Trending Games | Rift | ArcheAge | Firefall | Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,775,160 Users Online:0
Games:722  Posts:6,189,809
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » General: MMO Growing Pains

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
98 posts found
  SBFord

Associate Editor - News Manager

Joined: 6/28/10
Posts: 12987

 
OP  1/31/12 11:51:39 AM#1

One of the thing that many of us realize is that the MMO-genre is a bit stale. Why is that when, at least according to our latest No Elves Allowed column, "the sky should have been the limit"? Find out and then let us know what you think!

In No Elves Allowed's inaugural article, more than a few of you spoke out against the prevalence of, and I quote (Hello, xDayx!), 'face-rolling, questhub-hopping, dungeon-findering theme parks'. It's a disturbing trend. While there are definitely exceptions to the rule, it's hard to deny the fact that a majority of fantasy MMOs out there are little more than World of Warcraft with a different coat of paint.

Read more of Cassandra Khaw's No Elves Allowed: MMO Growing Pains.

Associate Editor: MMORPG.com
Follow me on Twitter: @MMORPGMom

  77lolmac77

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/14/11
Posts: 498

2/01/12 8:19:33 AM#2
I have a feeling Blizzard is going to change MMOs again when Titan comes out. Then every game will be a "Titan clone"
  theniffrig

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/18/07
Posts: 350

Ooh, they have the internet on computers now.

2/01/12 8:21:42 AM#3

I agree with the article. For me, your Fps examples like COD etc... hits the nail on the head. Fps gameplay/genre is essentially the same for every game of that type. Is that a bad thing? For me, not at all. The way those games play, be it u.i/controls etc has evolved to the point that it's the norm. It's like how cars have evolved to all having basic features.


For MMO's, WoW has defined what these basic features are & should be. Your toolbars/healthbars/map/controls(tab/wsad) that for me is what the standard MMO should have. When you think MMO, all the control/u.i features should be basically the same.


Is that a bad thing overall? Again, for me no. Controls etc.. does not equal gameplay. Gameplay can be very, very different. Sure the standard tools are the same for every FPS, but that doesn't mean the gameplay is the same. The real problem with MMO's at the moment is alot of companies are not only just trying to copy WoW's standard MMO features (like the u.i) but they are also trying to copy WoW's gameplay, and so bring nothing new or innovative to the genre. Infact, usually they even fail to just equal WoW.


So it's not the genre's standardized tools that are the problem, it's the developers trying to standardize gameplay that's the real problem.


  SkillCosby

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 8/23/08
Posts: 694

2/01/12 8:24:21 AM#4

The fantasy genre is still my favorite. Sci-fi, modern, futuristic, and post-apoc just doesn't do it for me.


At this point, I don't care if we have redundant elves and dwarves...I just want a virtual world instead of all this co'op hogwash.


  Rhaycen

Novice Member

Joined: 3/09/05
Posts: 24

2/01/12 8:38:08 AM#5

As long as the WoW type games have millions of subscribers while the non-standard games have maybe a couple hundrud thousand at best. I think WoW will be seen as the golden standard.


In the end it mostly comes down to economics, gaming companies need to convince investors that their game will make money. The WoW model has shown to be successful, and thus will be perpetuated quite a lot. Sometimes successfully, and often not so much.


As someone who has a busy job and often works 50-60 hours a week, the WoW model works extremely well for me. I can log into the game and start playing right away, because the game tells me exactly where to go and what to do. Do I miss the "old" days of MMO gaming when I ran for hours through dangerous expanses of land in the hope of discovering something new ... of course I do ... but back then I was still in school and had plenty of time to do those things.


So to all you kids who pile on the hate towards these standard model games, go play something you enjoy ... if games like WoW or SWTOR didn't exist I would likely be watching TV, and honestly I rather play games.... it has fewer commercials.


  Jowen

Novice Member

Joined: 11/30/05
Posts: 328

2/01/12 8:40:37 AM#6

Hi. I'm an EVE'r. Dunno what you're talking about.


  WhiteLantern

Novice Member

Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

2/01/12 8:46:14 AM#7

"First-person shooters are prime examples of this. Call of Duty. Battlefield. Counterstrike. DOOM. Stripped of their audio-visual finery and emptied of all their little details, they're all the same. Cut them open and you'll see Wolfenstein 3D written across the entrails."

If only they were more like Wolfenstien 3D. Gah! FPSs used to be the greatest thing EVAR!!!1!! Now the esport pvpers have ruined this once-great genre that I hold so dear. 5-hour "campaigns", DLC multi-player maps, rocket-jumping(?!)....BAH!  FPSs are dead to me, you hear me? Dead!

 

 

 

 

/thread derailed

 

 

 

 

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  BereKin

Novice Member

Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 285

2/01/12 9:00:07 AM#8

The truth is simple, mmo-genre has become "just business-nothing personal" point of view. To industry this is new cash machine and now every wannabe studio is putting mmo in hope to have piece of the cake. And with most of them you cant tell which is worse. There are exceptions, but sadly they are minority. This way cant go for much longer, people are fed up with situation as it is and  something has to be changed. Bring back the love and enthusiasm in making games.


  TruthXHurts

Novice Member

Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1640

I am here to chew bubblegum and to kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum!

2/01/12 9:12:25 AM#9

Stalker Online seems to have nailed it on their FPS MMO. It is what I've been hoping a developer would do with an MMO for a longtime.


"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16453

2/01/12 9:18:30 AM#10
Originally posted by 77lolmac77
I have a feeling Blizzard is going to change MMOs again when Titan comes out. Then every game will be a "Titan clone"

I am not so sure.

Past sucesses is not proof for future ones and Blizzard today is very different from the company that started on Wow in the late 90s.

I think it is easier for another company to change the genre than Blizz. Blizz players expect certain things from a Blizz MMO. Companies like Zenimax/Bethesda and Undead labs have a lot easier time to change the genre since they don´t have any MMO luggage but both have talented teams.

Since Blizzard merged with Activision thecompany have changed a lot, and frankly have innovative games never really been their speciallity. Wow was a polished up version of EQ. Strain who got the idea and started working on it played EQ, and Kaplan who took over got the job because he was in the same EQ raid guild as Morhaime.

In late 2004 we needed a polished version of already excisting games that offered more for regular players as well. Making something like that is what Blizzard do best. Creating something new from scratch on the other hand takes very different skills.

My bet is instead on Undead labs "Class 4". The game will more or less be it´s own genre when it launches and it have an very good team including the same lead designer that Wow had in the beginning. The mechanics it uses are very different from what other MMOs have. Also it isn´t funded by EA or Activision who never dared to really gamble but by Microsoft who so far never put a dime in the genre before.

I think Blizzards next large MMO will be "Wow 2", not "Titan". Blizz always loved sequals and Wow 2 will surely be released before 2020, mixing Wow with whatever style MMOs will have by then.

 

  Hrotha

Novice Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 840

2/01/12 9:21:31 AM#11

From my perspective - yes, MMOs are stagnated, somehow. Nothing new, over the last years copy and paste from developer to developer. No new trends. Blizzard should have brought TITAN 2years ago, instead of milking the content and the "sheep"ish-gamers.


The only REAL invention in the past 4 years was Age of Conan - new combat system. Besides that? Nothing. Which saddens me.


  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16453

2/01/12 9:21:35 AM#12
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

"First-person shooters are prime examples of this. Call of Duty. Battlefield. Counterstrike. DOOM. Stripped of their audio-visual finery and emptied of all their little details, they're all the same. Cut them open and you'll see Wolfenstein 3D written across the entrails."

If only they were more like Wolfenstien 3D. Gah! FPSs used to be the greatest thing EVAR!!!1!! Now the esport pvpers have ruined this once-great genre that I hold so dear. 5-hour "campaigns", DLC multi-player maps, rocket-jumping(?!)....BAH!  FPSs are dead to me, you hear me? Dead!

There have been really great multiplayer FPS games that isn´t E-sport later.

Natural selection to mention one, it was really great and NS2 is hopefully releasing soon.

Of course NS had no single player whatsoever, but it was a fresh breeze in a stale genre.

  User Deleted
2/01/12 9:27:58 AM#13

My personal opinion is that currently the biggest factor is... *drum roll* the investors.

 

Games like Ultima Online and EverQuest had tiny budgets... tiny development teams and were more or less locked away in a broom closet from the rest of the company.

 

Now we have huge budgets .. tons of micro management and the people fronting the money want a return.  (these would be stock holders... since most companies don't have 100+ Million laying around to build a game with).

 

So when EQ did better than UO the EQ model became the norm.   A bunch of games with that core release and eventually WoW comes out... no suprise that WoW became the "norm"... yet it really is just EQ 2.0... because the foundation is built on the EQ model/core. 

 

Now a bunch of games that didn't do very well are going F2P and reporting success.   So obviously the F2P thing is going to grow and turn into epic fail for a few companies because the entire premise is flawed (my opinion).

 

After that happens... if companies continue to make MMO... you might actually start to see some diversity.   Tho personally I may be old enough by then ... that I can log into the same game the next day and think its a new game anyway.

 

The sky should have been the limit with MMO's for sure.   All the freedom that a game like UO offered... well there were things that needed to be "fixed" in that game... but not redesigned.   Beyond a few things MMO's should have followed a path of... more .. more ... more.

 

Instead its a path of less.. less ... less and let's take away what you have... then introduce a new system you can grind through to end up almost having back what we took.   The "almost" being the key factor of that equation.

 

Oh and just as bad as the points made in the article... how about one of these days a company actually enforces its Terms of Service and End User License Agreement?   I'm sick of the... exploiting and totally screwing a servers economy gets a warning or short term ban crap.   Yet if I was to simply to say "you give me cash I give you shinies" .. I'd get a perma ban.. because my spam has a far more negative effect on the game than the exploit user... seriously...  Considering most of these companies end up using some form of RMT anyway.

 

Sorry not trying to derail or anything.. its just one of the parts of MMO's that really irritates me.

 

*edit* various fixes to my lack of english comprehension at the moment.

  fenistil

Novice Member

Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

2/01/12 9:33:10 AM#14

Linear solo experience + grinding instances as practically only thing to do - that what make genre stale.


  Kaneth

Elite Member

Joined: 8/19/07
Posts: 1545

2/01/12 9:57:04 AM#15

Well, we are in a similar position today, as we were in 2004. Up until WoW, there weren't many polished MMO's. EQ was the big dog, with AC available to those who preferred more solo play and a more sandbox experience. DAoC was popular and had a PvP focused end game. UO was still going strong and was a very different animal than the other mmos. Everything else was pretty niche, or was downright buggy as hell.

When WoW released, it was a very different game, but it had enough similarities. There really wasn't a full questing experience available before, at least not on the scale of WoW. There wasn't any mob grinding, or forced grouping, with the exception of some quests and of course dungeons. While the classes weren't perfect, each one could solo well enough while questing, and no one was really dependent on someone else to have fun. Although, grouping for elite quests and dungeons was very fun back then.

WoW was both a boon and a curse. WoW showed what time and money can offer, but we've pretty much only had quest hub style mmos launch since. Sure, EVE has always been in the background, but let's face it, outside of specific communities, many have no idea what EVE is.

As of the current state of mmos, yes they are stale. I have to agree with some of the other posters who stated that investors are the problem. Those with the money control a lot, and it's going to be extremely hard for an indie to bust into the mmo scene at this point.

I truly feel like the entire genre is standing on the edge of a cliff. It's either going to leap off and fly, or it's going to leap and fall to it's death. As it stands, unless someone can come in and make some fairly innovative changes, and show a lot of success, we'll be stuck with the same mmos for some time.

Here's hoping that GW2, TSW, and/or ArchAge are different enough, and successful enough to have a real impact. If not, we'll probably have to wait to see what Titan is, but who knows if lightning will strike twice for Blizzard.

  Vindicta

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/05/03
Posts: 100

2/01/12 10:03:06 AM#16

Remember that innovation and change may not always lead to success. Consider New Coke. Many people may like the "traditional flavor" of MMOs. I think that's why a lot of experiments (Seed comes to mind) fail.


  Wraithone

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3563

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

2/01/12 10:11:37 AM#17

Forever is a long, LONG time... But any game that is able to bank a Billion dollars a year, year after year, is bound to attract the attention of the investors and those who make most of these games possible in the first place.  WoW appears to be in decline at this point, but only time will tell if Blizzard can duplicate their sucess with Titan.

If they can even come close, I doubt any of us will live to see the end of the Blizzard dynasty. ^^  As far as different game types go, as middle ware and various technologies advance, it will not require tens of millions of (other peoples) money to make these games.  That will open up the market to smaller groups, willing to take the risks involved in trying new approaches. 

  InFaVilla

Novice Member

Joined: 7/27/10
Posts: 603

2/01/12 10:11:48 AM#18
Originally posted by Vindicta

Remember that innovation and change may not always lead to success. Consider New Coke. Many people may like the "traditional flavor" of MMOs. I think that's why a lot of experiments (Seed comes to mind) fail.

Imagine that the soda market was only composed of coke-like beverages and no other kind except some obscure home-made ones. In other words: a world of basically only Coke XXL, Coke Superb, Star Wars Coke, etc.  Wouldn't you want the market to show a bit more diversity? Maybe a Fanta and Sprite?

  PyrateLV

Tipster

Joined: 11/07/08
Posts: 1118

2/01/12 10:18:09 AM#19
Originally posted by Vindicta

Remember that innovation and change may not always lead to success. Consider New Coke. Many people may like the "traditional flavor" of MMOs. I think that's why a lot of experiments (Seed comes to mind) fail.

Ah, but the failure of New Coke was that it was trying to be more like Pepsi.

Sweeter for the Younger Palate

 

Much in the same way all these other Themepark MMOs have been copying WoWs formula

They arent trying to compete by being different, they are trying to compete by being the same.

Dumbest plan EVER!

 

Classic Coke works because it ISNT like Pepsi. Mountain Dew works because it is completely different that all the others.

Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)

  Aceundor

Novice Member

Joined: 2/08/06
Posts: 494

Why do I keep reading these forums?

2/01/12 10:18:10 AM#20

I think WOWs problem is simply that it is getting old. There are now hundreds of games that are so called "wow clones" These are constantly nibbling at WOW and reduicing the playerbase. WOW wil slowly dissapear and the MMO industry will re-invent itself. 


One should also mention that the run towards endgame is probaly a bigger problem in the industry than elves. 


One should maybe look at TSW it has no leveling (everyone starts at endgame) and it has no elves...


Originally posted by BishopB:

Are a lot of the trolls just angry kids with old gaming hardware?

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search