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2/01/12 7:44:21 AM#181
Dewee big post, nice effort, but by reading that list its easy to understand that your MMO experience is very very limited... Not to mention that you demand stuff that many MMO players will totally reject.
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2/01/12 9:11:29 AM#182
Heh, I think it was a tiny bit unfair to Adam to have Suzie always in a responding position, so she could reference what *he* said, as well as make her point. For that reason, I'm judging Suzie a little harsher. :) Bottom line, this is the first game since WoW that I got a character to max level in, and I've played AoC, Rift, Warhammer and Aion for months. I just never got sucked in by these ones. But SWTOR had me hook, line and sinker. Maybe because of the way they disguised the grind. Or maybe just because it's ****ing Star Wars. My vote goes to Adam. |
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Kaocan
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Joined: 8/18/09
The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend. |
2/01/12 2:44:34 PM#183
Originally posted by Candomble I agree, 31 points, not a single one I believe is NEEDED in any game. (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.) |
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2/01/12 5:26:59 PM#184
Originally posted by Moirae Never said any/most MMO has everything in the list at lauch, check below
Originally posted by Kaocan Pretty sure you know this already, still my MMO experience is not so bad thank you. Then I nowhere stated every MMO players wanted the listed features. What I wrote down is: Originally posted by Deewe |
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2/01/12 5:31:09 PM#185
If the game is so terrible then why are you haters still discussing it? Go play your other game. |
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2/01/12 5:35:16 PM#186
+1. Seriously I'm so tired about hearing this discussion. I dunno why I keep coming back to read more of it. |
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heartless
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
2/01/12 7:45:45 PM#187
Originally posted by Rampage9799 This is absolutely not the base model for MMOs. Look at UO, EVE, Planetside, Darkfall, etc. There is one MMO for which this model worked well and that is WoW. Every other MMO that tried to adopt a similar model has failed. The only one I can think of that did remotely well is Rift and even that could be argued. LOTRO, AoC, DDO, EQ2, CO, STO, DCUO... all went F2P. Aion is about to join them shortly. WAR, although not F2P is an absolute failure and I'm honestly surprised that it hasn't joined the rest of the bunch. I think that after 7 years of trying and failing to cash in on WoW's success, some developers have finally realized that there is only room for one WoW in the genre. I, for one, am glad that at least some of the upcoming MMOs are attempting to do something different from this "base model" and I'm really looking forward to GW2, Firefall, ArcheAge and Planetside 2.
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2/01/12 8:24:23 PM#188
Originally posted by warbot7777
If it was terrible, I'd not bother. What makes this so tragic, is that it could have been a MUCH better game. With a few better design decisions, and more attention to later level polish, ToR would have been a quite good game. I fault some of the senior design teams fragmented vision, and also EA for forcing it to be pushed out too soon. |
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2/02/12 2:47:41 AM#189
Eh, I haven't hit this site sense SWTOR release, only now because of a server update. I love it, I love everything about it. The last time I had this much fun was in EQ and DAOC, also being as addictive as then. No MMO sense has done such till now. I have multiple level 50's and my guild is just starting to hit the end content along with pvp. People have complained about being bored already but many as myself still remain. I don't know any MMO that hasn't had this issue thou even WoW did and does. In the end, the argument here about inovation is in the way you see inovation, have I ever played an MMO with so much depth and thought put into the story arc's ? Can't say I have, there have been games that attempted to do so in text based questing, but NOTHING that kept me wanting to play to see the end, nothing. This goes for many of my friends in my guild, we have had this discussion recently on this very topic. Beyond the stories and cut-scenes, the combat is fun and responsive, the graphics are pleasing along with the sound. I enjoyed both aspects of the sith side and reb, from ambiance to just the over-all feel. Everything I mean everything comes down to preferance. For a game that has only been out for a month now, it's probably one of if not the smoothest launch I ever played. (not saying there are no bugs, but it's playable to the end non the less). For me, the invoations are indeed small beyond looking at the "interative story" aspects. But as a person whom' enjoy's the RPG in the MMO this game has it all for me and many others. For some as seen here , it's not for everyone, but then the same can be said about World Of Warcraft, I didn't care for it after a month, but many did. If people where expecting ground breaking concepts in this game, I think they read into something that never was. Everything Bioware put into this game was posted on their website prior to release. There are wishes to be added and ideas no doubt. There was also a new just recently release additional end game conent that was added a month after release. The game needed more end content and it was obvious now that it was in the works prior to launch. For me as a gamer, this is at least good news, that the company understand what it needs to do too keep the game going. In the end, time will tell, but for the moment, they have me as a loyal player , it all depends (just like any MMO) what they do in the future to keep me entertained. For me at least, the initial investment was well worth the entertaiment I got out of it.
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2/02/12 4:15:39 AM#190
"In 1977 Lucas created Star Wars, and he saw that it was good." In subsequent years he saw it again and decided to ruin it. There are two watchable Star Wars films. A New Hope and Empire. Return of the Jedi is re-hash crapola and the prequels are farcically and embarrassingly awful. George Lucas -Absolutely succeeding in his quest to render the original Star Wars films devoid of their original charm. What a horses ass. |
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Moaky07
Novice Member
Joined: 2/24/07
MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry. |
2/02/12 5:25:40 AM#191
Originally posted by heartless The best sandbox still cannot touch EQs numbers from its heyday, and WoW took it to another level. Throw in games like EQ2, FF11, LoTRO, Rift, and now TOR, and Devs would be flat ignorant for making a pure sandbox. Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget. |
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2/02/12 8:17:31 AM#192
Originally posted by Moaky07 WoW took NOTHING to another level. It took what every game had already done and made everything so casual friendly its almost vomit worthy. My website is closed temporarily. Hopefully it will only be a short delay. |
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heartless
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
2/02/12 11:59:36 AM#193
Originally posted by Moaky07 The problem is that the MMORPG genre is sort of a niche market and one of the reasons the rest of the clones fail is because there is a finite number of players and obviously most of them are going to gravitate towards good or popular games. That's why you see games like WoW and old EQ with high subscribers, while everyone else is struggling and fighting over scraps. This is why most of the clones are either going or already went F2P. One thing I have to say about sandbox games is that even though they are more niche than their theme park counterparts, there is still a large, virtually untapped market for them. EVE Online has about active 350,000 accounts. UO, in it's prime had about 250,000 on the official servers alone. There is also a staggering amount of emulated servers for UO but it would probably be impossible to determine the total amount of players on those servers. We can also take into account Skyrim. Yes, it's a single player game but it is a sandbox and it sold a huge amount of copies, showing that the market for sandbox games is there. A true sandbox game will probably not work though. It will be too confusing for an average MMO player who is used to hand holding and being gated from zone to zone. A sandbox/themepark hybrid, on the other hand, should do the trick. Games like ArcheAge and to a lesser degree GW2 are a step in the right direction.
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2/02/12 2:24:34 PM#194
Originally posted by Moirae Only to some. Any game that can pull in a Billion or more dollars a year, year after year, is obviously doing a number of things right. You and I may not agree with their choices, but its obvious that millions and millions of players did, and do. Its only now, that we are more than seven years after WoW's launch, that they are starting to lose millions of players. It remains to be seen how this will turn out. The causual market VASTLY out numbers the "hard core" gamer market. Since one of the main objectives of this exercise is to make as good a ROI as possible, ignoring the causual market is a non starter. If Blizzard can even come close with Titan to WoW's success, they will have demonstrated that it was not a fluke. Given what has transpired in the last seven plus years (and may in the next two or so until Titans launch), I personally doubt they will be able to duplicate WoW's success. But as I said, that remains to be seen. |
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2/02/12 3:02:25 PM#195
Pardon any spelling errors |
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2/03/12 10:52:49 AM#196
First a question: why in this world of the internet can't we follow the basics in rational debate and discussion that we would in person, i.e. respect of the right to have an opinion that differs from ours? We aren't going to change minds- it's more to discuss opinions. The market will bear what it will, so vote with your dollars. If you don't like it, don't sub, and if you do... do? No need to talk down to those that do like it (or don't like it). If more people like it than not (and the direction) then it will take off. If not, it will tank. I'd rather concentrate on discussing what it doesn't have, and how to improve it.... that said... Originally posted by Deewe
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2/03/12 11:03:58 AM#197
I stopped wasting my time with this game along time ago, haha! And i´ve never looked back! It just lacks too many MMO elements that its beyond repair!
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2/03/12 6:00:09 PM#198
Originally posted by wraith808 Incentives for socialization = SWG Extended body customization: SWG, AoC 3 factions: DAOC All at launch. And, once again, never said any MMO implemented all of them but: none lacked all of them but TOR. |
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2/04/12 11:02:22 AM#199
True. Withcer 2 beats anything on the market. -) And SWTOR storyline is a joke even vs. previous KOTOR games. ... Uh - you just came to our little academy little padawan - go kill 20 of those and then we can talk.... <30 minutes later> you did well beating 20 of those with only the training sword - the force is strong with you! But there are more fo "those" - you have to kill all of them before we can teach you the jedi codex. <2 hour later> Master I have killed 1000 of "those". Good - now you can have your lightsaber. Go kill 15 of "those" with it. ))))) lol |
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2/04/12 11:07:18 AM#200
Oh, you killed all of them? Good, the force is strong with you! You are now a jedi master! We give you a ship now! Dont worry about pilot skills, you wont be flying it anyway! You want a speeder so you dont have to run everywhere on foot? Sorry, no can do, you must have a certification, perhaps you can come back at level 25 and we can giv you a speeder! LOL, what a crappy game!
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