. You linked the optical drive twice, so I'm guessing that one of those was meant to be the processor. Next, the case doesn't have any fans. Spending $30 on a case might seem like a bargain, but once you add $20 in fans, you end up spending $50 on a really low end case. $50 should get you something nicer than that. Anyway, I'll come up with something shortly. |
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2/07/12 6:17:56 PM#4
Doh didnt notice i forgot to link the processor. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103940 Thats the one I had picked out. Missed the case not having any fans either =/. Guess thats the reason for it being cheap. just something I threw together in a couple of minutes for him. Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147060 CPU Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103075 With the items I linked above ( new case, linked the processor and a cpu fan) Total $688 with $30 mail in rebates= $658 after rebates.
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2/07/12 6:41:53 PM#5
Here you go: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.817142 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147144 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.827833 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389 That comes to $696, including shipping and before rebates. Do realize that the power supply has both a promo code and a mail-in rebate. |
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2/07/12 6:42:40 PM#6
Originally posted by jdnewell That processor doesn't come with a heatsink, and by the time you add one, it's not a good deal anymore. |
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2/07/12 6:46:21 PM#7
Originally posted by Quizzical Yeah I saw that, but it was the cheapest am3 I saw on newegg
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2/07/12 6:49:41 PM#8
Nice find on the Zambezi + Ram combo deal. I am gonna be building a new comp here soon. Wife finishes up school in a few months. Gonna hit you up Quizzical for some ideas then=)
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2/08/12 3:27:55 AM#9
If i was you I would reuse every part of the old machine i could ...which i do when I build my machines Reuse: Hard drive OS CD, DVD, Monitor, mouse, keyboard, Case, power supply, fans
Really when building a new system all you really need to replace is the Motherboard, CPU, Ram, and probably the vid card. Doing it this way will save a some money and you might be able to get a better vid card with the savings.
Or you could take the sergeant major wifey out for a nice dinner ...bet she would love that. Comp under budget and a fine meal to boot which she didn't have to cook. 790Gx chipset |
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2/08/12 10:11:06 PM#10
That motherboard is out of stock. I would get the 10 dollars more and is probably a better board.
If you must stay under 700 at all costs this is a good one. GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
If you can squeeze another 30 dollars into the build I would get XIGMATEK LOKI SD963 92mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler It would allow you to really push the FX clocks. Especially if you add another fan to it. And if you plan on upgrading the CPU in the future it will come in handy. |
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2/08/12 10:56:17 PM#11
Only the apu Re recommanded on amd side proc.so go intel .yes even i3 are better. stick to 1155 socket .gpu i wou get best dx 9 gpu.watch premade with theze will be cheaper.make sure mobo support pcie3
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2/08/12 11:41:12 PM#12
Originally posted by drbaltazar You are seriously deluded if you think I3 is better than FX-4100. FX 4100 beats I3 in just about every real world situation there is. I3 overclocks like crap, you's be lucky to hit 3.5ghz, FX can hit 4.5 fairly easy and has more cores. Go actually look at the benchmarks. Even on stock clocks I3 gets beat pretty badly. And why would you reccomend socket 1155? it's being phased out and is stuck at 4 cores. Take a look at SMT improvments for Win8 already 10% boost on WoW which is a pretty worst case scenario for SMT and gaming. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-23.html |
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2/09/12 12:10:47 AM#13
While I don't think the SMT improvements are pertinent, mainly because developers still haven't figured out how to effectively use 4 cores, I do agree that the FX is better than the i3. Intel keeps a premium price, even on their lower bin parts, and when you compare their performance - it doesn't keep up. The Windows 8 Tom's Hardware benchmarks don't really show much: Yes, the scheduling on a Bulldozer can be improved. Yes, you can see some real world benefit. Yes, the Core i5 is still considerably faster, even with the Bulldozer improvements, and still represents a great performance per dollar ratio. The top tier i5 represents the best that Intel has to offer: Better performance, and more importantly, as good performance per dollar as the AMD alternative. The i7's don't really offer this (as they present little to no real-world performance increase). Anything lower from Intel doesn't really offer this, as AMD is competitive with them in performance, and often for less money. The i3 just isn't really competitive. You pay $120 for a i3 2100, which is a dual core CPU (with hyperthreading), which is just competitive with the $110 FX-4100, a full quad core with a lot of overclock potential. |
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2/09/12 12:23:44 AM#14
Originally posted by drbaltazar You said quite a few things in those two lines, but all of them are wrong. 1) APUs aren't for gaming desktops. You want a discrete video card. 2) While a Sandy Bridge Core i3 will tend to beat an FX-4100 in single-threaded performance with both at stock speeds, it falls behind if you overclock (since the Core i3 can't be overclocked) or can use several cores. The processor itself is more expensive, and requires a more expensive motherboard unless you want a gimpy H61 or H67 motherboard that will cripple the higher end processors if you ever wanted to upgrade. 3) The industry moved to DirectX 10 way back in 2006, so DirectX 9.0c video cards are very old by now, and all but the low end is off the market. Even if you prioritize DirectX 9.0c performance, the video cards that are the best at it on a price/performance basis are DirectX 11 (or 11.1). 4) It will cost more for a prebuild computer than to build your own that is comparable. But you're correct that the premade is cheaper if you meant "cheap" in terms of quality, not price. 5) PCI Express 3.0 is irrelevant for gaming. The only motherboards that support it properly are Sandy Bridge-E, and way out of the price range of the original poster. (If you wanted a $2000 gaming computer, then maybe you think about Sandy Bridge-E. And then still decide against it.) |
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2/09/12 12:27:08 AM#15
I had Camden for year i switched to Intel i 5 2500 was it a good move.i should have went on the 2600.as for phazing out they ll sell 1155 socket for years its their best seller.the tx eerie i don't recommand for one reason too many if we do this and if that happen and if blizzard support fma4 etc.people want performance today.this is why i say go Intel.if you want an ame Prof then get an Apuleius you cant go wrong there.
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2/09/12 12:27:35 AM#16
Originally posted by grndzro LGA 1155 has about as much life left in it as Socket AM3+, which is the main alternative. LGA 1155 gets Ivy Bridge, AM3+ gets Vishera, and then after that, both are probably done. LGA 2011 probably won't last much longer than the alternatives, either. Moving to DDR4 will require new sockets for everything, anyway. And Socket FM1 doesn't have an upgrade path at all, as Trinity uses a different socket. |
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2/09/12 12:28:57 AM#17
Sorry silk keep correcting.get an apu. If amd is your thing
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2/09/12 12:46:52 AM#18
If anything Blizzard will cater to AMD since they already work together. Bulldozer already supports FMA4, and Piledriver will support FMA3. IMO AM3 has quite a bit more longevity than 1155 with Piledriver 8 cores and Win8 SMT around the corner. |
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2/09/12 12:55:19 AM#19
AMD's graphics division works with a lot of game companies (Nvidia does this, too), but their processor division really doesn't, other than to say, make your game engine scale to as many cores as you can. FMA4 support would be done at a compiler level, not specifically coded into the game by game designers. Video cards have supported FMA for a long time, so it's not obvious that games will get much benefit from having it on a processor. Graphical computations do use FMA very extensively, but that's done on the video card, not the processor. |
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2/09/12 11:55:28 AM#20
Fma 4 support at compiler level. ms got it about 8 month ago.intel does not. pretty much everything is optimised for intel cpu.sadly game or anything fma4 optimised will be on say titan by then everybody will have it if its best.but now performance king is intel.but some started using. cpu as a ffetcher and use the gpu as a processorand in this fashion amd would be so far ahead that most think its not possible its an error.in the end nobody know.even if they think they know
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