Originally posted by Zylaxx

 

I really wanted to like the game but the PvP in this game is beyond broken and it favors people who have hours upon hours to play every day not to mention you must have the patience of a saint to stand playing against premades vs pugs. I basically told myself this morning I would play my main a 588 Expertised (none of it in a premade) Darkness Sin and 3 of my other level 20+ alts (so 4 total characters) 2 games per Warfront and if I lost eveyr single game I would rage quit. The first 2 WF's on my geared assasin I played a huttball and a Civil War both times against BM/Champion geared premades and every single person on my team was sub 13000 health and under 100 expertise. The next 3 characters (Jugg level 21, healing Operative level 26 and Commando Trooper level 23) I also played 2 games each, all 6 games my side had predominantly level 12-24 characters with only 1 person above level 40 in 6 games. Yep you guessed it the other side had 4+ level 40's and 2 of the games had premades (I mean seriously premades sub 50 is stupid). That was the final straw that broke the camels back for me. A friend of mine (who I havnt broken the news too yet) even acknoledges my piss poor luck in trying to win a Warfront (and when I do manage to win half the time I dont get credit for it). I am not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination as I hit Glad in 2 seasons in WoW and never finished a season outside of Duelist. TLDR I quit because the matchmaking system is totally out for me so it wins and I lose.

 

The part in green is as it should be. Theres no reason anyone who invests more of their time into a game should be on even terms with someone who doesnt. Everything else I agree with you on.

not to even mention skill lag, atrocious class inbalance, horribly bland pvp maps, etc, etc.

pvp was an after thought in this game. i can't even force myself to log in anymore.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by Zylaxx

 

I really wanted to like the game but the PvP in this game is beyond broken and it favors people who have hours upon hours to play every day

 

The part in green is as it should be. Theres no reason anyone who invests more of their time into a game should be on even terms with someone who doesnt. Everything else I agree with you on.

I agree.

Why people expect MMORPGs to behave the same as FPS games when it comes to drop in PvP I have no idea.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by Zylaxx

 

I really wanted to like the game but the PvP in this game is beyond broken and it favors people who have hours upon hours to play every day not to mention you must have the patience of a saint to stand playing against premades vs pugs. I basically told myself this morning I would play my main a 588 Expertised (none of it in a premade) Darkness Sin and 3 of my other level 20+ alts (so 4 total characters) 2 games per Warfront and if I lost eveyr single game I would rage quit. The first 2 WF's on my geared assasin I played a huttball and a Civil War both times against BM/Champion geared premades and every single person on my team was sub 13000 health and under 100 expertise. The next 3 characters (Jugg level 21, healing Operative level 26 and Commando Trooper level 23) I also played 2 games each, all 6 games my side had predominantly level 12-24 characters with only 1 person above level 40 in 6 games. Yep you guessed it the other side had 4+ level 40's and 2 of the games had premades (I mean seriously premades sub 50 is stupid). That was the final straw that broke the camels back for me. A friend of mine (who I havnt broken the news too yet) even acknoledges my piss poor luck in trying to win a Warfront (and when I do manage to win half the time I dont get credit for it). I am not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination as I hit Glad in 2 seasons in WoW and never finished a season outside of Duelist. TLDR I quit because the matchmaking system is totally out for me so it wins and I lose.

 

The part in green is as it should be. Theres no reason anyone who invests more of their time into a game should be on even terms with someone who doesnt. Everything else I agree with you on.

Well, this is traditionally true of MMORPG's, but I must say I favored titles more like EVE where you could catch up and be on more even footing without having to spend inordinate amounts of time playing.  GW2 promises to be more forgiving in this area as well so we'll see how that goes.

What's the point in deleting your characters?

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

not to even mention skill lag, atrocious class inbalance, horribly bland pvp maps, etc, etc.

pvp was an after thought in this game. i can't even force myself to log in anymore.

 

I can forgive alot of things but fairness and balance are deal breakers for me.  No one should be required to have to go against premades unless they themselves queue up premades.  And if I queue up as a level 21 then everyone on both sides should be within 5 or 6 levels.  Come on dont tell me that you cant implent some sort of selective queueing process to assign fairness and some sembalance of balance, even if it means the matchmaking system wil lresult in longer queues.

I understand your sentiment. I had days without wins as well doing randoms. i.e. Your daily quest essentialy becomes a "twice weekly" one which is kind of sucky. Next to that I had bad luck with assembled parts dropping from commendation bags. I think I opened 11 in a row with only coms one week V_V

Stuff like the RNG reward system and needing actual WINS for daily and weekly quest completion can make it extremely rough and discouraging for random group queue'ers. Not so much because of losing often, but spending so much time on repetitve content with so little reward if the dice don't happen roll your way.

I also reached the conclusion that there were probably a million ways in which I could spend my precious free time in a more enjoying way. :)

Originally posted by DarkPony

I also reached the conclusion that there were probably a million ways in which I could spend my precious free time in a more enjoying way. :)

I'm confused Pony.. does that mean your sig is permanently retired?  (or atleast semi-permanently?)

I agree OP.  I agree so much.  Tier the system.  Suck it up.  They borrowed some of the BEST things from other MMO's.  Steal that too.  Nothing worse than playing against 20 50's in any PvP because even with the "raise" I get, I don't stand a chance in PvP.

Originally posted by Robsolf

What's the point in deleting your characters?

It's so he can really push the idea of how much he hates the game. What's the use of being negative if you don't throw in the dramatics?

To the OP. Sorry to see you go. I wish you would have given me your stuff before deleting though....

Originally posted by Robsolf

What's the point in deleting your characters?

TBH first time Ive ever done something as drastic as that but as I stated I was going to give the game system 8 games across 4 characters and both factions on the same server to see how unfair the system really is and all it would of taken is 1 win, JUST ONE. Why play a game thats either horribly unfair or at the very elast has it out for me lol. 

Plus this will prevent me from saying "ahh screw it lets go play again maybe I might get lucky". 

Originally posted by DarkPony

I understand your sentiment. I had days without wins as well doing randoms. i.e. Your daily quest essentialy becomes a "twice weekly" one which is kind of sucky. Next to that I had bad luck with assembled parts dropping from commendation bags. I think I opened 11 in a row with only coms one week V_V

Stuff like the RNG reward system and needing actual WINS for daily and weekly quest completion can make it extremely rough and discouraging for random group queue'ers. Not so much because of losing often, but spending so much time on repetitve content with so little reward if the dice don't happen roll your way.

I also reached the conclusion that there were probably a million ways in which I could spend my precious free time in a more enjoying way. :)

I was extremely lucky with bags TBH, I was fully champion geared within 3 weeks of 50, I think my first 10 bags contained 8 unassembled parts.  I would of traded half those items for 50% more win rate though, because getting those bags were horrible, I had more fun when I got all 4 wisdom teeth pulled 8 years ago.

You bought a Bioware game for PvP?

Ehrm, was that really a good idea?

BW have always been focused on PvE and anyone checking up this game just a little before launch should have known that it is a PvE game with a few PvP options for when you just feel for something different. A lot like Wow actually, even if Wow have added more PvP options during the years it is still a PvE game.

If you prefer PvP quitting the game was the right thing to do, this game just isn´t made for you. PvP will surely gets better with time but it will never become the focus of the game, PvE will always be the main thing.

If you prefer PvP then you should try to find a game that is focused on it or at least that puts as much work into PvP as PvE. Different games are made for different people, that does not mean the ones that isn´t for you is bad, they just are for people that like that type of gameplay.

I have not PvPed in this game but matching premades with pugs is a bad idea and even worse when there are level dissimilarities. Further I would not buy this game for PvP I bought it for story which is what Bioware is known for.

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by DarkPony

I also reached the conclusion that there were probably a million ways in which I could spend my precious free time in a more enjoying way. :)

I'm confused Pony.. does that mean your sig is permanently retired?  (or atleast semi-permanently?)

I agree OP.  I agree so much.  Tier the system.  Suck it up.  They borrowed some of the BEST things from other MMO's.  Steal that too.  Nothing worse than playing against 20 50's in any PvP because even with the "raise" I get, I don't stand a chance in PvP.

I thought there was lvl50 bracket already and the rest are 10-49. Though all the other problems are still there. I've played only casually BG's and it still annoys to not get credit over for a win, so I can understand if some people are pissed off royally who ties to PvP in more serious manner.

It take 72 commendations to get a PvP weapon. If you don't do the dailies and just grinded out the commendations it would take you approximatly 68.5 hours to grind the commendations to get your PvP weapons... about 272 matches or so. 

PvP is rather brutal in this game.

Really though, I don't think you should be on even footing as someone else that has been PvPing tons more than you. Have no sympathy far as that goes.

As for the rest mentioned? Yeah, fairly lame. Although anyone that followed anything about this game beforehand should have seen this coming. The writing was pretty clearly written on the wall. Doesn't make it okay but shouldn't be the least bit surprising.

Originally posted by Loke666

You bought a Bioware game for PvP?

Ehrm, was that really a good idea?

BW have always been focused on PvE and anyone checking up this game just a little before launch should have known that it is a PvE game with a few PvP options for when you just feel for something different. A lot like Wow actually, even if Wow have added more PvP options during the years it is still a PvE game.

If you prefer PvP quitting the game was the right thing to do, this game just isn´t made for you. PvP will surely gets better with time but it will never become the focus of the game, PvE will always be the main thing.

If you prefer PvP then you should try to find a game that is focused on it or at least that puts as much work into PvP as PvE. Different games are made for different people, that does not mean the ones that isn´t for you is bad, they just are for people that like that type of gameplay.

its not that I enjoy PvP more its that I detest raiding and organization.  PvP in traditional Themepark MMO's give casuals like me end game progression with out the need of organization that things like Raiding entails.  I enjoy world features for the most part, and I often times spent long periods of time in SWTOr out in the world just killing elites because I found it enjoyable "FOR ME".  Its as close to a game style that emulates Asherons Call as can be found in a themepark MMO.

On the flip side I am a pretty decent player and win 1v1's way more because of my skill, not to mention I enjoy min/maxing my characters, it isnt uncommon for my alts to be decked out in fully epic gear (I spent 12 hours and 100k credits on Saturday crafting and re-engineering level 21 Synthweaving gear on my 50 main for epics for my 21 Jugg)  yes I know that gear would be outleveld within days but I enjoy that style of gameplay so its not a waste of my time. 

Originally posted by Kuinn

Originally posted by Ikeda

INothing worse than playing against 20 50's in any PvP because even with the "raise" I get, I don't stand a chance in PvP.

I thought there was lvl50 bracket already and the rest are 10-49. 

Quote snipped to the meat.

The level 50 bracket was added as a patch in week... 2 or 3.  I don't remember.  By then, PvP was already disgustingly one sided due to multiple factors included... RNG gear, commendation duping, the spawn camping on Illum, the carebear groups of Illum trading kills.

I'm SURE it got a slight bit better but again, a 49 v. a 25 (even with increase stats) was extremely mismatched.  Yes, some skill is involved but some of the actual SKILLS earned during that period give the 49 a very large advantage in the match.

Originally posted by Kuinn

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by DarkPony

I also reached the conclusion that there were probably a million ways in which I could spend my precious free time in a more enjoying way. :)

I'm confused Pony.. does that mean your sig is permanently retired?  (or atleast semi-permanently?)

I agree OP.  I agree so much.  Tier the system.  Suck it up.  They borrowed some of the BEST things from other MMO's.  Steal that too.  Nothing worse than playing against 20 50's in any PvP because even with the "raise" I get, I don't stand a chance in PvP.

 

I thought there was lvl50 bracket already and the rest are 10-49. Though all the other problems are still there. I've played only casually BG's and it still annoys to not get credit over for a win, so I can understand if some people are pissed off royally who ties to PvP in more serious manner.

Yea but heres the caveat and if you think otherwise then you are dillusional.

1. At 50 yes you are matched against other 50s since hte last patch but If you dont have expertise you will flail around helpless for weeks trying to get geared out to possibly compete.

2. Sub 50 is matched based on 10-49.  The power difference between someone who has 31 talent points and 90% of their skills and someone who has 5 talent points and not even 25% of their skills is HUGE, not to mention the inherent advantage of soemone who has more health, crit, surge, defense, mitigation based on items.  A level 10 has no helm, ear, implant, or relic going against soemone who ahs those is a huge penalty.

The games PvP should be structured on 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, and 40 to 49 at the very least.

2.