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  Hauken

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OP  2/06/12 2:11:32 PM#1

As a player of SWTOR ive stated before that i feel this game is mediocre at best. And i can only see the game will entertain me for a few months. My highest lvl char is 37 a jedi counceler. And i found that the gameplay and story wasnt all that great. So i created a trooper and lost a bit of intrest at lvl 11!!!. I then made a jedi knight and went a bit on the dark side with him and found him a bit more entertaining than the two first. So dark side eh? I then went and created a BH my favourite profession from SWG. The story and abilities so far is much better than the others so far(But i hear that the BH story is bugged?) And im locked to the empire and no player bounties!!! I guess smugglers suffers from same.....

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

With 100-200 mill invested in this there just got to be more....

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  matraque

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2/06/12 2:18:28 PM#2
Originally posted by Hauken

As a player of SWTOR ive stated before that i feel this game is mediocre at best. And i can only see the game will entertain me for a few months. My highest lvl char is 37 a jedi counceler. And i found that the gameplay and story wasnt all that great. So i created a trooper and lost a bit of intrest at lvl 11!!!. I then made a jedi knight and went a bit on the dark side with him and found him a bit more entertaining than the two first. So dark side eh? I then went and created a BH my favourite profession from SWG. The story and abilities so far is much better than the others so far(But i hear that the BH story is bugged?) And im locked to the empire and no player bounties!!! I guess smugglers suffers from same.....

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

With 100-200 mill invested in this there just got to be more....

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  Distopia

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2/06/12 2:20:26 PM#3
Originally posted by Hauken

 

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

Even those who didn't like the game seem to disagree here, it may not be as deep as some of Bioware's single-player games story wise, but IMO it's still good.

 

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  Zekiah

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2/06/12 2:22:53 PM#4

If there's one thing I've learned over my MMO years it's this:

Never, ever judge the future of a MMO on promises, potential or possibility.

It is what it is and odds are it won't be much more either.

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  WhiteLantern

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2/06/12 2:23:13 PM#5

Every game has room for improvement.

 

 

 

NGE, anyone?

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  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

2/06/12 2:24:22 PM#6

No offense but a lot of the things you are sad that aren't there were never intended to be there and you only expected them because you played SW:G.

Which I did too, it was fun, but SWTOR is not SW:G  they aren't even close to being similar games, save the fact that they are based in the same IP.

As far as I know the BH story is fine, I have one at 30, I have a few friends who are 50 BH's so I'm going to guess that BH's are not bugged.

Yeah its kinda werid Smugglers and BH's are faction locked, I personally think they should have made them have to pick which faction they were a member of at level 10 or something...

It doesn't really fit the game they were trying to make though...

 

  Complication

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2/06/12 2:27:28 PM#7

The only improvements that BW can make to the game is stability and hopefully bug fixes. The classes are the way they are and they wont change.  The stories are lame as hell, my community college writing class can produce better plots than what is in game now.

I seriously doubt they will change anything that is already set in stone like classes and their stories.  Player bounty's, not going to happen.  They can barely get their own UI to work properly, so trying to program a system like swg player bounties is NOT going to happen.

Republic players have and always will be not happy with how their faction plays and feels during the leveling process.  Empire looks better, plays cooler, and has the better story lines.

I bet you a million credits that the only thing BW adds to improve the game is more dungeons/raids and maybe a few more warzone maps, but even those will take months and months and months.

New races? forget it! New classes? FORGET IT!  Different paths for classes to take on their linear railroad quests? FORGET IT!!!

  lizardbones

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2/06/12 2:29:34 PM#8

Things can always be better. Not necessarily within time and money constraints though.

As far as new content goes, they have a lot of empty space in their map of the galaxy. They could certainly add new planets, new cities on existing planets, etc. If they were going to focus on PvP improvements, I would think they'd need to get Ilum fully situated first though. Get something worked out for the faction imbalances and get the whole area attractive to both dedicated and casual PvP players. Then add some more PvP planets.

For PvE content, I would love to see more story lines, on new planets or existing planets as an alternate advancement path like the PvP and PvE raids. Since the stories are at max level, you have variations in the story lines with story branches and variable outcomes.

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  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

2/06/12 2:30:18 PM#9
Originally posted by Complication

New races? forget it! New classes? FORGET IT!  Different paths for classes to take on their linear railroad quests? FORGET IT!!!

New races would be hilariously easy for them to add in.  New classes not so much.  Horrizontal content?  yeah thats possible, look at AoC's ex pack, they added in a lot of side areas to level through starting at level 20.

 

  ktanner3

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2/06/12 2:30:57 PM#10
Originally posted by Hauken

As a player of SWTOR ive stated before that i feel this game is mediocre at best. And i can only see the game will entertain me for a few months. My highest lvl char is 37 a jedi counceler. And i found that the gameplay and story wasnt all that great. So i created a trooper and lost a bit of intrest at lvl 11!!!. I then made a jedi knight and went a bit on the dark side with him and found him a bit more entertaining than the two first. So dark side eh? I then went and created a BH my favourite profession from SWG. The story and abilities so far is much better than the others so far(But i hear that the BH story is bugged?) And im locked to the empire and no player bounties!!! I guess smugglers suffers from same.....

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

With 100-200 mill invested in this there just got to be more....

 The PVP does need a lot of work. Huttball gets boring after the third or fourth time in a row. I just want a place that I can always go to to mix it up with the other side when I feel like it. Screw the sports. I want to fight in a war.

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  BarakIII

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2/06/12 2:32:53 PM#11
Originally posted by Hauken

As a player of SWTOR ive stated before that i feel this game is mediocre at best. And i can only see the game will entertain me for a few months. My highest lvl char is 37 a jedi counceler. And i found that the gameplay and story wasnt all that great. So i created a trooper and lost a bit of intrest at lvl 11!!!. I then made a jedi knight and went a bit on the dark side with him and found him a bit more entertaining than the two first. So dark side eh? I then went and created a BH my favourite profession from SWG. The story and abilities so far is much better than the others so far(But i hear that the BH story is bugged?) And im locked to the empire and no player bounties!!! I guess smugglers suffers from same.....

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

With 100-200 mill invested in this there just got to be more....

Sorry, I just don't buy the part highlighted in orange. I also play Lotro and the stories, especially of side quests, are mediocre AT BEST. I think TOR stories are much better. What pulls me in in Lotro is the world itself, and the crafting which I like a lot. I'm not saying that the storires in TOR are prize winning stories and that can be said of any of Bioware games including the Mass Effect series which is my favorite series of all time. What makes stories so entertaining in gaming is their interactivity. While the main plot is always the same there's always small differences in each play through depending on the choices you make that makes these games worth while to me.

To answer your question posted in the title of the thread, yes there can be improvement. MMOs by their nature are always evolving. This doesn't always lead to improvement, but it can.

As to the question you actually posted in your post, the answer is no. The main plot will always be the same, there will only be small differences depending on your choices. If that's not enough for you then perhaps this game and others like it simply aren't for you. But tell me something, why would you expect such control? You certainly don't get it in Lotro nor in any other MMO, yet you seem to expect things to be so much different in TOR, why?

  Kyleran

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2/06/12 2:35:07 PM#12
Originally posted by Hauken

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

 

Likely you will have as much control of how your story in SWTOR will evolve as a roller coaster passenger has in determining which way to go. 

Even if they add in some more track, you're still going to have to stay on the rails and go where the designers plan on taking you, in the order that they mean for you to take.

I prefer MMO's that ride more like the bumper cars.

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  Zekiah

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2/06/12 2:38:29 PM#13
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Hauken

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

 

Likely you will have as much control of how your story in SWTOR will evolve as a roller coaster passenger has in determining which way to go. 

Even if they add in some more track, you're still going to have to stay on the rails and go where the designers plan on taking you, in the order that they mean for you to take.

I prefer MMO's that ride more like the bumper cars.

Exactly. If you purchase a game that dictates the story to you, don't expect to write the ending. 

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  DaRoamer

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2/06/12 2:56:00 PM#14
Originally posted by Complication

The only improvements that BW can make to the game is stability and hopefully bug fixes. The classes are the way they are and they wont change.  The stories are lame as hell, my community college writing class can produce better plots than what is in game now.

I seriously doubt they will change anything that is already set in stone like classes and their stories.  Player bounty's, not going to happen.  They can barely get their own UI to work properly, so trying to program a system like swg player bounties is NOT going to happen.

Republic players have and always will be not happy with how their faction plays and feels during the leveling process.  Empire looks better, plays cooler, and has the better story lines.

I bet you a million credits that the only thing BW adds to improve the game is more dungeons/raids and maybe a few more warzone maps, but even those will take months and months and months.

New races? forget it! New classes? FORGET IT!  Different paths for classes to take on their linear railroad quests? FORGET IT!!!

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  korent1991

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2/06/12 2:56:13 PM#15

This game has room for improvement on every aspect. Story can be boring sometimes and feels like it's pointless to do what you're doing right now since you were given a completley different task from your master. So story tree isn't actually good. Graphics is pathetic out of the conversation, what it means: there is no high resolution textures out side of the conversation because they still didn't enabled that. AA is apsolute disaster and when you activate it on "high" it still seems like you didn't do anything with AA. They didn't do anything on balancing classes in PVP so you can find yourself in a situation where you can't kill  a player because he's a trooper and you're a jaggernaut or some crap like that. PVP brackets (there's only bracket for 10-49 and lvl 50). Bug fixing, it's like they're ignoring it. We make bug tickets all the time, they simply just ignore it. For 2 patches they didn't fix most o the bugs in pvp and outside of it. There's still issues with shadows on high settings and ATi cards (mostly the older ones 3xxx, and some of the 4xxx series)... Not to mention they made so many group quests but server population dropped so suddenly after the 1st month it's impossible to find a group for most of them if you're unlucy and find yourself on a dead server suddenly where planet population is around 30-40 at it's peak and fleet has around 100 players at best.  Not to even mention lack of end game (high level) content. 

If they don't fix most of this things soonish, I think it'll be the doom of this game. Especially the lack of high lvl content. 

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  User Deleted
2/06/12 3:07:07 PM#16

Anything can improve...

Look at almost every game out there and you see improvement over time.

Age of Conan for example is an incredibly good game now, and at launch it was horrible..

However AoC kinda exemplfies what I have been saying about SWTOR.

Gamers have changed, there are so many choices out there that we have become impatient and less forgiving.

You have ONE chance, and if you do not give us your very best effort on launch day, you miss that chance.

Gamers are like nomads, if the watering hole isn't pure and sweet, the trees loaded with fruit, and bountiful game all about, we pack up our tents and move on to the next grazing land. Some of the tribe may wander back from time to time but the core of the tribe keeps moving to newer and greener pastures.

 

SWTOR had it's chance, it blew it, the core of the tribe has moved on.

  Wickedjelly

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2/06/12 3:12:01 PM#17
Originally posted by Sorrow

You have ONE chance, and if you do not give us your very best effort on launch day, you miss that chance.

Gamers are like nomads, if the watering hole isn't pure and sweet, the trees loaded with fruit, and bountiful game all about, we pack up our tents and move on to the next grazing land. Some of the tribe may wander back from time to time but the core of the tribe keeps moving to newer and greener pastures.

 

SWTOR had it's chance, it blew it, the core of the tribe has moved on.

Pretty much agree with this.

...and I have no idea what it is going to take for companies to understand this concept. They simply do not seem to get it and think they can launch games like they did back in the day. That's okay though. I'm not the one that has to answer to investors or employees they eventaully downsize when things don't go as they expect afterwards.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Vhaln

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2/06/12 3:20:50 PM#18
Originally posted by Hauken

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

 

I would say that if you already like the game, exactly the way it is, yes, it will most likely improve in that direction its already been taken.  They'll be adding more of what's already there for a while, at least.  Maybe even a long time, if the game does well enough.

 

OTOH, if you don't like the game, and hope to see really game-changing improvements, then no, almost definately not.  With the game they've created, the devs have made it clear what their priorities are, and its pretty logical to assume that unless the lead dev is fired and they're forced to pull an NGE, that's where their priorities will always be.  There's also a sort of momentum involved, with the game being developed the way that it has - its a lot easier to keep making content it was already designed for, than to start adding entirely new systems into it, and that goes for all sorts of things, from the way they've done PvP, to the way they've done character models and animations.  Don't expect much, and definately don't expect it any time soon.

 

In my experience, that goes for all MMOs, really.  For a number of reasons, any improvements they make will generally just be more of the same.. not counting utterly broken unfinished games like STO or AoC, but that clearly doesn't apply here. TOR might not be finished the way you want it to be, but it does very much appear to be working as intended.

 

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  xxcomaxx

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2/06/12 3:23:04 PM#19

This game is complete and total garbage after you hit 50. Until then, it's ok but nothing special, and definitely not "revolutionary" as Bioware has claimed over the past 3 years. Our entire guild and usubed with no plans on going back. We've got our sites focused on Tera atm, and also Archeage.

  Icewhite

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2/06/12 3:30:18 PM#20

If you're seriously interested in the question, check back in every six months,

The dev's staffs certainly big enough.

 

 

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