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2/07/12 2:45:06 PM#81
WoW, how times have changed, I PvP just to PvP for nothing just for the fun of fighting another player online, nowdays people only PvP if they are given something same with duels. I remembered a time when players just PvPed for the fun of PvP and dueled to try and improve themselves vs players and classes. It's a sad, sad day as thoses day are long gone: ( I Miss You "Asherson's Call 1 Darktide" server : ( tears of sadness |
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2/07/12 2:49:21 PM#82
Originally posted by Warjin +1 For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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Vesavius
 Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
2/07/12 2:50:44 PM#83
Originally posted by Kyleran
wow Kyl... you basically said you refuse them because you suck and the only fights you can win are cheap ganks... o.0 That being said, if you send me a blind duel without talking to me first and your just a random I don't know I can rarely be bothered to fight... If it's a guildie or friend though... always :D |
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2/07/12 3:10:24 PM#84
I guess I'll be the odd man out then and say that while I don't care for dueling often and hate duel spammers I certainly don't share those feelings mentioned by Tardcore. I actually read that and went, "Wow....really? I know it can be annoying but I certainly don't jump to anything remotely that severe or far in my opinion of those peeps." Honestly found it a bit disturbing someone could read that much into it. That and a bit stunned others share his sentiment. I mean...wow... 1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical. 2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself. 3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose. |
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Kyleran
 Bitter Vet™
Joined: 9/13/06
Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV |
2/07/12 3:16:08 PM#85
Originally posted by Vesavius Er yeah, actually that's exactly what I said. Play a game like EVE and you'll understand why there's no point to fight fair, that's for suckers. You fight to win, and if there's no way to win, you run and come back with friends. I realize with most MMO's the combat is pointless and there's no real penalty for loss, but on the same token there's no real reward for winning, so why bother with it, especially if you know you can't win. Now, if my guild needs me to help defend our turf, I'll turn out with the best of them, but I'll make sure to stay close to the folks I'm sure know what they are doing. "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt |
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2/07/12 3:16:27 PM#86
Originally posted by RedKatana They don't gain anything, either. |
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2/07/12 3:21:09 PM#87
Originally posted by Robsolf Yes you do...Practice : ) thats how I look at it at least. |
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Yamota
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Joined: 10/05/03
There's a beast within every man that stirs when you put a sword in his hand |
2/07/12 3:25:27 PM#88
Originally posted by spizz There is actually some truth to this provocative statement because if you like PvP then most likely you wont like SW:TORs PvP because it is probably the most underdeveloped one of any ThemePark short of those that dont actually have it like Final Fantasy and so on. I mean even Rift had more PvP content than what is in this game. So to answer the OP. People dont duel because the vast majority playing SW:TOR doesn't play it for the PvP and hence dont care about dueling.  |
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2/07/12 3:30:23 PM#89
Originally posted by nomss Mainly I decline because you were rude and just blindly sent a duel request. I also decline blind invites to guilds. I also decline blind invites to groups. See the trend? Send a duel request to everyone you see passing through town is both inane and very rude. If you want a duel ask in general. But be prepared to get peppered with Asshattery. Somewhere along the lines of the blind duel request.
( if you are the one person who actually asks first, sorry. But I bet you are not ) |
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2/07/12 3:59:00 PM#90
Originally posted by GetzMango
THIS. If someone sends me a random duel request, I ignore it. Chances are, that means I'm questing or I have something else I'd rather be doing. If I want to PvP, I'll go to a PvP area. Don't just randomly assume I'm going to drop what I'm doing and duel. |
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Tardcore
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Joined: 9/13/09
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post." |
2/07/12 5:19:21 PM#91
Originally posted by Warjin I whole heartledly agree, I miss thoise days as well.
HOWEVER, keep in mind that those were the days of some actual risk being involved that made any PVP thrilling. Now days its just watered down digital cowboys and indians. You know "Bang bang, lie down yer dead" for 20 seconds, then get right back into the fray, losing nothing. Which means winning also means nothing. The players haven't changed, the rules of the game have.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . " |
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2/07/12 5:27:26 PM#92
Originally posted by Tardcore I disagree completely, what I think has ruined PVP overall is the attempt to cater to those who want it to mean something more than a more challenging fight. Back in the day that's what the PVPers I knew played for, incentives and punishment didn't mean a damn thing. I died and I made sure I was back in the fight as soon as possible, even if it meant just popping a pixie and a buffing stim (basically unbuffed and at a disadvantage). For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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2/07/12 5:36:15 PM#93
Originally posted by KyleranOriginally posted by Vesavius Exactly this, I never duel, I only fight, if I am not going to win, I run and return when I will win. But then I only play games where there is something to lose or win, either death penalty or territory or resource control. In a game where it matters, you fight to win, to the victor the spoils, you can keep your duelling, it's for those that won't even put anything virtual on the line. "i don't waste my time building relationship in games" - nariusseldon |
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
2/07/12 5:36:47 PM#94
Originally posted by Kyleran
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
2/07/12 5:39:36 PM#95
Originally posted by RefMinor Exactly this, I never duel, I only fight, if I am not going to win, I run and return when I will win.
Nothing wrong with running if your outmatched, but your another that admits they suck and won't fight at all unless it's a gank or zerg? Because that what Kyl is saying... I think I am so out of touch lol.
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2/07/12 5:44:18 PM#96
Originally posted by Vesavius I understand where he is coming from. He is not in to a pointless duel with nothing to gain or lose. He doesn't fight for just the fun of fighting he fights only if there is something to be gained. I can dig that. It is just a different mentality. |
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2/07/12 5:48:57 PM#97
Originally posted by GreenHell What it sounded to me like is only fighting when they know they will win, which is a different motivation than fighting to gain. I hate having those folks on my side to be perfectly honest, they're worthless when things get tough. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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2/07/12 5:55:31 PM#98
I see it as a mercenary kind of attitude. You basically do not fight for free and if you can stack the odds up in your favor thats even better. In a game like WoW or ToR that attitude doesnt fit but in a game where you can lose something it makes sense. It is a bit more realistic and the people you are fighting are going to try and do the same thing. I could be wrong but I don't see him ganking noobs in the starting area for fun. Maybe I am reading him totally wrong though. Dunno really that was just my take on what he was saying. |
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2/07/12 5:59:32 PM#99
The first thing I do in any new MMO is to check the options to see if there's a way to:
If I want to PVP, I'll join an instance queue or go to the open-world PVP zone, properly equipped and in the right mindset. I'm certainly not going to duel some random stranger who's most likely kitted and supplied for PVP, whilst I'm in the middle of questing and geared for NPC's. Besides, 9 times out of 10 the person spamming duel requests is bunny-hopping around and generally making a nuisance of themselves.
I have never accepted a randomly spammed guild invite in my entire 10-year MMO history. I usually either make an effort to find out about decent guilds in a game and apply for membership, or I get an invite from someone I've grouped with, played with for a while and actually talked to ingame. |
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2/07/12 6:02:23 PM#100
Originally posted by GreenHell I understand different game types do play to different player tendancies. I think my final point stands regardless heh, this sort doesn't serve a group, guild or corp much if at all. I can see this attitude for a pirate or some such. But in an environment where loss is real, these are the worst teammates/friends to have, as they won't risk loss, in a game where a single able body can make the difference between a loss and a win, a friend who runs is worthless. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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