Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

From playing at my friends house I can safely say that SWTOR should have been called NGE 2.

Which is still a better game than the POS PRECioUs. Just cause you dont like something doesnt mean everyone else feels the same. SWG couldnt even beat out my old favorite of EQ, and it had the SW name backing it long before MMOs went mainstream. Pretty sad if ya ask me. Even with a 7 yr head start, TOR has managed to carve out a nice amount of NA/EU subs in this WOW dominated genre. Amazing what happens when a company uses a brand name to sell a product that more folks are willing to buy.

Wow, now they carved out subs(carved out from what may i ask?). You know i still remember how Warhammer carved out subs, and how AoC carved out subs. If i was mean i would say this game is about as successful as Warhammer and AoC together.

Originally posted by Yamota

First I think it is true that they are targetting mainly the non MMORPG crowd, this is evident with the lack of any innovative MMORPG features and even lack of basic MMO features such as group finding tool. They are again trying to do what WoW did, which is to try to bring in non MMORPGs to pay and subscribe to an MMORPG.

However I very much doubt that they will retain 800k subs. I believe they already have lost  20-30% of the people who bought the box and next month it will likely be another 20-30% and due to lack of any compelling end game it will probably continue until it has less than 500k subs and my guess is that it will stabilizie around 3-400k after about 6 months.

For me the reason is clear, once most people play through the class story lines which interest them there is not a whole alot of things to do, atleast not to warrant a sub fee.

We have a group finding tool that works great, always has. The problem is people don't want to use it for some damn reason. As for 800k subs... .Uhh at last count as of today try 1.8 million and growing...

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Rocketeer

I don't really see how you could like this game if your burned out on WoW. Its really not that different. WoW has magic, ToR has the force. Both have robots, both have guys shooting with guns, Lightsaber behave exactly the same as normal swords etc... Not to mention that the fundamental gamemechanic is exactly the same.

^ agreed this game was not made in the slightest for anyone burt out on themepark MMOs and looking for something new...

The 1 million dollar question though is wether BW/EA where aware of that when they made the game ...

Not just aware, it was the maxime behind developing it. They stated in many interviews that they thought breaking away from the WoW model is stupid. And financially speaking, they were totally right. 

All i see are wow playing avarege joes that are to scared to leave wow for one month to try another game cos if this game would suck they would have to come back to wow and farm the gearfor the time they lost   and beg to get invited back to the guild again so they could get theyre raid place again ive played wow long enough 4-6 hours raid a day

Now i dont play it and never will play wow, that is with every expension the same it gets boring after few years swtor gives me fun to play it for now but for how long i cant say so im very interesting how u all know .

Never mind

Originally posted by Starwars001

Swtor is obviosuly caters to averge gamer joe, who have never played mmo OR players who have burnt out on World of warcraft. This game is not for crazy players or shoudl i say hardcore gamers demographic.

 

Basically what it boils down to 800k average joe subscribers, and ex wow vets. So swtor is successful financially theyve hit their target audience. :)

Why do people always need to put everyone into these little categories, thus making people either this or that?

People are different - It is arrogant, and downright stupidity to base your census on how reality is, based on internet feedback. There are LOTS of players who trancend any stereotype you put out. It does not matter. It's amazing how, people repeat the same nonsense over and over again. 

Originally posted by Kalfer

Originally posted by Starwars001

Swtor is obviosuly caters to averge gamer joe, who have never played mmo OR players who have burnt out on World of warcraft. This game is not for crazy players or shoudl i say hardcore gamers demographic.

 

Basically what it boils down to 800k average joe subscribers, and ex wow vets. So swtor is successful financially theyve hit their target audience. :)

 

Why do people always need to put everyone into these little categories, thus making people either this or that?

 

People are different - It is arrogant, and downright stupidity to base your census on how reality is, based on internet feedback. There are LOTS of players who trancend any stereotype you put out. It does not matter. It's amazing how, people repeat the same nonsense over and over again. 

Good point. Theres only about 6.6 billion people in the world or something, to think that even half of these can be marginalised and narrowed into a certain demographic is utter stupidity. The only entities that would be capable of making assumptions based on these demographics would be massive corporations who spend millions of dollars to know what the consumer wants and spend millions and millions more to let those consumers know about their products.

Oh but wait, some jackhole making 30k a year in the midwest can just come on the internet and start deciding who is supposed to be doing what. Guess those guys who own 99% of the wealth on the planet are really stupid compared to you.

More of the typical trash you expect to see posted on this site.

Nothing new to see here.

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

From playing at my friends house I can safely say that SWTOR should have been called NGE 2.

Which is still a better game than the POS PRECioUs. Just cause you dont like something doesnt mean everyone else feels the same. SWG couldnt even beat out my old favorite of EQ, and it had the SW name backing it long before MMOs went mainstream. Pretty sad if ya ask me. Even with a 7 yr head start, TOR has managed to carve out a nice amount of NA/EU subs in this WOW dominated genre. Amazing what happens when a company uses a brand name to sell a product that more folks are willing to buy.

Wow, now they carved out subs(carved out from what may i ask?). You know i still remember how Warhammer carved out subs, and how AoC carved out subs. If i was mean i would say this game is about as successful as Warhammer and AoC together.

TOR trumps the subs of any sandbox ever made......combined pretty much.

I am sorry that  you enjoy a niche that cant support itself, but those in glass houses shouldnt be throwing rocks by talking about sub numbers in games.

And its not the 800,000 sub number that some moron pulled out of his backside.

It is currently 1,700,000 active subs playing an average of 4 hours a day (4 hours because this demographic, have lives and responsibilities).

OP ...Absolutly.What gets me is players see a game with no end game and they still play...and worry about it whan they get there.Me....I found crafting is casual and flawed....and rvr  exists in name only.(how  a company can say there's Illum and have it be a hopeless mess...and thats ok with them ...is beyond my ability to understand.And lets throw a little same sex affection building in there for good measure.(shakes head).

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

From playing at my friends house I can safely say that SWTOR should have been called NGE 2.

Which is still a better game than the POS PRECioUs. Just cause you dont like something doesnt mean everyone else feels the same. SWG couldnt even beat out my old favorite of EQ, and it had the SW name backing it long before MMOs went mainstream. Pretty sad if ya ask me. Even with a 7 yr head start, TOR has managed to carve out a nice amount of NA/EU subs in this WOW dominated genre. Amazing what happens when a company uses a brand name to sell a product that more folks are willing to buy.

Wow, now they carved out subs(carved out from what may i ask?). You know i still remember how Warhammer carved out subs, and how AoC carved out subs. If i was mean i would say this game is about as successful as Warhammer and AoC together.

TOR trumps the subs of any sandbox ever made......combined pretty much.

 

I am sorry that  you enjoy a niche that cant support itself, but those in glass houses shouldnt be throwing rocks by talking about sub numbers in games.

 

So did Warhammer, AOC and Aoin. The only people with the right to parade the "success makes right" attitude around in my book are blizzard because they are the only ones that can take a piece of shit and turn it to gold. It might still be a piece of shit, but now its a piece of shit made of gold.

Also my niche supports itself very well, thankyouverymuch. When swtor has been growing continually for 7+ years you can come back and talk smack to EvE players. But i doubt EA has ever operated any kind of game for that long without putting it on lifesupport and start milking it like crazy.

Originally posted by Keogh

And its not the 800,000 sub number that some moron pulled out of his backside.

 

It is currently 1,700,000 active subs playing an average of 4 hours a day (4 hours because this demographic, have lives and responsibilities).

 

I fall into this demographic.... maybe that's why i'm not 50 yet and have so much to do in game.

I get home at 6... spend time with family, play for 2-3 hours.. go to bed.   More time on weekends and you get your 4 hour average.   Back in the day I would play hardcore WoW and FFXI.

I have a wife, one son, and another on the way.   SWTOR fits perfectly into my life with the mix of single player elements and mmo elements.  Love companions that make the content versatile depending on which type of companion I want to use.

Even though I love SWTOR, the sub numbers are going to go down.  I think they will settle on 1 million in 6 months, and depending on the content patches, will determine with this game goes up or down in terms of trend.

im in that 4 hr demographic if that. Some days i get maybe 2 hrs a day to play right now.  I played maybe 5 hrs total yesterday as i played my 40 sith inquisitor and my 25 counselor who i play wiht my gf . 

I dont skip the cinematics though. I think alot of those that rushed to 50 skiped them and while ill even admit at times some of them get old, I enjoy most of them

That said this has always been the case. Tor is aimed at bioware game fans and themepark fans. Who love star wars. 

It was never aimed at sandbox fans. And unfortunatly mmorpg is the site all those fans come that dont have any game to play now that galaxies is done

so u get alot of hate cause its not there cup of tea or those that are just tired of mmo genre in genreal and themepark style games. 

I do wish at end game crafting meant alto more. , id rather raids and stuff dropped rare gear look wise and not stat wise and that u could craft top level gear but other then that im loving tor. 

Originally posted by kalinis

im in that 4 hr demographic if that. Some days i get maybe 2 hrs a day to play right now.  I played maybe 5 hrs total yesterday as i played my 40 sith inquisitor and my 25 counselor who i play wiht my gf . 

I dont skip the cinematics though. I think alot of those that rushed to 50 skiped them and while ill even admit at times some of them get old, I enjoy most of them

That said this has always been the case. Tor is aimed at bioware game fans and themepark fans. Who love star wars. 

It was never aimed at sandbox fans. And unfortunatly mmorpg is the site all those fans come that dont have any game to play now that galaxies is done

so u get alot of hate cause its not there cup of tea or those that are just tired of mmo genre in genreal and themepark style games. 

I do wish at end game crafting meant alto more. , id rather raids and stuff dropped rare gear look wise and not stat wise and that u could craft top level gear but other then that im loving tor. 

Whats up with the hate? I honestly don't see much of it, lots of wonky predictions and a bit of butthurt over some(missing) feature or another but hate? Personally i think most people speaking up against the game are not hating it, they simply find no enjoyment in it and are somewhat dissappointed about it. Not to mention worried we will now see 7 years of SWToR clones after just having pulled through 7 years of WoW clones.

Rabid fanboys though ... yes they can get on your nerves big time, not saying i see much of those either though ... but it only takes a couple to drag a thread down.

Oh and about the 4 hour figure, afaik that was per day/played not daily(its just to high for a average, it would require the average /played time to be 5 days per 30 days). For example if you don't play monday through friday, but 3 hours saturday and 5 hours sunday they would arrive at this figure. Mathematically speaking, 0 hour playsession/24h do not figure into the average. They take this statistic to figure out how much you play the game if you can play it. If you log in every weekend but never on weekdays thats not really telling them anything besides that there probably are RL reasons(but nothing that has any bearing on their buisness).

They do this because they are interested in the delta, i.e. how much people play this week vs next week(especially when new content launches). Imagine a new patch comes out that adds a BG, a FP and a new operation. They would track how much longer people play, and more importantly, which part of the game they spend their time in(which is their ultimate goal), then they can focus on that kind of content more.

I think it was a LotRO dev who once explained why they take these statistics and what they do with it, i think its pretty much the same for every MMO though, the basic principle is pretty sound.