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General Discussion  » Why didn't they go for a third faction?

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  Lidane

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1/31/12 8:18:08 AM#41
Originally posted by blondeh

because there wasnt one in the movies....

It was all about good vs evil. Empire vs the Republic (rebelion). 

/thread

  dreamsofwar

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1/31/12 8:22:38 AM#42
Originally posted by Lidane
Originally posted by blondeh

because there wasnt one in the movies....

It was all about good vs evil. Empire vs the Republic (rebelion). 

/thread

Empire at War ended a third faction which was criminals like the Hutts, crime syndicate etc, they could have done that, especially seeing as in the KOTOR games theres a large galactic crime organisation called 'the Exchange'.

  lizardbones

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1/31/12 8:59:07 AM#43


Originally posted by Lidane


Originally posted by blondeh
because there wasnt one in the movies....
It was all about good vs evil. Empire vs the Republic (rebelion). 


/thread



I was wrong earlier. Both Han Solo and Boba Fett worked for the Hutts in the first movie. It wasn't until later that Han joined the Republic. The bounty hunters never joined the Empire, they were hired by the Empire as extras to stand on the bridge. There are instances of Bounty Hunters working for the Republic in the SW literature.

It's not against the lore or any of the literature. Some of the lore and literature supports the idea of a third, neutral faction, so long as that faction is a criminal faction.

** edit **
Here's why they didn't do it. The way they did it neatly fit two classes per starter world. They couldn't start Troopers and Imp Agents on the same world so those two classes would have been alone on their starter worlds. If the Imp Agents still started on Hutta with the BH and Smugglers, the Troopers would have been alone on their starter worlds.

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  Anubisan

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1/31/12 9:55:47 AM#44

They didn't go for a third faction because this is Star Wars and it has always been about the good guys & Jedi vs. the bad guys & Sith. I'm sure they also didn't go for it because they are emulating WoW in many ways... which had only two factions.

I do think that 3 factions would have been cool though. Like if they made smugglers and bounty hunters part of a mercenary faction who could work for either Republic or Empire. That would be cool... and would potentially help some of the population imbalance in my opinion.

  Yamota

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OP  1/31/12 10:05:43 AM#45
Originally posted by Charas

3 factions doesn't fit the lore. Everything is bipolar in the Star Wars universe, all about the struggle between good and evil, dark and light side of the force, empire and republic.

Strictly for RvR  functionality, yeah it would have been nicer to have 3 factions instead of 2 but in a SW game, where everyone is so attached to the lore (both franchise owners and fanbase), I never see that happening.

I dont agree. Han Solo was originally completely indifferent about the conflict and Boba Fett and the Hutts didn't seem to care about Dark Vs Light either so a third neutral faction would definetely make some sense.

  Voracity2325

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1/31/12 10:14:32 AM#46

A mercenary faction, per se. Not really a faction but a neutral group for smugglers, bounty hunters, (lets take the imperial out of) agents, and troopers. Let them complete a quest to determine what faction they are and then if they want to switch they have to pay "reparation fees" to the other faction for "the pain and suffering"

For most people, character development and personal story ends upon clicking "Log in" if not "Start Game"

  lizardbones

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1/31/12 12:21:37 PM#47


Originally posted by Voracity2325
A mercenary faction, per se. Not really a faction but a neutral group for smugglers, bounty hunters, (lets take the imperial out of) agents, and troopers. Let them complete a quest to determine what faction they are and then if they want to switch they have to pay "reparation fees" to the other faction for "the pain and suffering"



They could have gone with 3 classes per faction. The Empire and Republic factions would each consist of mirrored Warrior, Mystic and Trooper classes, while the third, criminal or mercenary faction would consist of Smugglers, Bounty Hunters and Agents. The trooper classes could each start on a trooper world, but very early in the process get shuttled to the Jedi world, after which they would transfer to the stations at level 10 or so. The third faction people would stay on Hutta until level 10.

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  godzilr1

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1/31/12 12:23:42 PM#48

with as much as everyone pisses and whines about PVP and the almighty word "balance" i cant blame them for not doing it.

  orgash

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1/31/12 12:30:18 PM#49
Originally posted by stayontarget

I thought it would have been better if there was no factions at first and everyone started out neutral, and your actions and choices in the game determined if you went light side, dark side, or neutral gray.  So in the end there would have been 3 factions.

 

I really wish every game has this approach although a light side sith sorceror might not work so well but then i guess you could not start as a lvl1 sith sorc and instead know by the time you reach a certain level if you wanted to be one you would be choosing to join the ranks of the dark.

Planetside and DaoC and UO showed multiple factions works extremely well and it is crazy to try and stick with the good vs bad formula

  Onomas

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1/31/12 12:32:25 PM#50
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Charas

3 factions doesn't fit the lore. Everything is bipolar in the Star Wars universe, all about the struggle between good and evil, dark and light side of the force, empire and republic.

Strictly for RvR  functionality, yeah it would have been nicer to have 3 factions instead of 2 but in a SW game, where everyone is so attached to the lore (both franchise owners and fanbase), I never see that happening.

I dont agree. Han Solo was originally completely indifferent about the conflict and Boba Fett and the Hutts didn't seem to care about Dark Vs Light either so a third neutral faction would definetely make some sense.

You guys do realise in Star Wars there are over 40 governments, factions, councils, confederations, states, dynasties, empires, and other political groupings?

Limiting this to 2 just another way SWTOR the claimed epic mmo has been limited.

  alkarionlog

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1/31/12 12:36:17 PM#51
Originally posted by Sagasaint

1) because it costs more money

2) because it takes more development time

3) and most important, because WoW only has 2 factions, and they have been trying to clone WoW. a shame they forgot to clone Blizzard's polish, quality and care in all they do.

 

I fail to see any polish, quality and care in wow, please explain

FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.

  Dredphyre

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1/31/12 1:00:48 PM#52
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Pelaaja
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Dredphyre
Originally posted by Starpower
just as they like rooting for them in movies. 

Since when to people root for the bad guys in movies? Hardly ever.  

Of course they do. That's one of the main reasons why Friday the thirteen and the Freddy movies became so popular not to mention TV Shows like Dexter

 

You could do with a little social awareness

But grandpa, that was 20 years ago. And what is a TV?

Not to mention the popularity of the GTA franchise. I could go on and on. Hell it's even widely publisized about the popularity of the antihero in modern times.

I'm  likely more 'socially aware' than you, short bus, so GFY.  If you had any clue regarding drama, you'd realize there's a difference between bad guy/antagonist and an anti-hero.  The Dark Knight is an anti-hero.

And if you're reading comprehension was up to snuff, you would have noticed the two words I typed out: Hardly ever.  Didn't say never.  On top of that, people aren't rooting for Freddy to win.  Because guess what, if he did, there'd be no franchise, there would be no story.

Do some people have sick fantasies about being these antagonist? Sure. But let's not confuse that with the arc of drama, and how antagonists work in fiction. The vast majority of people root for the protagonist, be they good guy or anti-hero.

  Zekiah

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1/31/12 1:02:46 PM#53

Because they ignore the MMO gaming community just like the other companies do.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

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