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  Siiion

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Joined: 11/22/08
Posts: 69

2/04/12 11:14:56 PM#61
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Siiion

servers are still very heavy/heavy/ full  with *some* light - :shrug: move on

sounds like every other big AAA mmo a month after release.. worked out so well for all of them hasn't it? people jump to conclusion way to fast good or bad.. just going from recent MMO history every large AAA game that wasn't a launch disaster did well for it's first few months. A game with this much hype and big IP you better believe that alone will sell it for a few months.. after that I think some tough times are ahead....

That's tough to say. If bioware delivers things that they are planning on implimenting it can be successful in the long run, time will tell

  Moaky07

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Joined: 2/24/07
Posts: 2199

MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

2/05/12 12:47:56 AM#62

Then they need to state their peace, and move on I would say:

 

Dude....you may think it is OK to complain, but those of us being forced to endure would like to gouge a few eyes out with a spork. Talk about chinese water torture.

 

They say turn about is fair play, so I hope you can be on the receiving end of it sometime. It is pretty annoying, much in the same way of hearing "they took the PRECioUS" was for 5+ yrs before it finally subsided, to a minimal level, on these forums.

 

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Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  SuperXero89

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2/05/12 12:59:04 AM#63

The problem with releasing a game that is so closely modeled after another game is that direct comparisons will obviously be drawn.  As a result, game developers better darn well be sure they surpass the title they're being compared to.  The problem with most MMORPGs is that their developers don't seem to understand this concept.  They feel as if it's perfectly alright to release the same type of game with far less content and far less features, and as a result, they end up playing some reactionary game of catch up for the entirity of the game's lifespan.  When you look at it, MMO companies such as Turbine, Trion, Mythic, and now BioWare haven't really added a whole heck of a lot to WoW's formula and many of their games' changes come from changes seen in WoW such as the addition of a dungeon finder, streamlined questing, and badge gear.

When World of Warcraft was released, it had far less content than EverQuest and really had little to no endgame; however, people still played it in droves because there was nothing else to comprae it to.  Though WoW drew a great deal of inspiration from EverQuest, relatively little was directly coppied and old ideas (quests, raiding, loot progression) were made fresh.

  Strap

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Joined: 5/04/09
Posts: 523

2/05/12 2:07:56 AM#64

Welll, sort of. Part of the problem is devs do keep selling the impression of innovation. With Rift it was rifts (dynamics events) that would revolutionise our MMO experience. With TOR it was the promise that story (1000s of hours of VO) would.

Now GW2 is promising that an interacting world of dynamic events will do the trick.

I dunno. Perhaps it is time to as you say "move the fuck on" but I'm curious about the new releases and can't help but comment on them. Rift, I thought, was a move in the right direction so I can see myself trying GW2 unless warned off.

And nobody is forcing you to endure whining. Block excessively negative posters. Skip posts that you can tell from the first sentences are going to whine. I just don't read the PRECioUS posts whenever I detect that is where they are coming from.

 

  tank017

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2/05/12 2:23:33 AM#65

who's forcing you? my guess is you..

  Shoju

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Posts: 774

2/05/12 2:26:57 AM#66
Originally posted by Siiion

servers are still very heavy/heavy/ full  with *some* light - :shrug: move on

Using a game's server status as a measuring stick is a bit of a double-edged sword.  Sure labels like heavy and full look great, but it is the developers which set the population caps to display those tags.  They could easily set a cap of 150 concurrent players to display the 'very heavy' population tag knowing that very few people would be any the wiser.  Very few, if any, developers release hard figures as to the actual numbers behind the server status tag limits.  They may all boast about how many people a server can support at any one time, but very few show actual numbers any more.  Just vague words that imply levels of activity.

  GreenHell

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Joined: 11/27/05
Posts: 1337

2/05/12 2:48:35 AM#67

If all the people that complain did move on what would you have here? This place would be dead. There is no mmorpg forum utopia out there. If there was you would be there. Is it annoying? Sure can be... but what do you expect when you come here?

 

  Cpt_Picard

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Joined: 8/29/09
Posts: 305

There are four lights...

2/05/12 2:51:41 AM#68

I'm not going to read the thread... But if someone can tell me of a game with a deeper questing experience than swotor I will poop my pants. 

Make it so...

  dimmit77

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Joined: 10/08/06
Posts: 296

2/05/12 3:02:28 AM#69
Originally posted by Pintaphilly

Im enjoying the game so..... yeah..... a lot of the problems you guys list, i haven't experienced at all. And most of them are shared with other MMOs. You guys expect WAAAAY TOO MUCH from MMOs, get a sense of god damn reality for once. SWTOR is a great game (I played both WoW and Rift, raided hardcore in both). IF you did your research, your expectations wouldn't be as exaggerated as it was. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH! I knew what to expect from the game, and enjoy it greatly. 

Not to mention, these type of threads pop up FOR EVERY SINGLE MMO when they get released. Can you see the pattern? Nothing new here, just the same old whining from idiots who expect too much from MMOs.

 

I keep seeing random dudes posting how bad this game is and really wait to see them post what game they are actually PLAYING so we have a point of reference . But no one does. 

It would increase my laugh factor by a 100 when someone posted " Game is bland , boring compared to WoW or Darkfall  or Guid Wars that I currently play . " 

Or at least tell us that they don't really play ANY MMO , and they just wait for the next big one that will blow us away . 

I read these posts and seriously wonder if these people have ever understood how an MMO works . 

  dimmit77

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Joined: 10/08/06
Posts: 296

2/05/12 3:04:22 AM#70
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by BarCrow
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Terronte

I went to the movies the other day and someone half an aisle over smelled like urine. A few seats back someone had a huge bucket of popcorn, but didnt know it was possible to chew with their mouth closed.

My friend left the movie theater talking about these annoying things, while I was happy to have seen a good movie.

Focus on the bad and you'll miss the good.

What a load of shit.

You must be that friend he was talking about.

 

I still enjoy the game for what it is. I jump around from Empire to Republic alternating classes and specialties. I choose Marauder on Empire side and Guardian on Republic side for example to avoid playing essentially the same specialty. I enjoy the PvP even though admittedly have yet to do Ilum. Highest level is 43 on main character and just taking my time. Don't play every day so that helps. Like most games I'll likely stop at some point but don't see it happening any time soon.

Next time i will deliver faulty work to my boss I'll tell him that too.

"You see man, you focus too much on the bad, you are missing the good. For what it is, a design scribbled on the back the pizza box, its really good, you need to chill out and enjoy my work more."

 

Actually, you opened my eyes.

I will stop giving a shit, about everything, ever.

 

So what MMO design is actually so GOOD that makes SWTOR look so bad? 

  dimmit77

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Joined: 10/08/06
Posts: 296

2/05/12 3:07:43 AM#71
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Trikke

Who are the players that QQ about the newest MMO.

1) Burnt out / need to take a break players.

2) Employees of other mmos

3) The sheep that follow the hater herd.

4) Retards that expect a new game to be the same as a polished 7 year MMO.

5) Players that think so highly of themselves that they have to nerd rage quite in local or these forums to make themselves feel better as they retreat back to their 7 year old panda bears and pokemon. As if we care about what you think of the game.

6) Players that are completely fed up with the crap state of MMOs that have been released in the last 5+ years

Did it ever cross your mind that if you have failed in so many MMO's it may not be the games it may be you? 

  dwalker2009

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Joined: 1/03/07
Posts: 3

2/05/12 3:16:35 AM#72
Originally posted by dimmit77
Originally posted by Pintaphilly

Im enjoying the game so..... yeah..... a lot of the problems you guys list, i haven't experienced at all. And most of them are shared with other MMOs. You guys expect WAAAAY TOO MUCH from MMOs, get a sense of god damn reality for once. SWTOR is a great game (I played both WoW and Rift, raided hardcore in both). IF you did your research, your expectations wouldn't be as exaggerated as it was. DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH! I knew what to expect from the game, and enjoy it greatly. 

Not to mention, these type of threads pop up FOR EVERY SINGLE MMO when they get released. Can you see the pattern? Nothing new here, just the same old whining from idiots who expect too much from MMOs.

 

I keep seeing random dudes posting how bad this game is and really wait to see them post what game they are actually PLAYING so we have a point of reference . But no one does. 

It would increase my laugh factor by a 100 when someone posted " Game is bland , boring compared to WoW or Darkfall  or Guid Wars that I currently play . " 

Or at least tell us that they don't really play ANY MMO , and they just wait for the next big one that will blow us away . 

I read these posts and seriously wonder if these people have ever understood how an MMO works . 

 

So by both of your understandings, other people arnt allowed to dislike it, because you dont find it mundane?

Other people can have opinions, thats the beauty of free speach, just because your happy with it doesnt mean everyone else will share your views.

As for previous MMO's ive played EQ2, Neocron, AoC, Aion, Wow and Raided in all, so id imagine I have an understanding on how they work. 

ALL of them have held my attention alot longer than SWTOR.

  Souldrainer

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Joined: 5/21/06
Posts: 1878

2/05/12 3:35:25 AM#73
Originally posted by precious328

I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).

So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.

My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."

So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.

I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.

My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.

Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.

 You've been posting about the game almost daily for months.  What do you mean you just now tried it?  Why did you post about a game you never tried so much?

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  illorion

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2/05/12 3:38:08 AM#74
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by precious328

I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).

So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.

My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."

So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.

I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.

My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.

Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.

 You've been posting about the game almost daily for months.  What do you mean you just now tried it?  Why did you post about a game you never tried so much?

There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you

"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"

  Shoju

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2/05/12 3:41:33 AM#75
Originally posted by Trikke

4) Retards that expect a new game to be the same as a polished 7 year MMO.

I don't consider myself to be a 'retard', but as a consumer, I do have expectations when it comes to the products and services that I purchase. 

So WOW has had seven years of content and polish to get the game where it is now.  Big frickin deal.  If you consider yourself to be a AAA developer and you can't deliver the same level of product quality as your competitors (and the expectations of your customers) then you have no business trying to make belive that you are in the same league as them.   Why are Bioware charging $14.99/month ("the same as a polished 7 year MMO") if they aren't able to deliver a similar level of service quality?

 

  Souldrainer

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2/05/12 3:44:38 AM#76
Originally posted by illorion
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by precious328

I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).

So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.

My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."

So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.

I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.

My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.

Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.

 You've been posting about the game almost daily for months.  What do you mean you just now tried it?  Why did you post about a game you never tried so much?

There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you

 Read it.  Made my post for emphasis.  Why would you assume otherwise?

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  illorion

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2/05/12 3:48:59 AM#77
Originally posted by Souldrainer

There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you

 Read it.  Made my post for emphasis.  Why would you assume otherwise?

Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively

"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"

  Kuinn

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2/05/12 3:57:55 AM#78
Originally posted by precious328

I've been ranting on about this game ever since my extensive beta experience. In general, what one experiences in beta is what they experience on the live servers. However, I broke down and decided to give it another try (because of guildmate pressure).

So I installed the game and started playing. Again, the story was pretty entertaining at first. However, after a few days, I couldn't deal with all the useless "run here, run there, come back, run here, deliver this, come back" bullcrap. Most of my playtime seemed to be just running along these boring paths.

My guildies agreed that the questing becomes boring as heck. So they had pretty much leveled up via PvP. Okay. "I'll try that."

So we queue our group for PvP. It's a beatdown. We pillaged just about every Void Star, Huttball, and Alderaan match. However, after about the 20th time, I couldn't take it anymore. Dailes / PvP / Rinse & Repeat - ugh.

I left the group and headed over to the nearest Auction House. It was flooded with players - all wearing the same Battlemaster-whatever gear. They all looked the same. They all had the same few speeders. They all had the same little pets. They all had the same titles.

My goodness. This game is honestly the worst MMO I've ever played. It's not a clone of WoW, though. Even a linear game like WoW has MUCH MORE depth than SWTOR. This game is terrible and should not be considered a MMORPG.

Even my guildies agreed that they would be long gone had it not been mildly entertaining playing with friends.

 

So you tried the beta and didnt like it, then you buy the game and dont like it? Are you sir a rocket scientist?

 

"Hi, I hate the president candidate number 5." Then comes the election day, you walk into the booth and vote for number 5. You are not supposed to buy a product that you dont like, that's also voting with your wallet, you just voted for TOR.

  Souldrainer

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2/05/12 4:03:20 AM#79
Originally posted by illorion
Originally posted by Souldrainer

There you go friend I underlined the part you didn't read for you

 Read it.  Made my post for emphasis.  Why would you assume otherwise?

Because you said "how have you been bashing it without ever playing it" when he said that he had already played it before... extensively

 No... he said he played BETA extensively.  Huge difference.  If someone is to give feedback on a game that is out, I don't care how much they think they know from beta, it's not the same game once it goes into a live build.  That aside, if the OP really did play extensively in beta, maybe he is just burnt out.  I don't know of any game I could play for years in beta and then also play at launch and not be bored.   I have never seen a game like that in my 30 years of gaming.

That said, I don't know why the OP is still commenting on SWTOR.  Burnt out from beta?  Check!  Did not play live game?  Check!  Proceeded to comment on live game excessively without playing a live build?  Check!  Started playing a live build recently and was still burnt out?  Check!  Blames Bioware?  ROFL!

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  Blasphim

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2/05/12 5:06:10 AM#80

Hi, my name is Blasphim, and I like Swtor.
 
It all started back with the old SSI D&D games, a little taste of UO, add some Diablo, Diablo 2, Counterstrike (before there was a retail version...I miss Dust...), Lotro (when it released, I have to say that cause it's like a different game now), Hellgate (beta), Warhammer, Eve, and yes WoW. And you know what's funny, I enjoyed them all. Yes there were things about each game that I did/do not like, but each game offered me something that made me feel I had spent money well: Entertainment.

Now I realize that what is entertaining to one, is crap to another, that's the beauty of the world. I don't like Family Guy all that much, I have a friend who thinks it's the funniest thing on TV. But I don't feel the need to trash Family Guy to my friend, and he doesn't feel the need to try and convince me to watch it.

I realize that the boards are for discussion, and that every member is free to post what they wish about games (within the guidelines of course), but for the most part, the hate threads are not really prompting much discussion. Most of the, "Tor bads, i r rage, evil EA, stoopid BW, rawr!" threads are simply posted up with the goal of bashing the game, and not offering any sort of feedback or discussion.

I enjoy Tor. It is worth the money I spent, for me. It does have a lot of growing up to do, but I am a patient man. I can understand some people have issues with the game, don't like it, wish it was more like SWG, less like WoW. But please, if your going create a thread about how much you hate the game, leave off the buzzwords, and actually try and create a thread that prompts discussion, not just flame wars between fanchildren, and angryvets.

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