Originally posted by lalartu

both of you guys keep saying that it's Star Wars, but in reality, it doesn't feel like Star Wars at all.

It has light sabers and the special abilities are referred to as "force", but that's where it ends.

None of the loveable Star Wars characters/features/humour is in this title. 

It's an empty shell with light sabers and very strict instructions on how it's meant to be played. Veer off the course and get punished by the ever-present banhammer.

We should just refer to this as Light Sabers Online instead as I think this title has definitely put all those other great Star Wars games to shame

 

I agree on everything you say, except the last part? "other great star wars games"?? In this day and age, the shit of star wars now wastly outweighs the good parts.

Only hardcore Star Wars fans are can be in so much denial to still think that the 100 games  released within the last ten years, were any good.

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The only thing that companions do that is innovative is take the work out of crafting, next up, companions that play the game for you.

LOL! Best. Comment. Ever.

:)

 

 

That guy almost sounds like he enjoys sitting in front of a forge, staring at a percentage bar going from 0% to 100% for 27 times in a row before he can continue playing the game. There are some of us who enjoys playing the game for the whole time logged in, that's why this is the first mmorpg where I actually keep my crafting skills up to date.

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Because all MMO crafting is clicking "craft" and waiting for the progress bar.

Apparently you've never played EQ2, Vanguard, SWG, or UO.

There use to be a time when crafting actually meant something, and took dedication and skill to do well at, and of course the reward was actually creating useful things. These days crafting is a side-show mechanic that everyone and their mother is expected to pick up and muddle their way through with little effort.

 

But we are not talking about EQ2, Vanguard, SWG or UO. We are talking about TOR and the crafting it has, and IMO the companion approach works very well within that system.

That may be true but I still prefer crafting that takes some degree of skill instead of click and wait.

Different people like different things, I dont mind complex and time consuming crafting, I would actually be happy that "the crafters" would then get their own sub-game, I just personally would not touch that since I dont like such.

Here's hoping for a mmorpg where you can do "standard" stuff with light crafting, and amazing and epic stuff with complex and time consuming crafting, I'd be fine with that as long as I can make my own standard medpacks and stims with the light version.

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I gave it an 8/10 after only 5 days playing

 

This is what's wrong with people giving opinions about games when they've hardly played them. If reviewers held off for about a month and then gave a review of the game they might give a more informed opinion that will better help sway the views of their readers.

The article was probably misleading in its title. It probably should have been called "First Impressions Review Roundtable" so as not to confuse it with Mike Bitton's official MMORPG.com review posted later. My 8/10 was definitely a 1st impressions review score.

ok, so what would you score it at NOW?

 

OK before I tell you what I would score it as now, I want to remind you that this is MY score only, my PERSONAL score, not the score for MMORPG.com. Obviously, a lot of my co-workers will disagree with me which is cool and what makes working here so much fun.

OK.

I would give SWTOR a 6.5 as it stands today for many of the reasons I mentioned above. I say that with the caveat that that score will undoubtedly rise as the game matures and as more patches are applied. SWTOR has a boatload of potential. I hope that potential can be realized.

 

This is one of the reasons that this site can be so frustrating.  You guys always seem to want to have your cake and eat it to.

You release an official review giving the game a certain score and then to maintain your street cred you have a bunch of other articles that qualify that score, or modify that score, or say, "Well if it would've been me the score would've been ________" with everyone playing their part to keep all the readers happy with at least a certain portion of the writers/reviewers

And this article is no different.  Neither side is really passionately arguing their point.  The only innovative thing that the game has introduced is story quests and I feel great/lukewarm on that... Two paragraphs later, "The companion system is actually one of the better systems that Bioware brought into the genre"  So which is it?  No innovation?  Or did they actually innovate (expand on) a system that you actually enjoy?

And I'm sorry, but when someone says that space combat being on rails is, "Game Breaking" I have to wonder if they are just choosing "gamer words" out of a hat.  That is game breaking like not having voice over would be gamebreaking.  Which is to say, it's not.  It's a design choice.  You might not like, you might think it's the wrong choice (and I wouldn't disagree) but game breaking it is not.

the part of the article admitting openly that the MMO genre is not about MMO anymore, is shocking.

Originally posted by Aeolron
Not every mmo had a lfg tool in place at launch!

There are so many people who really do not know what a rpg is, you want to skip ahead of quests and just get to the action, then there's fps for that. The element in a rpg is story plain and simple. Swtor is a fantastic mmorpg ( I say mmorpg because the raids are alot of fun and hard mode flashpoints require groups ) I never knew single player RPGs to have raid groups, player guilds and of course pvp.

Mmos that charged a monthly fee do so to fund development costs of the game further down the road, which means more content and further expansions onto the game world.

This is a game meant for people who enjoy the true rpg element IE story , and sorry to say this but the wow community or people who simply don't enjoy RPGs will not enjoy swtor , and that ladies and gentlemen is why we have topics like these all over this site.

OMG another "mmo's had no feature like that 23213213 years ago" post. Jeeeeeeeeez its 2012 and u still gonna bring stuff that was happening in the last century. "MMO"s had no feature "X" 10 years ago and noone was upset about it". OMFG. ITS 2012, it's an era past that times. If u compare everything to what was there x years ago ur a caveman....

Not only is the room architecture repeated a lot, the NPC faces are repeated way too much.  I have seen the same quest giver's look on many differetn people handing out a quest.  Look at the Esseles flashpoint once you get with that genral that makes the distractions.  The other cadets with him have one of three faces it seems, one run all four looked like they were identical twins (yeah yeah, but clones are later!!)

Suzie is right. For 200m$ BW made best, best, bestest singlepalyer mmo in the world. I think they deserve some kind of a reward for doing it. Like ... I dunno... 2011-new-genre-mmo award? Because imho it is a new genre. Let's adapt it to common language! S for single P for player MMO.. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN new online gaming genre has arrived! SPMMO!!!! AND btw, I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!

EDIT: or make it B2P. I am used to pay for singleplayer this way.

"I'm putting it out there: Player versus Player sucks in most games. But not this one."

 

Wow, really, REALLY? MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man, thanks for the laugh!!!!!

You weren't serious, right?

I mean really man?????

SWTOR PVP is terrible, even worse than WOW's. World PVP is a joke, and is next to non-existant, and there are no world PVP rewards (except for really, really rare crate spawns. Mercenary commendations what?). Ilum is the worst PVP designated area in the history of MMO's, and it simply rewards the team with the biggest zerg - and crate clicking? REALLY? Not to mention the objectives... that you can cap in >30 seconds by clicking 3 mechs... lmao

PVP in SWTOR is nothing but a shoebox, instanced, minigame grind for gear. Yup, that's right, grind 3 minigames from 10-49 for PVP gear and comm's (so much for massively multiplayer right?). Then at 50, get stomped by endgame geared players. Then you are forced to grind those same 3 minigame for endgame PVP gear so you don't get stomped, and can then stomped undergeared players. Oh, and have fun with the fabulous RNG box system... grind wz, get comm's, hope the RNG is kind -rinse + repeat- times infinitum. Yipee!!!!!

You also mention hutball as being good? Haha. With the endless CC spam in the game that wz is terrible. You spend most of your time getting pulled, pushed, stunned rooted, choked, knocked back, knocked up, knocked sideways, slowed, spun... yeah, that's definitely great PVP alright! You know the best way to remove player skill from the equation? Add so much CC that the player is nothing but a spectator. In addition, stunball favors certain classes much more than others... i.e. force speed, jump, pull etc. *yawn*.

PVP in SWTOR is terrible, it's nothing but gear > skill, and a forced minigame grind. Yay!!

But as you think that PVP in most games sucks, it's pretty clear that you aren't in a position to be talking about the PVP topic at all. Let me guess, the only 'PVP' (i use that term loosely) MMO's you've played are WOW, WAR and SWTOR?

Really dude?????

Originally posted by moosecatlol

 

 

The only thing that companions do that is innovative is take the work out of crafting, next up, companions that play the game for you.

 

Well, I leveled whilst sexing my companion last night. First time I've seen any MMO offer the option to romance your Companion and get xp for it.  And honestly, I thought that was an excellent contrast to the usual game mechanics of xp for killing stuff.

Originally posted by mrputts

I hear alot about the fact that it is not star wars... And they are right.

 

 

 

First of all, it is FAR from a 'fact'.  This game feels more like Star Wars than SWG ever did, and is on par with the excellent KOTOR series. So yeah, this IS Star Wars.

Originally posted by Dredphyre

Originally posted by mrputts

I hear alot about the fact that it is not star wars... And they are right.

 

 

 

First of all, it is FAR from a 'fact'.  This game feels more like Star Wars than SWG ever did, and is on par with the excellent KOTOR series. So yeah, this IS Star Wars.

Hmm, so how does the space on rails or the stationary, in limbo "fighting" NPCs fit into Star Wars?

I love waffles also.

But, more than waffles, I love honest reviews that don't feel like there's been any compromise involved, either journalistically or monetarily.

300$ million kinda makes you expect innovation... I think the release of WoW was like 35$ million...

Hate both though as they are themeparks and im a old timer!

Despite TOR telling you where to go, you still listen to the Mission because its immersive. Interesting enough the mission boxes...I have not read a single one...I have however listened to every mission. Why? Because I assume if someone has gone to the trouble to add a voice to it. It must be important.

The voice acting works. Every MMO is a single player when questing...This is a truth we need to start admitting to ourselves...

Hmmm maybe I was expecting something else from the title.....  After reading it my feeling is MMORPG.com should have had a contest or selected members from the boards here to be good cop, bad cop I think it would have been far more entertaining/amusing  :) 

Good cop was rather weak what "I read" was its talking star wars /drool and the bad cop while slighly better did not give the knock out punches needed.  Come on SB you can hit a lot harder than that!  Think they both need to watch some movies/tv shows with good cop, bad cop.
 

I want a rematch!  This one ended in a boring tie.

The game feels like WoW, but extremely more confining and single-player-like, while my sword was replaced with a flashlight.

"SWTOR: no one seems to be able to agree on what’s good and what’s lacking in BioWare’s first MMORPG."

Not sure, I'd say pretty much everyone agrees on:

1. Textures are bad, especially due to the lack of high textures
2. In game shadows are even worse.
3. Playing wookies or others non "colorized" human is lacking
4. Character body customization is poor
5. End tier and PvP gear looks really bad, sometime even silly
6. The game lacks appearance tab and gear dyes
7. Jedi Story is B O R I N G
8. Dark choices are too often about greed and $$$, Yeah my Sith loves money.
9. Side quests totally lack any replayability factor as you don't have the choice at all, just go kill and come back for your candy.
10. The world feels like a graveyard, it's lacking critters, NPC AI and why not day/night cycles
11. Travel time sinks and loading screens are tedious
12. Crafting is unappealing but for maybe Biochem and Cybertech
13. The space tunnel isn't even as good as Starfox and just slightly better than CWA
14. Housing is... ok it's better than Wow
15. You only have one weapon choice per Advanced Class... it's a choice right?
16. Talents trees are a miss, again lacking
17. Wolrd PvP does not exists in this game.
18. Huttball is making all saber wielders proud to wear glowing bats, so much for feeling an heroic force user
19. The UI is really well.. is there a UI?
20. There's no LFG/DM nor even Guild banks

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Originally posted by lalartu

 

None of the loveable Star Wars characters/features/humour is in this title. 

 

OMG what ?  You actually get to meet Revan in this game.

You totally get the feeling it's Star Wars.