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  Zecktorin

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Joined: 11/23/11
Posts: 235

2/01/12 6:00:31 PM#21
Originally posted by Deewe

What I would like to see is the numbers with the january drop.

 

I have a hard time trusting there are 1.7ish millions players. We went from full servers with long queues to almost all normal and around 5 heavy at peak time.

 

What I'm afraid of is the managers use these fake info not to fix the game and make it bleed even more.

WEll that is because they increased the sever pop cap. Some of it is because of pop drop but like I said they added new servers and increased pop caps.... so there isn't very much logic in your statement.

Plus not as many people are all playing at one time because their vacation is over and they have to go back to work or school. I actually think 1.7 is pretty close to what it is. If you look at WoW servers you will find its hard to beleive it has 10mil subs.

  Dren_Utogi

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2/01/12 6:12:07 PM#22

(RTTNews.com) - Video-game publisher Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) said Wednesday after the markets closed that its third quarter loss narrowed from last year, as revenue grew and expenses fell. The company's quarterly earnings per share, excluding items, also came in above analysts' expectations as did its quarterly revenue. However, the company forecast fourth quarter revenue and earnings below analysts' current consensus estimates.

The Redwood City, California-based company reported a GAAP net loss for the third quarter of $205 million or $0.62 per share, compared to a GAAP net loss of $322 million or $0.97 per share for the year-ago quarter.

Excluding the impact of the change in deferred revenue and other items, non-GAAP net income for the third quarter was $334 million or $0.99 per share, compared to $196 million or $0.59 per share in the prior year quarter.

Panic Mode.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  alexmino

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Joined: 11/15/11
Posts: 134

2/01/12 6:17:34 PM#23
Originally posted by 77lolmac77
But I thought this game peaked on Xfire?

because everyone uses Xfire right?

also, in before "how much did EA pay you to post this?" comments

Xfire said only 40 people were playing!

  Volgore

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2/01/12 6:41:10 PM#24

SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. 

Of course they are ACTIVE subscribers. You have to set up a subscription plan to enable your free 30 days in first place. Hence "active" means little in this context.

"The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already."

The majority  of 1.7mio can as well be like 850k, which is still impressive, but ranks around the number AOC had in it's first month. Still there could be 850k who had canceled, but their subs remain active a few more days.

I may be very well wrong about all this, but Mr. Eric Brown can as well be way off from the facts with his PR.

  Zefire

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Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 697

2/01/12 6:51:16 PM#25

Then why i coudn't see anyone on the servers and i felt like i was playing alone with my stupid companion.


As someone said buy to play in the next month


  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11296

2/01/12 6:52:35 PM#26

not bad news - will see how this looks in 2 months  (allowing for the 1st 3 months)


  NMStudio

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Joined: 11/28/11
Posts: 386

2/01/12 6:54:43 PM#27
Originally posted by Volgore

SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. 

Of course they are ACTIVE subscribers. You have to set up a subscription plan to enable your free 30 days in first place. Hence "active" means little in this context.

"The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already."

The majority  of 1.7mio can as well be like 850k, which is still impressive, but ranks around the number AOC had in it's first month. Still there could be 850k who had canceled, but their subs remain active a few more days.

I may be very well wrong about all this, but Mr. Eric Brown can as well be way off from the facts with his PR.

What you are accusing him of is not just "PR", it would be a felony for misleading investors.  I'm guessing you're wrong on this one.

  Volgore

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2/01/12 7:03:18 PM#28
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by Volgore

SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. 

Of course they are ACTIVE subscribers. You have to set up a subscription plan to enable your free 30 days in first place. Hence "active" means little in this context.

"The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already."

The majority  of 1.7mio can as well be like 850k, which is still impressive, but ranks around the number AOC had in it's first month. Still there could be 850k who had canceled, but their subs remain active a few more days.

I may be very well wrong about all this, but Mr. Eric Brown can as well be way off from the facts with his PR.

What you are accusing him of is not just "PR", it would be a felony for misleading investors.  I'm guessing you're wrong on this one.

The majority could theoretically be 850.002, which would leave 849998 canceled accounts. These numbers are probably far off, but my point was that talking about "active subs" and "majorities" in this regard says little about the state of subs. All we have is a number and and range of about +- 850k to make something out of it. I'm not saying he's is lying,he is just being very vague and may have a purpose.
We don't know what number is behind the majority of 1.7mio and in how many canceled accounts this results. To soon to cry doom, to soon to celebrate.

  Nadia

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2/01/12 7:07:34 PM#29
Originally posted by Volgore

We don't know what number is behind the majority of 1.7mio and in how many canceled accounts this results. To soon to cry doom, to soon to celebrate.

agree - not sure why they mentioned subs at all

game is only 5 weeks old, EA should only be talking about sales

  NMStudio

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Joined: 11/28/11
Posts: 386

2/01/12 7:07:52 PM#30
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by Volgore

SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. 

Of course they are ACTIVE subscribers. You have to set up a subscription plan to enable your free 30 days in first place. Hence "active" means little in this context.

"The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already."

The majority  of 1.7mio can as well be like 850k, which is still impressive, but ranks around the number AOC had in it's first month. Still there could be 850k who had canceled, but their subs remain active a few more days.

I may be very well wrong about all this, but Mr. Eric Brown can as well be way off from the facts with his PR.

What you are accusing him of is not just "PR", it would be a felony for misleading investors.  I'm guessing you're wrong on this one.

The majority could theoretically be 850.002, which would leave 849998 canceled accounts. These numbers are probably far off, but my point was that talking about "active subs" and "majorities" in this regard says little about the state of subs. All we have is a number and and range of about +- 850k to make something out of it. I'm not saying he's is lying,he is just being very vague and may have a purpose.
We don't know what number is behind the majority of 1.7mio and in how many canceled accounts this results. To soon to cry doom, to soon to celebrate.

Saying MOST of the 1.7 million are subbed is very different than saying "Barely more than half".  being vague with a purpose, and that purpose being to mislead investors, is still a felony.

  Volgore

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2/01/12 7:11:40 PM#31
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by Volgore

SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. 

Of course they are ACTIVE subscribers. You have to set up a subscription plan to enable your free 30 days in first place. Hence "active" means little in this context.

"The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already."

The majority  of 1.7mio can as well be like 850k, which is still impressive, but ranks around the number AOC had in it's first month. Still there could be 850k who had canceled, but their subs remain active a few more days.

I may be very well wrong about all this, but Mr. Eric Brown can as well be way off from the facts with his PR.

What you are accusing him of is not just "PR", it would be a felony for misleading investors.  I'm guessing you're wrong on this one.

The majority could theoretically be 850.002, which would leave 849998 canceled accounts. These numbers are probably far off, but my point was that talking about "active subs" and "majorities" in this regard says little about the state of subs. All we have is a number and and range of about +- 850k to make something out of it. I'm not saying he's is lying,he is just being very vague and may have a purpose.
We don't know what number is behind the majority of 1.7mio and in how many canceled accounts this results. To soon to cry doom, to soon to celebrate.

Saying MOST of the 1.7 million are subbed is very different than saying "Barely more than half".  being vague with a purpose, and that purpose being to mislead investors, is still a felony.

That's just my point. It's PR..so he wouldn't say "barely more than half".

He didn't say "most" either.

  k-damage

Novice Member

Joined: 12/27/11
Posts: 751

2/01/12 7:17:56 PM#32

This is a serious uppercut to all the "it will go F2P next month" guys.


And they can stay down.


***** Before hitting that reply button, please READ the WHOLE thread you're about to post in *****

  Sora2810

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Joined: 7/23/08
Posts: 566

2/01/12 7:27:37 PM#33

 

Originally posted by Beiloch

I already unsubscribed since finding groups at 50 is a ridiculous chore. No wonder they are working on PvP thats what people end up doing if they stick around since its INSANELY easier to get something actually going in PvP compred to PvE. Can queue up for warzones solo and wait around the PvP vendors. Meanwhile there isn't a SINGLE global chat to help with PvE grouping. Their LFG system is about 10+ years old.

Huh. That's a good point. TOR would mass a lot more numbers if they had updated systems.

List of outdated;

  • Graphics Engine
  • LFG system
  • Guild system
  • Character Customization system
  • Moddable armor system (On paper sounds good, but poorly executed in-game. Wardrobe would have worked better :\ )

Played - M59, EQOA, EQ, EQ2, PS, SWG[Favorite], DAoC, UO, RS, MXO, CoH/CoV, TR, FFXI, FoM, WoW, Eve, Rift, SWTOR, TSW.
Playing - PS2, AoW, GW2

  Acmegamer

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Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

2/01/12 7:29:53 PM#34
Originally posted by I_Return

(RTTNews.com) - Video-game publisher Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) said Wednesday after the markets closed that its third quarter loss narrowed from last year, as revenue grew and expenses fell. The company's quarterly earnings per share, excluding items, also came in above analysts' expectations as did its quarterly revenue. However, the company forecast fourth quarter revenue and earnings below analysts' current consensus estimates.

The Redwood City, California-based company reported a GAAP net loss for the third quarter of $205 million or $0.62 per share, compared to a GAAP net loss of $322 million or $0.97 per share for the year-ago quarter.

Excluding the impact of the change in deferred revenue and other items, non-GAAP net income for the third quarter was $334 million or $0.99 per share, compared to $196 million or $0.59 per share in the prior year quarter.

Panic Mode.

Exactly and thanks for pointing out that they are at a net loss of 205 million. That is a huge number  and one that should worry them. How many months will they have to operate with no loss of the current subscriber base to even break even. That number doesn't even account for normal monthly operations costs. Panic mode indeed.

 

  Jyiiga

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Joined: 3/03/10
Posts: 1008

2/01/12 7:31:20 PM#35

If they keep the content rolling in and they keep the advertising up it will maintain if not grow subscribers. They are on the right track.


  Fly666monkey

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Joined: 10/25/11
Posts: 135

2/01/12 7:44:23 PM#36

I won't trust these numbers until they can be confirmed by a thrid party. When a company releases information like this about themselves in such a public manner, you can garuntee it's a PR move.


  User Deleted
2/01/12 7:47:22 PM#37

People seem to keep skipping this point :


"Metrics on engagement: 1 million users log in per day staying in game for 4 hours per day"


Its fair to assume that a lot of casual players wouldnt log in every single day.


We get it, the worn-out MMO die hards left because theres nothing new or innovative, but considering the populations of the games that those people play, it probably wasnt even a dent to SWTOR's casual playerbase.


  SkillCosby

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2/01/12 7:48:37 PM#38

I seriously doubt this is true. lol.


This is like Chris Brown crying during Man in the Mirror. Best PR stunt in music history.


  Entropy14

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Joined: 2/14/10
Posts: 657

2/01/12 7:51:34 PM#39

Well considering every day 1 million people log on i would say thats pretty impressive.


 


Ya I think this game will  go F2P in 3 months , lawls


  slickbizzle

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2/01/12 7:52:47 PM#40
Originally posted by Fly666monkey

I won't trust these numbers until they can be confirmed by a thrid party. 

 

Don't worry. There are plenty of armchair analysts currently logging in to confirm that SW:TOR only has 7 subscribers.  They should be posting any moment.

 

 

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